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  1. Anthony Roberts5's Avatar
    And how do you guys account for the OHA restrictions that have been referred to repeatedly in this and every other thread? To get a Google services supported version of Android, they'd have to abandon BB10 Android runtime.
    They clearly cannot read at all.....you cannot have Google play services and have the bb10 android runtime......at the same time...one has to give......those are the oha rules period so blackberry cannot build a android phone with Google services on It....forked android yes but not full android with Google.

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    07-07-15 07:51 PM
  2. chickenman18's Avatar
    Well if all the other Android handset manufacturers are losing money on handset sales, there might not be many of them soon.

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    07-07-15 07:54 PM
  3. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Again, it shows that Google is willing to provide an alternative licencing arrangement.
    It's not an "alternative licensing arrangement." Every Android One manufacturer is an OHA member and must follow OHA rules. Android One is a program within the OHA that provides additional benefits to manufacturers (basically, if the manufacturer builds the phone with a specific set of hardware, Google does all the software work for free) in exchange for additional restrictions (i.e., totally stock Android).

    Where you got the idea that this is somehow separate from the OHA I'll never know, because it isn't, at all.
    07-07-15 08:05 PM
  4. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    So what if Samsung says that Google play isn't that big a deal to their handset sales? There would still be continuity because Samsung apps would still run on a BerrySung device would it not?
    And if I'm Google, would I not want to keep my biggest customer?
    Samsung currently makes BILLIONS of dollars in profits every year on their Android phones, but Google Services are one of the big reasons they are able to sell most of those phones. If Samsung walked away from the OHA (and they could choose to do so at anytime, but they haven't, and won't), they would instantly lose access to the Google Play Store and Google Services. That would mean that most of the most-used Android apps in the world would not function on Samsung's phones. Sure, there are some Samsung apps in the Samsung store, and a few others, but the Samsung store would remind you a lot of BB World - it's a desert.

    Anyway, the day Samsung made this decision, it would make news headlines worldwide, and everyone who'd ever heard of the name Samsung would be hearing about how Samsung phones no longer have access to most Android apps (even if that really meant "the most wanted" Android apps), and Samsung sales would plummet overnight.

    Instead, people who would have bought a Samsung phone would instead buy an LG, HTC, Sony, Motorola, Lenovo, Xiomai, Huawei, ZTE, etc. phone, or perhaps an iPhone or WinPhone. Android overall might take a slight hit in the numbers, but Samsung's sales losses would be mostly made up by big growth in the sales of other Android OEMs - Google would barely notice the difference.

    That's the thing: Samsung is the King Of Android right now, but the world is full of companies playing the Game Of Thrones with Samsung, and are ready at anytime to step up and take Samsung's place on the throne. Samsung needs Android (and Google) a whole lot more than Google needs Samsung, and almost everyone knows it - Samsung certainly does, because they've backed down in several fairly recent showdowns with Google and about a year ago signed a 10-year agreement with Google, which keeps them VERY close.

    Unless you live in China or North Korea or somewhere else where the government blocks access to Google's services, Google Play is a HUGE deal for Android owners, and the key to its success.
    07-07-15 08:16 PM
  5. Lobwedgephil's Avatar
    I don't understand why you are saying BB can't have an android slider with a BB skin, and separate BB 1o phones. Samsung has its android phones with touchwiz and samsung sells tizen OS phones separately. BB could do the same, Slider runs Android with a skin for hub, etc. Other BB10 phones remain the same.
    07-07-15 09:08 PM
  6. Supa_Fly1's Avatar
    Sure they are - so long as you play entirely by their rules. They're not some benevolent body looking to save the phone manufacturers of the world - they want to defend the interests of their flavour of Android. Nothing more, nothing less.

    QNX Hypervisor, regardless of technical definition, would not be playing by their rules. Google has nothing to gain, and arguably something to lose, from appearing alongside another OS on the same device. That's why they changed their certification process to ban dual-boot. Even if the Hypervisor doesn't meet the definition outlined in the process, it can be rewritten on a whim - just as it was when OEMs tried to make dual-boot devices.
    Exactly!

    See this is what happens when no research is done too much derailment to the topic of why Hyper-Visor exists implanted after the new Chief Security officer left his former employer and took knowledge of INTEGRITY with him over the BlackBerry.

    Android does NOT have to be Google Services and like you the majority of members here now know, or should with the countless threads about stupid rumors, it's not going to happen. If BlackBerry gets a special blessing other manufacturers would follow suit = BlackBerry having no differentiation, we're back to square one talking about BlackBerry releasing an android phone with Google services.

    I'd be surprised if it happens very shocked in fact.

    Hyper-Visor simply allows a core OS (iOS core components or Android - non Google services) to run pseudo natively on the core silicone on chip within QNX.

