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  1. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    Do they still sell BBOS BES to enterprises or just BES10 now?
    BlackBerry Enterprise Server - BES - USLegacy devices EOL Dec 2015 [Updated: Not Happening]-capture.png

    I thought they stopped? I think you still need BES5 to use BBOS devices at a certain OS level, but I'm not entirely sure... I just remember an article from the spring/summertime from Chris Umi about where BlackBerry was going with Enterprise and trying to capture the MDM market by managing iOS and Android devices through BES10.
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    You are correct. Legacy devices need BES5 to operate and BB10 devices need BES10. The novelty in latest BES10 release is that you now have an unified environment to manage both devices types (and Androids' and iOs') in a single BES10 console.

    Says it all
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    01-03-14 02:54 AM
  2. sixpacker's Avatar
    As soon as the Jakarta is ready they need to stop selling all low end BBOS devices in developing markets. They need to tell corporate BES customers that they will stop making BBOS phones soon and give them assistance to implement BES10 and they will convert all existing BES5 licenses to BES10 for free. Give them unbelievable deals on Q10 and Z10 and Z30 to aid in the migrations. BBOS device sales need to stop ASAP. This is the best way to get people to migrate. You might lose some customers, but you are telling everyone you are 100% in and committed to BB10 and that is where all of your marketing and Corporate efforts need to go.

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    Stopping the supply of your top selling devices seems a tad unwise.

    You cant force customers to buy BB10 devices if they dont want to.

    Improve BB10 (e.g. include more popular legacy features etc.) and lower the price of the phones to encourage migration.
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    01-03-14 05:13 AM
  3. lnichols's Avatar
    Stopping the supply of your top selling devices seems a tad unwise.

    You cant force customers to buy BB10 devices if they dont want to.

    Improve BB10 (e.g. include more popular legacy features etc.) and lower the price of the phones to encourage migration.
    The problem is that I think most of the holdouts want BBOS with the app capability of BB10. It just isn't going to happen IMHO. I'm just as productive now, and probably more so, on my Z10 than I was on any BBOS device, including my 9900. I mean I see people on here clamoring for track pads FFS and that was the most unreliable part of the old BBOS phones IMHO as I had three fail in my family. Some people are just set in their ways and won't change until they have no choice to, and then will change, complain, and go on.

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    01-03-14 08:53 AM
  4. TGR1's Avatar
    IMO it's highly divisive to maintain both, if the intent is to promote BB10 as the platform of the future. What precisely is the message that BBRY wants to promote? BBOS for enterprise, BB10 for consumer? Other way around? One for emerging markets, the other not? Or only in certain areas?

    The transition has to happen as it seems insane to maintain both indefinitely. Pull off the bandaid. Offer a sweet deal to upgrade to BB10 then stop BBOS.
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    01-03-14 09:35 AM
  5. jr4941's Avatar
    I can't believe this guy said what he did.

    Either he was misquoted or he needs to keep his mouth shut! Think about all the article written and then updated because this guy shot off his mouth! Man oh man, John Chen has go to get these folks in line.
    01-03-14 09:38 AM
  6. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    I can't believe this guy said what he did.

    Either he was misquoted or he needs to keep his mouth shut! Think about all the article written and then updated because this guy shot off his mouth! Man oh man, John Chen has go to get these folks in line.
    I have a feeling what he said might be true but we weren't supposed to know.
    01-03-14 09:46 AM
  7. ray689's Avatar
    I have a feeling what he said might be true but we weren't supposed to know.
    Probably the first time ever we have agreed on something .

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    01-03-14 09:54 AM
  8. garnok's Avatar
    The problem is that I think most of the holdouts want BBOS with the app capability of BB10. It just isn't going to happen IMHO. I'm just as productive now, and probably more so, on my Z10 than I was on any BBOS device, including my 9900. I mean I see people on here clamoring for track pads FFS and that was the most unreliable part of the old BBOS phones IMHO as I had three fail in my family. Some people are just set in their ways and won't change until they have no choice to, and then will change, complain, and go on.

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    problem is people have plenty of choices...how many do you think current BB users will upgrade to BB10 ?.. just like past BBOS user majority will choose Android / iPhone.

    at least by selling BBOS phone BB still get revenue from hardware sales, and BIS services fee..
    01-03-14 12:35 PM
  9. Paisley Pirate's Avatar
    A does not necessarily negate B... that they will continue to do "back end" for BBOS is fine... that they will no longer be making, building or adding features to that ecosystem is also fine. It will dwindle, then die.

    Honestly people... that's what M$ does, that's what Apple does... you don't "kill" the device, you just make the people wish it was dead so they will move on their own accord. You "support" it (minimally) "forever"... but that doesn't mean all the new options, features, etc... that part is dead.

    It's just like this: my old Apple iphone 3 is "supported" by Apple - I can still get stuff off the Apple store for it... but not any of the latest stuff, and less and less versions of software are available... but it's still "supported" - but it is also at EOL because it is running a couple of OS's back... same deal with BBOS, in order to work, they have to do minimal support on the back end, which they will continue to do... fine, no problem... but don't expect any new software dev for it (and honestly, I don't know why they are waiting that long to end that... they ought to be making that happen NOW)

    EDIT - one further thought/comment... windows/nokia is offering the Nokia 520 for $59 UNLOCKED / No Contract now... this is the phone that is 1/3 of the WP ecosystem... maybe if Blackberry would do that with a phone with similar features - drive the ecosystem to get BB10 much larger.
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    01-03-14 12:52 PM
  10. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    This guy should be fired... can't have these kind of rumors floating within your own company....

