1. grahamf's Avatar
    Google loses Android antitrust appeal in Russia - TechCrunch

    The competition complaint was brought against Android back in February 2015 by local company Yandex aka the Google of Russia which had argued that Googles contract for Android broke competition rules by requiring handset makers to pre-install various Google services in order to be able to access the Google Play app store.

    The original ruling was handed down by Russias FAS (Federal Antimonopoly Service) last September. Google appealed the ruling, but today the Moscow Arbitration court rejected the companys appeal upholding FAS judgment that Googles practices broke Russian law by leading to the prohibition of pre-installation of apps of other producers.

    Google will now be required to amend its contract with OEMs in Russia to comply with the ruling.

    While this antitrust ruling only applies to Googles Android-related business practices to Russia, the European competition commission is also considering similar charges against Android in Europe as a whole in addition to formally probing the companys search comparison practices.
    The summary is that in Russia Google can no longer force manufacturers to comply with all of their strict rules, and Europe may enact the same laws. It may be possible the same ruling may cover Google restricting Blackberry from selling the Priv with GPS alongside Blackberry 10s with the Android runtime, even allowing Blackberry to update the runtime to 6.0 and preinstall Google Play.

    It's a long shot, but it's something to hold on to and add to your nightly prayers.
    03-14-16 05:12 PM
  2. FobiddenRiceman's Avatar
    It may be possible the same ruling may cover Google restricting Blackberry from selling the Priv with GPS alongside Blackberry 10s with the Android runtime, even allowing Blackberry to update the runtime to 6.0 and preinstall Google Play.

    It's a long shot, but it's something to hold on to and add to your nightly prayers.
    THAT WOULD BE SO DOPE!!

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    03-14-16 05:46 PM
  3. John Vieira's Avatar
    They can rule against them. And google can simply say that only nexus devices will have google play services in Europe.

    Or just stop giving out android for free, and only work deals with manufacturers they want to.

    I'm actually not sure how they lost an anti trust suit. It's it a case for that at all. They own it, they can do whatever they want with it.

    They also own android. If anything, its an extremely fair agreement.

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    03-14-16 06:16 PM
  4. Ment's Avatar
    ruling has nothing to do with forcing Google to include certain Google apps/services, just that it can't force bundling. For example if this was world-wide then Google could not force BB to carry Google Keep in order to get Google Playstore. Doesn't have anything to do with whether a runtime excludes BB from getting the Playstore at all.

    The Google workaround if there no appeal for this ruling is this. Whatever apps are missing during default install will automatically get an email prompting them to install the missing apps or Google will negotiate to pay the OEM for including the bundle.
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    03-14-16 06:27 PM
  5. John Vieira's Avatar
    ruling has nothing to do with forcing Google to include certain Google apps/services, just that it can't force bundling. For example if this was world-wide then Google could not force BB to carry Google Keep in order to get Google Playstore. Doesn't have anything to do with whether a runtime excludes BB from getting the Playstore at all.

    The Google workaround if there no appeal for this ruling is this. Whatever apps are missing during default install will automatically get an email prompting them to install the missing apps or Google will negotiate to pay the OEM for including the bundle.
    That makes more sense.

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    03-14-16 06:51 PM
  6. fschmeck's Avatar
    It does seem a little odd that Microsoft had to de-bundle IE from Windows all those years ago for pretty much the same reason. At this point though, does it even matter? You need GPS to use a large number of apps anyways. Either way, don't they get their money (and your info) just the same?
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    03-15-16 07:10 PM
  7. hoonigan99's Avatar
    This would be a very welcome ruling and i hope it spreads world wide.

    Whether or not this would mean bb10 or a dual boot phone could be possible is something we can only dream of, but this would present those of us who distrust Google and the data they take a little more control of how invasive they are.

    It bothers me greatly that on the Priv, DTEK does not make note of any pre-installed apps, so i have no idea how often chrome or any other Google Apps are accessing my phone or features. Sure now i can keep tabs on other apps, but why can't i know what Google, the one with full permission to everything, is up to? It very well could have the mic turned on whenever it wants, or performing eye tracking while i browse the Web with the front camera, scary stuff, and unfortunately you cannot block that access while using an android device.

    This ruling would support innovation in others, and quite likely give us an insight into just how much Google is earning off our data as the decline would likely become apparent.

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    03-18-16 02:15 PM
  8. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Russian legal system isn't known for its fairness... Or setting legal precedents that other nations adopt.

    GOOGLE isn't stopping users from using other browsers or even other app stores. They are just setting requirements for access to their app store... The problem is theirs and Apples are really then only ones developers care about.
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    03-19-16 07:54 AM
  9. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    Russian legal system isn't known for its fairness... Or setting legal precedents that other nations adopt.

    GOOGLE isn't stopping users from using other browsers or even other app stores. They are just setting requirements for access to their app store... The problem is theirs and Apples are really then only ones developers care about.
    More desperate grasping at straws.
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    03-20-16 02:02 PM
  10. dom7's Avatar
    Russian legal system isn't known for its fairness... Or setting legal precedents that other nations adopt.

    GOOGLE isn't stopping users from using other browsers or even other app stores. They are just setting requirements for access to their app store... The problem is theirs and Apples are really then only ones developers care about.
    OK fine... but going back to the Microsoft days and how they were forced not to preinstall IE... during that ruling, MS wasn't stopping any user from installing their own browser. How is this different?

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    03-24-16 06:25 AM
  11. Soulstream's Avatar
    OK fine... but going back to the Microsoft days and how they were forced not to preinstall IE... during that ruling, MS wasn't stopping any user from installing their own browser. How is this different?

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    The difference is that you could NOT get windows at all without having it bundled with internet explorer. Android is a little different. It is an open source OS and anyone (yes, even you" can take the source code and build a working OS. No OEM is forced to licence google play services to use Android. Amazon does this with their fire tables. Of course so far no Android phone has ever been successful without Google play services, because Google Play holds all the apps.

    But technically, OEMs are "free" not to use Google play services. It would be a stupid decision and their product would fail, but they are free to do so.
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    03-24-16 10:10 AM
  12. crucial bbq's Avatar
    It's about time, they've been talking about it for awhile now. The case in the EU is what, ongoing for three years now?

    Posted via CB PRIV.
    03-30-16 01:55 PM

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