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  1. slagman5's Avatar
    Apps take space..but that's not my problem.

    Posted from zee flicking coolest smartphone evah!
    Not to mention if he's worried about built-in features bloating the OS, requiring a separate app for every feature will bog down the system even more...

    ?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
    10-24-14 05:24 PM
  2. spikesolie's Avatar
    Not to mention if he's worried about built-in features bloating the OS, requiring a separate app for every feature will bog down the system even more...

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    Not exactly sure what the logic was in that post either. You have to run them somehow. I will admit that there's a point where apps can develop even further on one aspect but it's irritating when people just point you to this app and that app.

    I have a S5 using friend and idk if it allows external storage but I know he wouldn't use it regardless. I asked him to put a microbiology (I am a student) book on his phone for mobile use and he said he couldn't unless he deleted his apps and or music. He was there deleting them for a while and I thought to myself...I bet those apps aren't important now. Like me I also have an android app 'xodo pdf reader ' as well as the native adobe reader. I haven't used xodo yet


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    10-24-14 09:33 PM
  3. mornhavon's Avatar
    Not exactly sure what the logic was in that post either. You have to run them somehow.
    But that's the beauty of it, you only install the apps that add the specific functionality that you want, in the way that you want it. There are tens of thousands of apps to add functionality that is valuable to some, but that I don't want, and therefore don't install. I'm not saying that core functions of an OS should be modular and left up to third parties, but it's great to be able to add functionality that some want, but many would never use. Developers can do wonderful things.

    Also, it sounds like your friend either bought a device with less storage than he needs, or he's doing a poor job of managing it. That problem is hardly unique to one OS.
    10-24-14 10:35 PM
  4. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    There's a great app.... zzzz

    Posted from zee flicking coolest smartphone evah!
    Of course Samsung has an SD card slot....
    Newsflash: they are even one of the last to have removal batteries.

    So if your friend isn't capable to put his "media" on an SD card, I honestly fail to see how that would be a problem of the Android platform or app devs (now, if we would have an iPhone then you would have a point).
    If you aren't installing a hundred games, you should never run out of space, with a 64 GB card. Just... Never.

    This is pretty much the definition of user error.
    Another thing that irritates me, is that you think that you are capable of making correct assessments about other platforms or apps, even though you lack basic knowledge, like Samsung having SD-card support in pretty much every single one of their phones.
    (also, haven't you said that you work/worked for a phone selling retailer? If you did, the question about the SD card irritates me even more)

    The point of apps has always been to enhance the mobile experience on your phone (what a surprise, since they are basically programs, but for phones. I'd like to see how much you can do on a PC without any programs on it).
    So when someone says "there's an app for that", it's probably an answer 90% of smartphone users will understand and they'll be pretty happy that something as simple as a little search+download time will solve all of their perceived problems.

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    10-25-14 11:29 AM
  5. slagman5's Avatar
    Of course Samsung has an SD card slot....
    Newsflash: they are even one of the last to have removal batteries.

    So if your friend isn't capable to put his "media" on an SD card, I honestly fail to see how that would be a problem of the Android platform or app devs (now, if we would have an iPhone then you would have a point).
    If you aren't installing a hundred games, you should never run out of space, with a 64 GB card. Just... Never.

    This is pretty much the definition of user error.
    Another thing that irritates me, is that you think that you are capable of making correct assessments about other platforms or apps, even though you lack basic knowledge, like Samsung having SD-card support in pretty much every single one of their phones.
    (also, haven't you said that you work/worked for a phone selling retailer? If you did, the question about the SD card irritates me even more)

    The point of apps has always been to enhance the mobile experience on your phone (what a surprise, since they are basically programs, but for phones. I'd like to see how much you can do on a PC without any programs on it).
    So when someone says "there's an app for that", it's probably an answer 90% of smartphone users will understand and they'll be pretty happy that something as simple as a little search+download time will solve all of their perceived problems.

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    Well, firstly, I think all Samsung phones support SD cards, I think the only Androids that don't are the ones advertising a "pure" Android experience since google does not really want to support expandable memory anymore. And unlike BB, you are able to save apps on the sd card on Androids as well. But I do agree that I prefer features to be baked into the OS. I understand the desire for apps, but for me, it's not for basic phone functions. I use apps if they provide some other function.

    To go along with your PC analogy, I would not be happy if I had to download a separate program just for my PC to recognize when I plug in a flash drive for instance. Or if I was required to install a separate program just so I can use my mouse or keyboard. Or needing to install a separate program just so you can access the internet.

    Yes it's good to have those options if you wish to have a different experience with those things, but I just like if features are built into the OS rather than having to install an app for every thing. And like I've said before, having a separate app always running will definitely take up more resources than if that feature was already built into the OS.

