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  1. Soapm's Avatar
    This shows the decrease of BlackBerry "subscribers" (BIS subscriptions and/or "activations" ?) we're unfortunately well aware of. But this cannot anyhow be used to know what % of "loyalists" (including returning customers) are now under BB10; which is the - tricky, I agree - question I have here.
    "Loyalist" is really a relative term, today's die hard BB fan can be tomorrow's iPhone supporter...

    But I do understand the logic that BB10 can and will grown on you over time. It did me that's for sure. So the question is, is BB committed to keeping up on the hardware side. Giving customers designs and technology they need and want. I remember when BB refused to give us a camera, then they refused to add GPS etc... I understand they eventually relented but the initial refusal always kept them "keeping up the rear" instead of leading the market.
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    05-19-15 03:16 PM
  2. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    re: loyalists
    Thus the difficult exercise, add my poor English and ...
    Probably clearer if I had written "former BlackBerry customers".

    Giving customers designs and technology they need and want
    In another thread, I stated that they did study and not "guess" what enterprises employees want : an all touch device aka Leap (only 20% asked for PKB).
    So I believe there's a significant progress in this area.
    05-19-15 04:12 PM
  3. Soapm's Avatar
    re: loyalists
    Thus the difficult exercise, add my poor English and ...
    Probably clearer if I had written "former BlackBerry customers".


    In another thread, I stated that they did study and not "guess" what enterprises employees want : an all touch device aka Leap (only 20% asked for PKB).
    So I believe there's a significant progress in this area.
    Wow, only 20% wanted a pkb??? Seems i'm always in the minority...
    05-19-15 04:40 PM
  4. BB fan forever's Avatar
    Sounds great to me (as a shareholder). Heck, I like Microsoft anyway. A Nokia/BlackBerry collaboration would be amazing.

    Posted via CB10
    Nokia is done for as far as the handsets with Microsoft. It's now Microsoft Lumia

    Posted via CB10
    05-19-15 08:12 PM
  5. birdman_38's Avatar
    Nokia is done for as far as the handsets with Microsoft. It's now Microsoft Lumia
    Nokia could still partner with BlackBerry on handsets.
    05-19-15 11:18 PM
  6. Bfalcon1's Avatar
    If Microsoft does make a bid you know for sure the Canadian and US government's will not have a problem with this. All the rumors and nonsense on this site and blogs is a waste of time. Somebody is going to buy Blackberry at some point in time.
    05-22-15 04:33 PM
  7. birdman_38's Avatar
    If Microsoft does make a bid you know for sure the Canadian and US government's will not have a problem with this.
    Apple too.
    05-23-15 09:43 AM
  8. grahamf's Avatar
    Honestly? I think I would like Microsoft to buy Blackberry. Blackberry has some pretty awesome infrastructure and underpinnings (QNX OS, RTOS, The Hub, BBM) that Microsoft can integrate into their products (a QNX kernel would be faster and more reliable than NT, the Android runtime will allow for a major boost to app support, BBM would replace Skype AND would bring reliability improvements to Office collaborating and such, and the Hub will work as an excellent notifications panel for Windows. And Integrating with Windows means that Blend and Link will be replaced with far superior programs.
    05-23-15 10:59 AM
  9. birdman_38's Avatar
    Honestly? I think I would like Microsoft to buy Blackberry. Blackberry has some pretty awesome infrastructure and underpinnings (QNX OS, RTOS, The Hub, BBM) that Microsoft can integrate into their products (a QNX kernel would be faster and more reliable than NT, the Android runtime will allow for a major boost to app support, BBM would replace Skype AND would bring reliability improvements to Office collaborating and such, and the Hub will work as an excellent notifications panel for Windows. And Integrating with Windows means that Blend and Link will be replaced with far superior programs.
    Well said.