    BTW this is already implanted with Car Platform 2.0 by QNXAN das been shown off for a few months now.

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    07-07-15 09:15 PM
  7. howarmat's Avatar
    I don't understand why you are saying BB can't have an android slider with a BB skin, and separate BB 1o phones. Samsung has its android phones with touchwiz and samsung sells tizen OS phones separately. BB could do the same, Slider runs Android with a skin for hub, etc. Other BB10 phones remain the same.
    tizen doesn't ship with an android player so no conflict of interest
    07-07-15 09:18 PM
  8. tickerguy's Avatar
    Isn't the issue of whether they allow simultaneous use of BB10 and Android separate from the issue of whether they kill the Android runtime in BB10?

    And what kind of battery life can we expect running two complete OSes at once?

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    A hypervisor would provide two separate environments running at once, much like Balance does.

    That would NOT violate the OHA terms, as there would be no "forked" Android; it would be pure Android on that side, and pure BB10 (no runtime) on the other.

    Best of both worlds, and if I had to guess, that's what they intend to do.

    Note: I have ZERO inside information on this....
    07-07-15 09:23 PM
  9. Jerry A's Avatar
    Again, it shows that Google is willing to provide an alternative licencing arrangement.

    A BlackBerry phone that uses the QNX Hypervisor to run a blend of BB10 and Google Android would not be dual-boot.
    Android One isn't a licensing arrangement. It's a hardware compatibility certification and branding standard. It's to ensure that low-end phones from OHA members aren't complete crap.

    Basically, a hardware baseline so low-end manufacturers stop dragging Android's name through the mud with extremely underperforming devices.
    07-07-15 09:23 PM
  10. PygmySurfer's Avatar
    They clearly cannot read at all.....you cannot have Google play services and have the bb10 android runtime......at the same time...one has to give......those are the oha rules period so blackberry cannot build a android phone with Google services on It....forked android yes but not full android with Google.
    1. Can you point me to the documentation supporting your argument that one cannot license Google Play Services for an Android device while at the same time shipping devices running another OS which are capable of running some Android apps?

    2. Do you know for a fact that Google would not be willing to negotiate a separate contract with BlackBerry where they license GPS without requiring BlackBerry to join the OHA?

    3. Is the OHA even a thing any more? Their website hasn't been updated since 2011.
    07-07-15 09:46 PM
  11. Anthony Roberts5's Avatar
    1. Can you point me to the documentation supporting your argument that one cannot license Google Play Services for an Android device while at the same time shipping devices running another OS which are capable of running some Android apps?

    2. Do you know for a fact that Google would not be willing to negotiate a separate contract with BlackBerry where they license GPS without requiring BlackBerry to join the OHA?

    3. Is the OHA even a thing any more? Their website hasn't been updated since 2011.
    I don't even need to provide a document Google is your friend .....you have two versions of Android : OHA (Open Handset Allicance) and AOSP (Android Open Source Project). OHA meaning full blown device with Google services and AOSP having a forked or modified version of Android with no Google services (Amazon fire OS and Android runtime within BB10). You CANNOT sell OHA devices then have your own OS have a forked or modified version of Android....that is to answer your first question.*

    2. Google ain't negotiating for BlackBerry who has little to no market share regardless of what security they can put on it....if they open it up for BlackBerry they will open it up for everybody else....no exceptions allowed.

    3. Yes OHA is a thing of course no doubt....just because the site isn't updated doesn't mean it's still not there....

    But since you "need" a document here you go

    https://source.android.com/compatibility/index.html

    Read the last part:

    Licensing Google Mobile Services (GMS)
    After building an Android compatible device, consider licensing Google Mobile Services (GMS), Googles proprietary suite of apps (Google Play, YouTube, Google Maps, Gmail, and more ) that run on top of Android. GMS is not part of the Android Open Source Project and is available only through a license with Google. For information on how to request a GMS license, see Contact Us. ‎

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    07-07-15 10:04 PM
  12. Blacklatino's Avatar
    Well, rumors lead to speculation- which brings much needed, free attention for BlackBerry. With sales being low- the rumor mill keeps the attention on BlackBerries next move. So, no reason for Chen to stop the "water-cooler" gossip. Let it keep going. Also, whatever is going to happen with BlackBerry / Sammy, has probably been in the works for some time and not in the planning stages. Whatever it is, if it helps BlackBerry and us consumers to be able to get a bad-*** BlackBerry-ish device, I'll complain after I get one.

