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  1. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    I think there's a much simpler reason behind not mentioning RIM/Blackberry. Since both MS and RIM are pretty much in the same boat releasing a new product to the mobile industry, Microsoft finds it smarter to simply not make any statements that may bring any kind of attention to Blackberry. They'd prefer BB10 was out-of-sight/out-of-mind with any potential Windows Phone customer.
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    11-16-12 03:46 AM
  2. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    I think there's a much simpler reason behind not mentioning RIM/Blackberry. Since both MS and RIM are pretty much in the same boat releasing a new product to the mobile industry, Microsoft finds it smarter to simply not make any statements that may bring any kind of attention to Blackberry. They'd prefer BB10 was out-of-sight/out-of-mind with any potential Windows Phone customer.
    Could be, effectively. Yet I believe it isn't, due to current MS/RIM approaches and strategic "alliances" (office365+BB Business Cloud Services).
    11-16-12 04:26 AM
  3. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    If y'all think Ballmer is being "nice" to RIM because of a supposed agreement, you have another thing coming. MS has way more corporate mixing with Google and Apple I'm sure.

    RIM could be his baby and he'd still attack if it give him leverage.
    Last edited by trelawrence; 11-16-12 at 10:33 AM.
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    11-16-12 06:43 AM
  4. drjay868's Avatar
    I don't know what it is but microsoft and RIM seem to have some type of relationship. As much as I dislike microsoft I do think some form of partnership would benefit both.
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
    11-16-12 07:03 AM
  5. drjay868's Avatar
    I agree. As the saying goes, "The enemy of my enemy, is my friend."
    Should have read down 2 more posts...
    11-16-12 07:07 AM
  6. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    I think there's a much simpler reason behind not mentioning RIM/Blackberry. Since both MS and RIM are pretty much in the same boat releasing a new product to the mobile industry, Microsoft finds it smarter to simply not make any statements that may bring any kind of attention to Blackberry. They'd prefer BB10 was out-of-sight/out-of-mind with any potential Windows Phone customer.
    That could very well be the case, sure. Either way, Microsoft is more than welcome to bash at Apple and Google all they want.
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    11-16-12 10:28 AM
  7. Shlooky's Avatar
    Not sure about Microsoft opening fire at Android and iOS as Microsoft will be releasing it's Office suite for iOS and Android next year, not RIM. I think Microsoft wants third place and will do whatever to make it happen.
    Office for IOS and Android: Microsoft Makes the Right Move - AAPL, GOOG, MSFT, NOK, RIMM - Foolish Blogging Network
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    11-16-12 10:39 AM
  8. _dimi_'s Avatar
    I thought there was Office 365 for Playbook? Or are you referring to something else?
    11-16-12 11:22 AM
  9. _dimi_'s Avatar
    Apparently there's a difference between Office and Office 365..

    Office 365 is the ONLY Online Service 100% Compatible with Office
    11-16-12 11:27 AM
  10. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Not sure about Microsoft opening fire at Android and iOS as Microsoft will be releasing it's Office suite for iOS and Android next year, not RIM. I think Microsoft wants third place and will do whatever to make it happen.
    Office for IOS and Android: Microsoft Makes the Right Move - AAPL, GOOG, MSFT, NOK, RIMM - Foolish Blogging Network
    Exactly.
    11-16-12 01:35 PM
  11. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    [...]Microsoft will be releasing it's Office suite for [...] Android next year[...].
    Once I've shorten your sentence, do we read the same thing here ?
    Is there any specific API required for Office for Android that would prevent it from being ported on BB10 ?
    just sayin' ...
    11-16-12 03:05 PM
  12. DuexNoir's Avatar
    Funny that Apple is now the thorn in Microsoft's side, especially considering how Microsoft basically bailed/saved Apple from rotting years ago. Maybe now Microsoft is regretting it.

    Also, maybe Ballmer didn't want to mention BB because that would mean admitting BB10 is a threat to them. You know how embarrassed he'd be if people caught him admitting that truth.
    11-16-12 05:03 PM
  13. dbollman423's Avatar
    I don't know what it is, but WP8 phones are completely ugly.

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9930 using Tapatalk
    11-16-12 05:09 PM
  14. o4liberty's Avatar
    Rim can't afford to have any enemies at this point and Microsoft could help Rim and not hinder them. The big two Apple and Google are the ones to worry about.
    11-16-12 05:27 PM
  15. texazzpete's Avatar
    I don't know what it is, but WP8 phones are completely ugly.

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9930 using Tapatalk
    I know. You need better glasses
    11-17-12 01:03 AM
  16. texazzpete's Avatar
    Back to the topic

    I think many people have hit the nail on the head. If WP8 fails, MS still has a fairly amiable relationship with RIM...and I suspect a partnership with RIM could be a fallback option.

    Don't underestimate the deep distrust MS has for Google. Google's taking the battle to them in Search, web browser, living room....and now Google's Chrome OS and Google Docs are trying to eat into Microsoft's OS and Office bread and butter.

    Microsoft's search division isn't really profitable, but MS still cannot afford to concede the market to Google. Anything that erodes Google's stranglehold is fine with Microsoft.

    Currently, Android's smartphone marketshare is now 75% worldwide. You think Ballmer will shed too many tears if a successful BB10/WP8 assault cuts this down to 60%?
    11-17-12 01:07 AM
  17. sinsin07's Avatar
    snip...Currently, Android's smartphone marketshare is now 75% worldwide. You think Ballmer will shed too many tears if a successful BB10/WP8 assault cuts this down to 60%?
    Whether Balmer sheds tears or not is irrelevant. Balmer's only goal is to make up ground in mobile, whether that be at the expense of Apple, Google, or RIM makes no difference. This is a business, not some neighbor gang rivalry where different "mobile gangs" have non aggression pacts.

    Friends are everywhere:
    Microsoft and Apple: mobile partners as Apple licenses patents to Redmond
    "Apple licensing its patents allowed Microsoft to add features and and functionality that Apple developed first in the iPhone, without fear of the kind of litigation that Microsoft faced from Apple when first launching Windows."
    Apple and Microsoft: Forging the Future Through Partnership?

    Here's another strange partnership:
    Apple, Microsoft, RIM pay out $4.5B for Nortel patents, Google sits alone in the corner

    The question is, why would MS mention RIM?

    There is nothing special going other than imaginations not held in check.
    Last edited by sinsin07; 11-17-12 at 04:06 AM.
    11-17-12 03:51 AM
  18. christenmartin's Avatar
    I have noticed this non aggressive position too. I think RIM still might be an acquisition target if the whole windows 8 phones don't pan out. Or maybe they just don't see RIM as a threat at all and not worth mentioning...

    Sent from my Atari 2600
    Atari 2600. HA! Sweet!
    11-17-12 08:23 AM
  19. christenmartin's Avatar
    I don't understand why RIM and Microsoft would be snipping at each other. Much bigger customer base with android and ios to work with. If you can peel 5% from both that is a pretty good chunk of business, whereas peeling of 5% from rim or MS phones is not really enticing.
    11-17-12 08:31 AM
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