    Microsoft is also making progress in IoT. I believe they even have a upcoming version of Windows 10 dedicated to it. There is a lot of synergy between the two companies.
    05-23-15 11:04 AM
  10. abwan11's Avatar
    Honestly? I think I would like Microsoft to buy Blackberry. Blackberry has some pretty awesome infrastructure and underpinnings (QNX OS, RTOS, The Hub, BBM) that Microsoft can integrate into their products (a QNX kernel would be faster and more reliable than NT, the Android runtime will allow for a major boost to app support, BBM would replace Skype AND would bring reliability improvements to Office collaborating and such, and the Hub will work as an excellent notifications panel for Windows. And Integrating with Windows means that Blend and Link will be replaced with far superior programs.
    MS makes sense, as you pointed out, but the price of any buyout is an important issue. Blackberry has a lot of IOT end points already in place. None of the chatter about blackberry is concerning themselves with this point. It provides a great entry and possibly lead role in that future segment. Priced in to its current market cap? No, just my opinion.

    Posted via CB10
    05-23-15 02:28 PM
  11. thymaster's Avatar
    This rumor game is fun. I vote Wendy to bid for BlackBerry because they make awesome bake potatoes.

    Posted via CB10
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    05-24-15 02:43 AM
  12. grahamf's Avatar
    MS makes sense, as you pointed out, but the price of any buyout is an important issue. Blackberry has a lot of IOT end points already in place. None of the chatter about blackberry is concerning themselves with this point. It provides a great entry and possibly lead role in that future segment. Priced in to its current market cap? No, just my opinion.

    Posted via CB10
    What about a merger? QNX does allow for more improvements to Continuity, as it would allow your phone to better offload work to a dedicated processing device (to allow for better gaming, or even to do high end video and photo editing that would kill a standard desktop).
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    05-24-15 09:50 AM
  13. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Does not matter who wants to buy BB.... The Canadian government would put a boat load of conditions on any sale... breaking up the company for patents etc. will not happen. It would end up being like the Tim Hortons / Burger King merger.... Head office and day to day operation would remain in Canada and some form of job security would be a condition... As much as BB is considered dead in the US... it is still highly regarded in Canada and the government in particular... Makes me chuckle when I read the so called analysts who say all suitors are only after to valuable parts and will break up and sell BB.... Another example of the usual ignorance of Canada and Canadians.
    So...
    Just to understand your logic:

    The Canadian government would either let BlackBerry go bankrupt, because no interested buyer would be willing to do what you just proposed.

    Or the government would provide endless subventions to keep BlackBerry alive as a handset manufacturer?

    Because currently, there are no indicators that the hardware side of things is sustainable.
    And if SaaS without handsets works, is a question nobody was able to fully answer as well.

    Therefore, what you are saying is...
    That the Canadian government would let BlackBerry go completely extinct, before allowing a merger/acquisition from another enterprise, not willing to fulfil the conditions placed by the government?

    You are of course correct. The chances of the Canadian government agreeing to a sale is zero. But I must admit, BlackBerry must be something up its selve if everyone wants them.

    Posted via CB10
    So you are proposing the same things?
    A company driven into extinction by the Canadian government?
    I happily live in a country with a socialist government. I'd never want to trade it for a more capitalistic one.

    But if what you are saying is true, then Canada must have some pretty damn obvious communistic tendencies, I never noticed.

    Sounds crazy, that the Canadian government would allow BlackBerry to go extinct, before allowing to sell it to someone else.

    Not true.. Canadian government would permit it under the right stringent conditions.. they have said so in the past. Any offer to purchase BlackBerry would have to meet its conditions...Some of which have been noted...

    I think they would approve if it were from company like Microsoft, or Apple, for example, as long as jobs and benefits to Canada and specifically Waterloo are maintained or enhanced, and security issues would not be compromised... it would need to be seen as net benefit to Canada...

    Posted via CB10
    So BlackBerry going bankrupt benefits Canada to a greater extend than selling BlackBerry?
    If not, maybe nationalising?
    05-25-15 06:32 AM
  14. cgk's Avatar
    Nokia could still partner with BlackBerry on handsets.
    Not until 2016 I think - and it makes no sense to start with - people want to get into bed with successes not failures - BB handsets are just a way to burn money.
    05-25-15 06:37 AM
  15. BigAl_BB9900's Avatar
    Is the Canadian government currently subsidizing BlackBerry in any way? How are they able to block the sale?