    I'm also not in mourning about Nemory going to IOS to become a tadpole in an ocean full of Sharks. It's his decision.
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    07-07-15 10:19 PM
  13. BB-JAM215's Avatar
    https://source.android.com/compatibility/index.html[/url]

    Read the last part:

    Licensing Google Mobile Services (GMS)
    After building an Android compatible device, consider licensing Google Mobile Services (GMS), Googles proprietary suite of apps (Google Play, YouTube, Google Maps, Gmail, and more ) that run on top of Android. GMS is not part of the Android Open Source Project and is available only through a license with Google. For information on how to request a GMS license, see Contact Us. ‎

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    Can you point out on that web site where it says you have to been a member of the OHA to request a GMS licence?
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    07-07-15 10:20 PM
  14. Anthony Roberts5's Avatar
    Can you point out on that web site where it says you have to been a member of the OHA to request a GMS licence?
    Read what I said and think......how can a company get Google play services on their android compatible device?

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    07-07-15 10:33 PM
  15. LazyEvul's Avatar
    Can you point out on that web site where it says you have to been a member of the OHA to request a GMS licence?
    If you read between the lines, it's quite clear that Google wants companies to join the OHA in order to gain such a license. Now, it's Google's software so they're free to do what they please - of course they have the power to grant a license outside the OHA, unless we aren't aware of some kind of contractual agreement within the OHA that says otherwise.

    But it's never been done before, and would set a precedent that would sour relations with current OHA members. If BlackBerry gets the exemption, suddenly everyone else will want one. And that will mean losing a lot of control over Android.
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    07-07-15 10:47 PM
  16. Anthony Roberts5's Avatar
    If you read between the lines, it's quite clear that Google wants companies to join the OHA in order to gain such a license. Now, it's Google's software so they're free to do what they please - of course they have the power to grant a license outside the OHA, unless we aren't aware of some kind of contractual agreement within the OHA that says otherwise.

    But it's never been done before, and would set a precedent that would sour relations with current OHA members. If BlackBerry gets the exemption, suddenly everyone else will want one. And that will mean losing a lot of control over Android.
    Thank you......

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    07-07-15 10:55 PM
  17. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    ....
    Instead, people who would have bought a Samsung phone would instead buy an LG, HTC, Sony, Motorola, Lenovo, Xiomai , Huawei, ZTE, etc. phone, or perhaps an iPhone or WinPhone. Android overall might take a slight hit in the numbers, but Samsung's sales losses would be mostly made up by big growth in the sales of other Android OEMs - Google would barely notice the difference.
    Xiaomi... :-)

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    07-08-15 12:05 AM
  18. Lobwedgephil's Avatar
    tizen doesn't ship with an android player so no conflict of interest
    Thanks, I have heard that they can run Android Apps from something called OpenMobile, or something like that. Guess its different then BB's android runtime.
    07-08-15 12:07 AM
  19. Uzi's Avatar
    Xiaomi... :-)

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    XiaoCie

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    07-08-15 12:16 AM
  20. early2bed's Avatar
    Thanks, I have heard that they can run Android Apps from something called OpenMobile...
    Yikes. OpenMobile was discussed on webOSNation ad nauseum as a potential solution for the webOS app gap but was never delivered. Many promises were made and funds were raised. In the end, the idea of Android app compatibility works much better in theory than in practice. It sounds so great until you actually try to use it as your daily driver. One problem is that the promised compatibility is usually for an outdated version of Android.
    07-08-15 12:20 AM
  21. KingOfQwerty's Avatar
    If BlackBerry wants Google Play Services, which is the only way an Android device makes sense, dual-boot is not happening.
    How many of the enterprise(BB's focus group) apps require GPS?

    Can someone from enterprise enlighten us?
    07-08-15 12:31 AM
  22. Lobwedgephil's Avatar
    Yikes. OpenMobile was discussed on webOSNation ad nauseum as a potential solution for the webOS app gap but was never delivered. Many promises were made and funds were raised. In the end, the idea of Android app compatibility works much better in theory than in practice. It sounds so great until you actually try to use it as your daily driver. One problem is that the promised compatibility is usually for an outdated version of Android.
    So similar to BB10 android runtime? Outdated?
    07-08-15 12:41 AM
  23. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    How many of the enterprise(BB's focus group) apps require GPS?

    Can someone from enterprise enlighten us?
    Just because the "focus" is on one thing, it doesn't necessarily remove everything else from the picture.
    07-08-15 12:49 AM
  24. extisis's Avatar
    honestly i doesnt matter what any employee says about bb10 development. They would be stupid to say otherwise. BB's action on their dev tools is a better indication IMO. Nemory is done with BB10 dev and so are many others.
    don't like the how the "employee" kept saying "we" as if collectively speaking for the whole company. his or her opinion is of their own regardless of who they talk to.

    thinking out loud from reading the chat: oh and BlackBerry has never made a "big deal" about anything- that would involve marketing and that's been non-existent outside of Canada.
    07-08-15 12:51 AM
  25. KingOfQwerty's Avatar
    Just because the "focus" is on one thing, it doesn't necessarily remove everything else from the picture.
    lol, do they even have resources to do that?
    07-08-15 01:08 AM
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