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  1. dararede's Avatar
    Nikolai Nikiforov, Russias Minister of Communications and Mass Media of the Russian Federation has tweeted something really interesting!
    "Will give grants to developers who will move their applications from Android and iOS monopoly in independent Tizen and Sailfish"
    More:
    Russia to Help Developers to Port Their Apps to Sailfish OS and Tizen from Android and iOS | Jolla Users Blog

    Hopefully BB10 is also included or maybe not?
    MrDoreth and Umaima_B_Dia like this.
    02-07-15 02:16 PM
  2. thurask's Avatar
    Hopefully BB10 is also included or maybe not?
    Russia? Doubt it.
    02-07-15 07:29 PM
  3. ADGrant's Avatar
    Nikolai Nikiforov, Russias Minister of Communications and Mass Media of the Russian Federation has tweeted something really interesting!
    "Will give grants to developers who will move their applications from Android and iOS monopoly in independent Tizen and Sailfish"
    More:
    Russia to Help Developers to Port Their Apps to Sailfish OS and Tizen from Android and iOS | Jolla Users Blog

    Hopefully BB10 is also included or maybe not?
    App neutrality is clearly not compatible with the free market, that must be why the Russians are supporting it. Perhaps Communist China will be next.
    anon1727506 likes this.
    02-08-15 01:19 PM
  4. birdman_38's Avatar
    "Will give grants to developers who will move their applications from Android and iOS monopoly..."
    Wouldn't that be a duopoly??
    Cynycl, diegonei and eldricho like this.
    02-08-15 03:26 PM
  5. maclaskey's Avatar
    Pisses me off when people talk about app neutrality. What about free markets? This is the most ignorant thing I've heard from Chen. Besides that he rocks..... stop with the overreaching of the State BS.

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    02-08-15 06:17 PM
  6. Cynycl's Avatar
    Wouldn't that be a duopoly??
    Whose counting?
    app_Developer likes this.
    02-09-15 12:49 PM
  7. birdman_38's Avatar
    Whose counting?
    Certainly not the Russians! :P
    Cynycl likes this.
    02-09-15 01:12 PM
  8. Cynycl's Avatar
    In Russia you don't get app neutrality...................app neutrality GETS YOU!
    TGR1 and eldricho like this.
    02-09-15 01:24 PM
  9. notafanofyou's Avatar
    App neutrality is the way to go but dinosaurs like apple can't innovative and will spend lots of money to brainwash the weak minded into hating free and open markets

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    02-09-15 01:32 PM
  10. Glenn Biddle's Avatar
    Pisses me off when people talk about app neutrality. What about free markets? This is the most ignorant thing I've heard from Chen. Besides that he rocks..... stop with the overreaching of the State BS.

    Posted via CB10
    It's not exactly free market when have a couple of large companies using their financial might to block out the competition. Some times socialism is more moral than corporate greed.

    Posted via CB10
    02-09-15 01:38 PM
  11. JeepBB's Avatar
    It's not exactly free market when have a couple of large companies using their financial might to block out the competition. Some times socialism is more moral than corporate greed.
    Actually, a free market is precisely what it is.

    Not too long ago it was Microsoft and BlackBerry "using their financial might to block out the competition" - the competition at the time being those feisty upstarts Apple and Google Android. Much good it did them to try and buck the free market, but I didn't see too much angst railing against the operation of the free market on these forums then.

    Don't worry though. The wheel will one day turn and a different feisty upstart will provide a product that the free market wants to buy... and supplant one or both the current duopoly.
    marty314, Eumaeus, TGR1 and 7 others like this.
    02-09-15 01:55 PM
  12. AnimalPak200's Avatar
    Actually, a free market is precisely what it is.

    Not too long ago it was Microsoft and BlackBerry "using their financial might to block out the competition" - the competition at the time being those feisty upstarts Apple and Google Android. Much good it did them to try and buck the free market, but I didn't see too much angst railing against the operation of the free market on these forums then.

    Don't worry though. The wheel will one day turn and a different feisty upstart will provide a product that the free market wants to buy... and supplant one or both the current duopoly.
    Nah, we're just all going to have standard-issue Mother Russia phones.