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    01-03-14 01:36 PM
  11. tchocky77's Avatar
    To many people allowed to talk. This is exactly the kind of nonsense that has plagued them in the past, and I don't understand because this should be the easy stuff.

    Continuity of the message.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using CB Forums mobile app
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    01-03-14 03:02 PM
  12. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    To many people allowed to talk. This is exactly the kind of nonsense that has plagued them in the past, and I don't understand because this should be the easy stuff.

    Continuity of the message.

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    Hoping that Chen cracks down on this issue. I totally agree

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    01-03-14 03:54 PM
  13. kbz1960's Avatar
    It would be nice if the update could be included in the OP.
    01-03-14 04:29 PM
  14. Plazmic Flame's Avatar
    It would be nice if the update could be included in the OP.
    My thoughts exactly. As is normally done, the first post is updated with a message and sometimes a link to the new info. The only thing that was updated was the thread title. OP, I know you're not new....


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    01-03-14 09:38 PM
  15. Bbnivende's Avatar
    My thoughts exactly. As is normally done, the first post is updated with a message and sometimes a link to the new info. The only thing that was updated was the thread title. OP, I know you're not new....


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    The update was blackberry's promise to support BBOS past 2015 .. Was it not ?

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    01-03-14 10:36 PM
  16. Plazmic Flame's Avatar
    The update was blackberry's promise to support BBOS past 2015 .. Was it not ?

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    Yes, that was the update but what myself and kbz are saying is that the person who created this thread needs to update the first post of this thread to reflect the update. The only thing the thread creator did is update the title of the thread.


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    01-03-14 10:39 PM
  17. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Yes, that was the update but what myself and kbz are saying is that the person who created this thread needs to update the first post of this thread to reflect the update. The only thing the thread creator did is update the title of the thread.


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    My guess is he didn't update anything the crackberry mods did it for him.

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    01-03-14 10:40 PM
  18. RyanGermann's Avatar
    is a fair interpretation of this that BlackBerry will no longer actively sell BBOS devices after 2015 but will support them indefinitely after sales are discontinued? that gives BlackBerry 2 years to bring BB10 to feature parity with BBOS and get some new devices (both low- and high-end) to market. That is totally reasonable, but leaking this without any supporting information about the direction for BB10 and possible future device profiles (beyond the name 'jakarta') is... well, pick one of "premature" or "stupid". or both.

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    01-03-14 10:50 PM
  19. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    is a fair interpretation of this that BlackBerry will no longer actively sell BBOS devices after 2015 but will support them indefinitely after sales are discontinued? that gives BlackBerry 2 years to bring BB10 yo feature parity with BBOS and get some new devices (both low- and high-end) to market. That is totally reasonable, but leaking this without any supporting information about the direction for BB10 and device profiles us... well, pick one of "premature" or "stupid". or both.

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    I think what they mean is that they will stop selling bb7 in 2015. But will still provide updates and support.

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    01-03-14 10:53 PM
  20. JeepBB's Avatar
    I think what they mean is that they will stop selling bb7 in 2015. But will still provide updates and support.
    Why would you think they would provide updates?

    If they provide updates, they need to pay a team of devs to work on those updates and maintain the product software... quite an expense for an EOL'ed product line.

    I think a support model much the same as for the Playbook is much more likely, where "support" boils down to "if it breaks, we'll replace it under warranty".

    How many PB OS2.1 updates have we seen?
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    01-04-14 08:46 AM
  21. cjcampbell's Avatar
    Why would you think they would provide updates?

    If they provide updates, they need to pay a team of devs to work on those updates and maintain the product software... quite an expense for an EOL'ed product line.

    I think a support model much the same as for the Playbook is much more likely, where "support" boils down to "if it breaks, we'll replace it under warranty".

    How many PB OS2.1 updates have we seen?
    I think it will completely depend on how many subs are still using the legacy devices. Sure, it's not cheap, but they receive income for every legacy user so should there be enough, it would be prudent to stay on it.
    01-04-14 09:12 AM
  22. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Was the PB ever officially EOL'ed ?
    01-04-14 09:13 AM
  23. JeepBB's Avatar
    Was the PB ever officially EOL'ed ?
    Possibly not "officially", but do you foresee continued development of the Playbook product line?

    I do however recall a BB statement, possibly from Thor(?) at the time of the "No BB10 on PB" announcement, that BB would continue to support the Playbook. So the Playbook is definitely in that "being supported" state.

    Other than warranty repair/replacement, what recent support has the PB received from BB?

    I rather doubt that there is a development support team within BB working on PB OS2.2, much as I doubt there will be a development team working on updates to OS7.x when BB7 devices reach the support phase.
    01-04-14 09:25 AM
  24. sixpacker's Avatar
    This guy should be fired... can't have these kind of rumors floating within your own company....

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    Only if the guy was given a clear message and publically announced something different. Recent history shows that clear, concise communication isn't the management teams strong point.
    Chen is the new messiah in waiting, we'll see if he's actually up to the task. Hype is currently exaggerating his performance.
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    01-04-14 01:05 PM
  25. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Why would you think they would provide updates?

    If they provide updates, they need to pay a team of devs to work on those updates and maintain the product software... quite an expense for an EOL'ed product line.

    I think a support model much the same as for the Playbook is much more likely, where "support" boils down to "if it breaks, we'll replace it under warranty".

    How many PB OS2.1 updates have we seen?
    We saw a update for pbos 2.1 in September I think . It's basically basic security updates.

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    01-04-14 02:43 PM
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