    Anyway, in case there is any confusion, no, I'm not the person you were replying to, just giving my opinion.

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    10-25-14 12:09 PM
  6. WES51's Avatar
    If basic functions are not "baked into the OS" and you need to later add them as apps, does that not likely open the door for security breaches?

    I just recently discovered that some of my installed OS7 apps are requesting outraging application permissions.

    So I always thought that add-on apps that supposed to expand basic OS functions would require even more outraging application permissions.

    Am I correct?

    And while we are at it, is that a worry for Blackberry too?

    Sorry for sidetracking with this question, but I really like to know, if I have to worry. Indeed I try to deny most application requests, but e.g. "crossplattform communication" I always have to leave on othervise things don't work. Could that alone LIKELY or UNLIKELY pose a security issue?

    A quick LIKELY or UNLIKELY as answer would be enough and apperciated, so not to thow off the thread too much.
    10-25-14 02:42 PM
  7. slagman5's Avatar
    If basic functions are not "baked into the OS" and you need to later add them as apps, does that not likely open the door for security breaches?

    I just recently discovered that some of my installed OS7 apps are requesting outraging application permissions.

    So I always thought that add-on apps that supposed to expand basic OS functions would require even more outraging application permissions.

    Am I correct?

    And while we are at it, is that a worry for Blackberry too?

    Sorry for sidetracking with this question, but I really like to know, if I have to worry. Indeed I try to deny most application requests, but e.g. "crossplattform communication" I always have to leave on othervise things don't work. Could that alone LIKELY or UNLIKELY pose a security issue?

    A quick LIKELY or UNLIKELY as answer would be enough and apperciated, so not to thow off the thread too much.
    Obviously nobody cares about security. Just look at the market...

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    10-25-14 03:55 PM
  8. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Obviously nobody cares about security. Just look at the market...

    ?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
    Yeah slagman. We at CrackBerry know.

    This situation is screaming for a major breach affecting millions of people, not just a few celebs. I'm pretty sure it's coming, and will be BlackBerry's day...

    Not that I'd like to see that, but the way things are set up and handled I'm surprised not more has happened and / or is happening. And that's probably why people have become so complacent.

    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2....urity.cnn.html

    Referring to the CNN interview again, John Chen clearly mentions the "It won't happen to me" mentality...

    *sigh*


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    10-25-14 08:20 PM
  9. Playbookjoe's Avatar
    But that's the beauty of it, you only install the apps that add the specific functionality that you want, in the way that you want it. There are tens of thousands of apps to add functionality that is valuable to some, but that I don't want, and therefore don't install. I'm not saying that core functions of an OS should be modular and left up to third parties, but it's great to be able to add functionality that some want, but many would never use. Developers can do wonderful things.
    It would be awesome to have a section of BlackBerry World dedicated to OS enhancements. Not an app, but something that changes the OS in order to do things many people are writing apps for.

    I would love to not have an icon for all of these os enhancements but instead have a page in the settings menu that lists all of my os enhancements that third party delivers provided for me.

    For example, I don't want a whole app to change the colour of my led. I just want to download a OS enhancement and have it be done.

    In real life. It's almost the same thing, but it has a bit of a marketing spin and a cleaner approach to things that are clearly different than an app.


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    10-25-14 08:34 PM
  10. slagman5's Avatar
    Yeah slagman. We at CrackBerry know.

    This situation is screaming for a major breach affecting millions of people, not just a few celebs. I'm pretty sure it's coming, and will be BlackBerry's day...

    Not that I'd like to see that, but the way things are set up and handled I'm surprised not more has happened and / or is happening. And that's probably why people have become so complacent.

    CEO: BlackBerry focusing on device security - CNN.com Video

    Referring to the CNN interview again, John Chen clearly mentions the "It won't happen to me" mentality...

    *sigh*


    ***PPosted by PPrem WatsaPP***
    Pretty much. Someone posts on facebook how the NSA have openly admitted to having a working relationship with Google and their OS's, nobody cares. Someone announces that candy crush 2 will be coming out for Android and iOS and everyone goes nuts...
    10-25-14 08:35 PM
  11. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Pretty much. Someone posts on facebook how the NSA have openly admitted to having a working relationship with Google and their OS's, nobody cares. Someone announces that candy crush 2 will be coming out for Android and iOS and everyone goes nuts...
    A psychology book once told me that people do things simply for the feelings they get out of it. (I think it was the "Zimbardo").

    As there is no immediate pleasure received from using a secure platform (apart from the peace of mind "we" get out of it, and a reason why "we" do it), these things are of little to no concern to the average user. And they don't know what to do about it anyway...



