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  1. Toodeurep's Avatar
    It comes back to what John Chen said, he said it to open a debate and at least it started a thread here! IMO I don't think anything is going to happen with app neutrality, at least in the near future.
    The thought has been in my head for years now. As developers, we want our products to become popular and make others life's better. (Some really only care about the money.) The thing is though, once that product stops being a **insert word here like toy, novelty, privilege, niche** and starts being a way of life, we loose control over such products. That is just how it works in this country (USA). These decisions have already been made and mobile tech is trending faster in that direction than has any other practice in history.
    Last edited by Toodeurep; 02-11-15 at 04:47 PM.
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    02-11-15 05:24 AM
  2. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    Did this just turn into U.S vs Canada ??
    02-12-15 08:15 AM
  3. VictorRight's Avatar
    Please sign this petition,

    http://www.standunited.org/petition/...f-the-internet

    Fight Government Takeover of the Internet

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    02-12-15 01:19 PM
  4. VictorRight's Avatar
    Because the Canadian banks were regulated they didn't crash like the large US banks. Compared to Canada US banks were a lot less regulated back in 2007-2008 and that's what led to the crash.
    You are misinformed. Let me enlighten you.

    Great article to read,

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/7992

    Why did every single democrat including the current president vote against reforming government sponsored enterprises (the cause of the economic meltdown)?

    In regards to deregulating the banking system, please read below:

    Gramm is blamed because of the repeal of Glass-Steagall via the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, which opened up competition between banks, security companies, and insurance companies when it came to offering financial services to retail customers.
    Glass-Steagall was a stupid law, and anyone who believes repealing it was a bad idea is equally stupid for the following reasons:
    1. First, the idea that additional competition can somehow damage the free market is an idiotic idea. Blaming Gramm-Leach-Bliley for the current financial problems is as silly as blaming supermarkets for a meat shortage and demanding that meat only be sold by butcher shops.
    2. Second, the behavior they claim this allowed had nothing to do with this law. Companies with sufficient political connections were already able to get waivers to override the requirements of Glass-Steagall. As proof of this, note that Citibank had already merged with Travelers Group, forming Citigroup in 1988. Gramm-Leach-Bliley wasn't passed until 1999.
    3. Third, the company that most exploited this opportunity was Wells Fargo, and up until being forced to take loans (that it didn't want) under the first bailout, Wells Fargo was probably the most stable bank in the United States.
    The only part of Gramm-Leach-Bliley that had anything to do with the current mess is the Community Reinvestment Act changes (banks with a "less than satisfactory" rating for making CRA loans were not allowed to go through with any merger). But this was an amendment and not part of Gramm's bill, so blaming Phil Gram for it would be like blaming a construction company for a vandal's graffiti.
    The only problem with Gramm-Leach-Bliley is that it didn't go far enough in deregulating banking. The current system banking system in the US would be far more robust if it had also removed the restrictions from the Bank Holding Act and allowed banks to own non-financial corporations as well. If Gramm-Leach-Bliley had corrected this defect, it would have allowed Wal-Mart to enter retail banking and the additional competition would have forced other banks to become more efficient.
    Socialists of all varieties are trying to insist that our current problems come from a lack of government regulation, when in fact the exact opposite is true. With all the government bloat interfering with the free market (from the very existence of Fannie Mae down to the CRA requirements that banks make irresponsible loans and the current bailouts that are propping up the most irresponsible companies with taxpayer dollars), suggesting that the problem is "insufficient regulation" is simply insane.
    The people blaming deregulation are the ones who caused this problem.

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    Last edited by VictorRight; 02-12-15 at 08:56 PM.
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  5. annon91221's Avatar
    Please sign this petition,

    http://www.standunited.org/petition/...f-the-internet

    Fight Government Takeover of the Internet

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    Really!!! I have been donating money for last 10 years for this to happen..