    Posted via CB10
    I don't know much about Canadian law, but many western countries have laws that enable governments to block the sale of industries in the national interest, specifically for national security reasons (eg so that potentially hostile powers cannot buy the shipyard that builds our nuclear submarines, or the companies that develop encrypted communication systems....)
    05-25-15 01:52 PM
  16. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    I don't know much about Canadian law, but many western countries have laws that enable governments to block the sale of industries in the national interest, specifically for national security reasons (eg so that potentially hostile powers cannot buy the shipyard that builds our nuclear submarines, or the companies that develop encrypted communication systems....)
    I live in the socialist Europe and still don't understand how the Canadian government could block a take-over, of an obviously uncompetitive company, that might or might not survive another 2 years.

    It makes no sense, if Canada doesn't want to nationalise BlackBerry.
    05-25-15 01:55 PM
  17. BigAl_BB9900's Avatar
    I live in the socialist Europe and still don't understand how the Canadian government could block a take-over, of an obviously uncompetitive company, that might or might not survive another 2 years.

    It makes no sense, if Canada doesn't want to nationalise BlackBerry.
    Not sure what the exact reasoning would be, you need to ask the Canadian government about that - but here are some news reports referring to the law:

    FACTBOX: Canada blocks sale of MDA satellite unit | Reuters
    • The 1985 Investment Canada Act obliges Ottawa to review all proposed purchases of Canadian firms by foreign companies that are worth C$270 million ($265 million) or more.
    • April 2008 "The decision by Industry Minister Jim Prentice to block the sale on the grounds it was not in the national interest is the first time the government has ever moved to halt a deal."


    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/09/...ericsson/?_r=0
    • The Canadian government’s decision comes as a blow to Research in Motion, the BlackBerry maker based in Canada. It has urged prevention of the sale so it could buy the wireless division. R.I.M. has said the transaction must be reviewed to ensure that Canada’s national interests were met.
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    05-25-15 02:08 PM
  18. tonythecanuck's Avatar
    Rumour: I want to buy BlackBerry

    Posted using my BlackBerry Z30.
    05-25-15 02:10 PM
  19. Soapm's Avatar
    Rumour: I want to buy BlackBerry

    Posted using my BlackBerry Z30.
    Wait a few months, you'll get a good deal...
    05-25-15 03:25 PM
  20. ChainPunch's Avatar
    If Microsoft does make a bid you know for sure the Canadian and US government's will not have a problem with this. All the rumors and nonsense on this site and blogs is a waste of time. Somebody is going to buy Blackberry at some point in time.
    The question becomes will other countries have a problem with a USA company owning blackberry? Prime example: Germany
    05-25-15 03:28 PM
  21. AluminiumRims's Avatar
    The question becomes will other countries have a problem with a USA company owning blackberry? Prime example: Germany
    I would say definetly yes for that question.

    If Blackberry gets under Microsoft control or any other US company like Apple or Google I will immediately stop using my Blackberry. Then it's only Jolla left or perhaps Firefox OS.
    05-25-15 03:46 PM
  22. AluminiumRims's Avatar
    I live in the socialist Europe and still don't understand how the Canadian government could block a take-over, of an obviously uncompetitive company, that might or might not survive another 2 years.

    It makes no sense, if Canada doesn't want to nationalise BlackBerry.
    Because Canada is less of a US lapdog than Europe. EU do whatever USA tells them to do without even questioning it. Canada is closer to the US so I guess the Canadians also understand more how USA works and can dodge many of their subversion techniques.
    05-25-15 03:49 PM
  23. Soapm's Avatar
    Because Canada is less of a US lapdog than Europe. EU do whatever USA tells them to do without even questioning it. Canada is closer to the US so I guess the Canadians also understand more how USA works and can dodge many of their subversion techniques.
    Careful now, we American's have feelings too...
    05-25-15 03:56 PM
  24. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Because Canada is less of a US lapdog than Europe. EU do whatever USA tells them to do without even questioning it. Canada is closer to the US so I guess the Canadians also understand more how USA works and can dodge many of their subversion techniques.
    Interesting answer, but completely off-topic.
    I wondered how it's possible for Canada to prohibit the sale of a company that would simply disappear, if it is not sold.

    Since they also would not nationalise BlackBerry, it becomes completely weird and irritating.
    05-25-15 04:26 PM
  25. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Original topic:

    Is the rumor solidifying in any way...?
    :-)

      Passposted while waiting for the Z-lider....  
    05-25-15 05:15 PM
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