    Posted via CB10
    02-09-15 02:16 PM
  13. asherN's Avatar
    Wouldn't that be a duopoly??
    Yes, but it's in Russia. Like the Rouble, it's been devalued to a monopoly.
    app_Developer and TGR1 like this.
    02-09-15 02:30 PM
  14. MmmHmm's Avatar
    It's not exactly free market when have a couple of large companies using their financial might to block out the competition. Some times socialism is more moral than corporate greed.

    Posted via CB10
    Microsoft has significant financial might too but it is losing to Google and Apple in the mobile OS battle. BlackBerry is also a multi-billion dollar corporation. Google and Apple aren't winning simply because they have a lot of money. Consumers just by and large aren't interested in alternative OS's. This kind of natural consolidation of OS's seems to be an organic result of market forces. The same thing happened with desktop OS's. Not many people at this point could name alternative desktop OS's other than Windows, Mac, and Linux, nor would many people be interested in trying an alternative desktop OS. People generally seem content with choosing one of the few major competitors and getting on with their life. There is no real outcry for more choice in this market, except from some BlackBerry users who refuse to consider other brands. As long as the existing competition continues to compete and not conspire with one another, there really aren't anti-competition issues. Marketshare is pretty well split in the developed nations - although Android seems to be winning in raw numbers. There doesn't need to be 100 different competitors for capitalism to work, and I think too many competitors in this market would actually make choice for average consumers more difficult.
    Eumaeus, Cynycl and ADGrant like this.
    02-10-15 07:02 AM
  15. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    App neutrality is clearly not compatible with the free market, that must be why the Russians are supporting it. Perhaps Communist China will be next.
    That doesn't even make sense. How is having a bounty to port apps over not compatible with a free market? Is it just because the government is doing it? You do realize that Russia and the US both have mixed economies? No pure capitalism or pure socialism today. This action would actually help support a more diverse market. There is no such thing as a pure free market, as you always need rules and regulations, and sometimes intervention.
    02-11-15 12:59 PM
  16. filanto's Avatar
    It's not exactly free market when have a couple of large companies using their financial might to block out the competition. Some times socialism is more moral than corporate greed.

    Posted via CB10
    Yeah we need a great leap forward in social education.

    I am what I am, and that's all that I am.
    02-11-15 01:07 PM
  17. ADGrant's Avatar
    That doesn't even make sense. How is having a bounty to port apps over not compatible with a free market? Is it just because the government is doing it? You do realize that Russia and the US both have mixed economies? No pure capitalism or pure socialism today. This action would actually help support a more diverse market. There is no such thing as a pure free market, as you always need rules and regulations, and sometimes intervention.
    Russia has as much of a free market as Putin will allow. The idea of Russia promoting free markets is as ridiculous as the idea that they are harboring Snowden because they are champions of personal freedoms and privacy.

    Chen's letter to congress is equally ridiculous of course.
    Cynycl and JeepBB like this.
    02-11-15 05:58 PM
  18. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Consumers just by and large aren't interested in alternative OS's. This kind of natural consolidation of OS's seems to be an organic result of market forces. The same thing happened with desktop OS's.
    And for the same reason: the ecosystem of apps, supporting hardware, and services.

    Windows was the big player because it had the most developer support, the biggest pool of hardware, and the most 3rd-party services. Mac was second, with much less of all of the above, but enough for a small (but wealthy) percentage of the market to want. Linux is the first of many "3rd" OSs that finally stuck around for any length of time, but that's because it is free and has a bunch of free apps, and because things matured enough that many services available to Windows and Macs would work with Linux too. It's still a distant third, though.

    Developers and investors are only willing to support a small number of platforms, because, running the numbers, it quickly becomes clear that supporting the smaller ones will only lose you money. Despite a number of developers trying to explain how it works, many people still don't realize how much development costs, especially for a company that has to pay developers by the hour, with benefits, etc., for every thing they want to develop, and support personnel for every version they want to support. Those costs add up quick, and it isn't over once the app is published - at that point, the costs have just begun.

    Mike and Jim went into BB10 believing that they could, at the very least, be the "#3" platform, and that was critical, because the market is barely willing to support 3 platforms. There were lots of discussions about that back in 2007 around the launch of the iPhone, when Android hadn't even been released and its future was far from certain. Even then, it was understood that if you weren't #1 or #2, you weren't going to be making much money, and if you weren't at least #3, your platform was essentially doomed due to the lack of developer support. Unfortunately, BB couldn't hold on to #3, and even #3 (Microsoft) is having a very difficult time. The difference is that MS has a huge pile of cash to burn and, with Win 10, finally has an integrated platform that might actually get them some traction.