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    10-26-14 08:45 PM
  12. spikesolie's Avatar
    Of course Samsung has an SD card slot....
    Newsflash: they are even one of the last to have removal batteries.

    So if your friend isn't capable to put his "media" on an SD card, I honestly fail to see how that would be a problem of the Android platform or app devs (now, if we would have an iPhone then you would have a point).
    If you aren't installing a hundred games, you should never run out of space, with a 64 GB card. Just... Never.

    This is pretty much the definition of user error.
    Another thing that irritates me, is that you think that you are capable of making correct assessments about other platforms or apps, even though you lack basic knowledge, like Samsung having SD-card support in pretty much every single one of their phones.
    (also, haven't you said that you work/worked for a phone selling retailer? If you did, the question about the SD card irritates me even more)

    The point of apps has always been to enhance the mobile experience on your phone (what a surprise, since they are basically programs, but for phones. I'd like to see how much you can do on a PC without any programs on it).
    So when someone says "there's an app for that", it's probably an answer 90% of smartphone users will understand and they'll be pretty happy that something as simple as a little search+download time will solve all of their perceived problems.

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    Did I argue Samsung doesn't have SD slot? Nope. That's where I stopped reading. I said he didn't want to run out of space and those cards are not cheap anyways. The pc analogy is also pretty terrible because I never said apps were bad. I'm saying I prefer when majority of functionality is precoded into the os.

    For example IE on pc comes pre-installed. I use mozilla. Great way of why apps are great. Guess what on my phone, bb10 is great and does what I need in a browser...hence I didn't download chrome. On my pc, I can watch movies with WMP..so I'm not off looking for real video player. Same with my phone . No matter how you spin it Sir, apps run on memory and the more apps you have the download to support your os, the weaker it is.

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    10-28-14 01:04 AM
  13. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Did I argue Samsung doesn't have SD slot? Nope. That's where I stopped reading.
    Let's quote you then:

    I have a S5 using friend and idk if it allows external storage but I know he wouldn't use it regardless.
    You didn't argue that they don't have one, yes, you just proved how clueless you are, because it is pretty well known that Samsung has one in basically every single one of their phones?

    And if you are that uninformed on something trivial like an SD card slot....
    It does make me wonder if you aren't even more clueless in more important areas.

    I said he didn't want to run out of space and those cards are not cheap anyways.
    If someone doesn't want to run out of space and this someone doesn't use an SD card to prevent this issue...
    Then this is a classic case of user error.

    I also hope that you are joking, because 64GB cards cost around 30$ nowadays, and that's neither expensive nor an unrealistic price, for an object you can use as long as the Micro SD standard is supported.
    When I read about those cards being expensive, I honestly had no idea if I should laugh because it's funny that someone believes that, or if I should cry because that is actually pretty sad.

    The pc analogy is also pretty terrible because I never said apps were bad. I'm saying I prefer when majority of functionality is precoded into the os.
    This is the intro to some epic misconceptions.
    Let's take a better look at them now:

    For example IE on pc comes pre-installed. I use mozilla. Great way of why apps are great. Guess what on my phone, bb10 is great and does what I need in a browser...hence I didn't download chrome. On my pc, I can watch movies with WMP..so I'm not off looking for real video player. Same with my phone .
    So, just let me get this straight:
    A program or an app, that comes preinstalled with the OS...
    Is not a program or an app??????

    The BB10 browser is an app.
    WMP is a program.
    Internet Explorer, is a program.

    Apart from me failing to understand what your point is, there is one thing I do have to ask:
    Are you serious?

    No matter how you spin it Sir, apps run on memory and the more apps you have the download to support your os, the weaker it is.

    Posted from zee flicking coolest smartphone evah!
    Once again I am not sure if I should laugh or cry.

    When you say, that an OS which needs a lot of apps to fulfil the needs of the user, is a bad OS, you do understand that there is basically no difference between a bloated OS which comes with a gazillion preinstalled apps, and an OS where you can download those gazillion apps as an option?

    The whole point of apps, was to customise the individual experience, because the needs of smartphone buyers are extremely individual.
    It makes no sense to preinstall 1000 apps as a manufacturer, if you don't know if they'll ever be used.
    It makes even less sense to code them yourself, if you can outsource them to independent devs, who will try to sell their apps in your app store.

    The last thing I'll say, is something I hinted at, quite a number of times now:
    You really lack a lot of important knowledge, if you think that preinstalling a gazillion apps, is better for your memory, than just downloading what you need.

    Therefore I'll ask once again: are you the guy who works at BestBuy/Target/Radioshak/insert name, in a technological focused department?
    If yes, I am actually kinda shocked.