    BB, on the other hand, continues to see their world shrink when the market they are in continues to grow. That's very, very bad.
    ADGrant, mornhavon, Cynycl and 3 others like this.
    02-11-15 10:40 PM
  19. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Russia has as much of a free market as Putin will allow. The idea of Russia promoting free markets is as ridiculous as the idea that they are harboring Snowden because they are champions of personal freedoms and privacy.

    Chen's letter to congress is equally ridiculous of course.
    There is no truly free market, and Russia isn't that dissimilar to the US. That's my point. Snowden is an interesting thing to bring up. The US is supposed to be the champions of personal freedom and privacy, yet it obviously isn't as advertised. How does that support the "free market" idea of the US?

    I really don't understand what the problem is with Russia encouraging development (with money) on smaller platforms.

    Chen's letter has been beaten to death in the other thread. Your interpretation and outrage toward that interpretation is noted.
    02-12-15 01:00 PM
  20. bb10_fan's Avatar
    Gosh, now even CrackBerry forums turning into battle area Russia vs Western world. Can we keep these forums free of crappy politics and discuss technological part of the news?

    about the topic of this thread... Why did Russia decided that Sailfish and especially Tizen OSs are more independent? Tizen developed mostly my Intel and Samsung and they will decide it's future (yes yes, there is a consortium, I know). Why not just fork Android and start from there, tons of apps, tons of smartphone producers...
    02-12-15 01:18 PM
  21. Cynycl's Avatar

    I really don't understand what the problem is with Russia encouraging development (with money) on smaller platforms.
    There's no problem with that. It just doesn't have anything to do with app neutrality.

    I also don't understand why the government has a dog in that fight. Samsung should be funding the bounty, not taxpayers. If the Russian people put up with it.....all he power to them
    02-12-15 06:22 PM
  22. lovedaazn's Avatar
    I don't understand why they wouldn't do BlackBerry. Bb10 is much more mature than sailfish and tizen

    Posted via CB10
    02-12-15 07:24 PM
  23. jmr1015's Avatar
    Nikolai Nikiforov, Russias Minister of Communications and Mass Media of the Russian Federation has tweeted something really interesting!
    "Will give grants to developers who will move their applications from Android and iOS monopoly in independent Tizen and Sailfish"
    More:
    Russia to Help Developers to Port Their Apps to Sailfish OS and Tizen from Android and iOS | Jolla Users Blog

    Hopefully BB10 is also included or maybe not?
    This isn't app neutrality. It says nothing of forcing developers to do anything. It is financial incentive for developers to do something if they choose. Developers could easily find the incentive amount to be insufficient to sway them towards Tizen or Sailfish. The only difference between this, and what companies like BlackBerry have already done in the past, is it would be the Russian goverment using tax payer money for the incentives.

    Also: Nothing to do with BlackBerry or BB10. If this were to happen, and Russia began paying developers to support Tizen and Sailfish, that would likely lead to two more mobile OSs with a better app situation than BB10.

    "Looks like Mr. Nikiforov is all about openness as he insisted iOS to become open source so that experts in Russia could look for back doors and presence of hidden features. And as you guessed, it did not happen. "
    02-12-15 09:31 PM
  24. ADGrant's Avatar
    "Looks like Mr. Nikiforov is all about openness as he insisted iOS to become open source so that experts in Russia could look for “back doors” and “presence of hidden features”. And as you guessed, it did not happen. "
    I guess he wanted to steal Apple's IP.
    02-13-15 12:31 AM
  25. JeepBB's Avatar
    I guess he wanted to steal Apple's IP.
    It's not unknown for governments to be provided with the source code so that they can reassure themselves of its security. IIRC, Microsoft gave Windows NT to the UK authorities back in the day.

    However, not all governments get that access, and I doubt Russia has ever been near the top of Microsoft's or Apple's list to get an "access all areas" pass to their OS. LOL

    But, you're right of course, nothing the Russian's are doing here has anything to do with App Neutrality or forcing Devs to develop for a minor league OS.
    02-13-15 04:30 AM
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