    ( not to forget: The PC analogy is quite accurate, as you just get the bare minimum with the base OS (just like with a smartphone, what a surprise!) and everything specialised usually requires a 1st or 3rd party program)

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    10-28-14 02:15 AM
  14. slagman5's Avatar
    Wow, a lot of insults in that post. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets deleted, so I won't quote it here. But anyway, to be fair, the original disagreement had to do with customizing LED colors during notifications. Being "baked in" to the OS didn't mean an app that did it but rather that it is just a setting within the notifications app. Unless I'm mistaken, for Android to do the same, it'll still have the notifications app, AND it'll need a 3rd party app to also be running. So it goes from needing one to two.

    But I know with Android, you technically can delete anything, even core OS components, people are dumb enough to do that sometimes and then complain their phones don't work. But I don't know if that LED app has all of the other notifications settings in order to replace the core notifications settings app or not. Someone familiar with it can chime in? I can only make guesses here without having tried it myself.

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    10-28-14 09:45 AM
  15. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Wow, a lot of insults in that post. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets deleted, so I won't quote it here. But anyways...

    ?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
    If it's insulting to tell someone that he is clueless and doesn't really know what he is talking about (as was proven a number of times by now)...
    Then I'll live with my post being deleted.
    I personally call that "reality" and I am not one to sugarcoat reality. When someone obviously lacks knowledge but wants to give out an "informed" opinion, I will usually call him/her out on that.

    to be fair, the original disagreement had to do with customizing LED colors during notifications. Being "baked in" to the OS didn't mean an app that did it but rather that it is just a setting within the notifications app. Unless I'm mistaken, for Android to do the same, it'll still have the notifications app, AND it'll need a 3rd party app to also be running. So it goes from needing one to two.

    But I know with Android, you technically can delete anything, even core OS components, people are dumb enough to do that sometimes and then complain their phones don't work. But I don't know if that LED app has all of the other notifications settings in order to replace the core notifications settings app or not. Someone familiar with it can chime in? I can only make guesses here without having tried it myself.

    ?Posted without the aid of AutoCorrect with my physical keyboard via CB10
    Someone chiming in who is more informed about the whole notification LED process, is definitely welcome, but as far as I know you only need one app.

    Anyhow, 4 things are of note:
    At least the current BB10 implementation, doesn't allow any meaningful customisation of the LED.
    You'll need an app for that.

    If you really want to tell me, that a baked in LED customisation tool won't use more ressources, than no such tool, I am probably slightly confused.

    I really doubt (read as, it's highly unlikely) that an LED app would consume any meaningful amounts of ressources.

    Even if the original point was about the LED, it evolved pretty quickly to apps in general (without me even having posted once in this thread).

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    10-28-14 09:53 AM
  16. mornhavon's Avatar
    But I know with Android, you technically can delete anything, even core OS components, people are dumb enough to do that sometimes and then complain their phones don't work.
    Off topic, but just so people aren't getting the wrong impression of Android from your post, it's incredibly unlikely that a user just "accidentally" deletes core Android components.

    First, they'd need to root their device, which is a very intentional act for a tiny minority who want complete control of their device, and then they'd need to do something very stupid. It can certainly happen, but for any "normal" customization like we're discussing here, it's about as relevant as saying: "but I know with a Roomba, you can technically modify it to terrorize your cat" ;-) Those who are able to do it should know better than to do it, or they should be willing to deal with the consequences.
    10-29-14 05:56 PM
  17. slagman5's Avatar
    Off topic, but just so people aren't getting the wrong impression of Android from your post, it's incredibly unlikely that a user just "accidentally" deletes core Android components.

    First, they'd need to root their device, which is a very intentional act for a tiny minority who want complete control of their device, and then they'd need to do something very stupid. It can certainly happen, but for any "normal" customization like we're discussing here, it's about as relevant as saying: "but I know with a Roomba, you can technically modify it to terrorize your cat" ;-) Those who are able to do it should know better than to do it, or they should be willing to deal with the consequences.
    I personally know people who have done exactly that. I never "blamed" Android for that... It is 100% a case of user error.

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    10-29-14 07:08 PM
  18. rickster2611's Avatar
    There is still work to be done....

    I would still like to see names given to the BlackBerry updates eg. chemicals on the Periodic table

    I would also like to see the start up sequence to include the number '10' as in an exponent.

    BlackBerry symbol to the power of 10

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    11-03-14 04:46 PM
  19. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    That's odd, iPhone is unmatched when it comes to business apps. CRM, Office, printing, banking and etc, that is essential for business people. Blackberry has the worst apps in those categories out of the big 4 OS'.

    It's nice to see someone being positive towards blackberry though.

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