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    02-12-15 01:33 PM
  6. VictorRight's Avatar
    Really!!! I have been donating money for last 10 years for this to happen..

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    Bummer! With all the taxes etc. No need to feed the fat kitty any more. Lol

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    02-12-15 01:50 PM
  7. 3MIKE's Avatar
    [QUOTE=VictorRight;11346900]You are misinformed. Let me enlighten you.

    I don't want to start taking about politics that should be a new thread.
    It's probably political meddling that caused the failure. You can read this article below ; *


    http://www.macleans.ca/politics/otta...ng-regulation/


    So I guess if politicians get involved in net or app neutrality it should be in a nonpartisan way, independent from governments and why not global. They're talking about net neutrality now so let see what will happen.

    PS.: To follow on emanuel0ss0's post let's not turn this into a US vs Canada, we can pick the best of both worlds.
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    02-13-15 07:41 AM
  8. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Please sign this petition,

    StandUnited | Petition | Fight Government Takeover of the Internet

    Fight Government Takeover of the Internet

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    The net neutrality rules proposed by the FCC isn't government take over. Just because it involves the government doesn't mean have a knee-jerk reaction. The whole point of this is because Comcast, Verizon, etc. haven't been playing fair which has forced intervention. Most of the industry, other than the ISPs themselves, believe this is necessary. I understand being cautious about government involvement, but you should take issue with specifics rather than generalities.
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    02-13-15 12:53 PM
  9. VictorRight's Avatar
    The net neutrality rules proposed by the FCC isn't government take over. Just because it involves the government doesn't mean have a knee-jerk reaction. The whole point of this is because Comcast, Verizon, etc. haven't been playing fair which has forced intervention. Most of the industry, other than the ISPs themselves, believe this is necessary. I understand being cautious about government involvement, but you should take issue with specifics rather than generalities.
    Once it gets its claws embedded it will never release. Please do more research.

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    02-13-15 01:11 PM
  10. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    Once it gets its claws embedded it will never release. Please do more research.

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    I think you'll find that most users here actually are very familiar with the recent move to classify the internet as a utility in a move to promote net neutrality. And that most of us favor the notion.

    Just because the US government has decided to stick their fingers into it doesn't automatically mean it's a bad thing. Some of us are old enough to remember the days of Ma Bell and how outrageous the consumers were being taken advantage of. It was real hell to deal with. Without government oversight, the telephony industry would be a nightmare, and likely decades behind in innovation relative to where we are now.


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    02-13-15 01:30 PM
  11. Yatezy's Avatar
    Are people choosing to ignore that devs are willingly choosing to code in a platforms OS as apposed to html5?

    Apple or Android ain't holding a gun to their head to code in their particular code, devs are choosing to do this. Html5 is already available but they want to use the platforms code.

    And just in case you didn't get it from them 3 hints, the devs do not want to code in html5.
    02-13-15 01:36 PM
  12. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    Are people choosing to ignore that devs are willingly choosing to code in a platforms OS as apposed to html5?

    Apple or Android ain't holding a gun to their head to code in their particular code, devs are choosing to do this. Html5 is already available but they want to use the platforms code.

    And just in case you didn't get it from them 3 hints, the devs do not want to code in html5.
    Many have tried too. Though unless their apps were very simple small scale apps, most devs dumped HTML5 in favor of native coding. To the pleasure of both the developers and their customers. One classic example being the approximately one year stint of the Facebook app being an HTML5 app which was a miserable failure. Sooo many people were happy when that changed back to native development.



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  13. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Once it gets its claws embedded it will never release. Please do more research.

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    You sound exactly like my friend. He assumes those who come to a different conclusion haven't researched enough. These days anyone can research something and get different answers based on the sources of their info. Some tend to get stuck in a feedback loop that relates everything to black and white constructs without the granularity they deserve. I know of much government abuses and conspiracies, etc. Abuse and incompetence happen in the private sector as well, which in this particular case is the whole motivation for government involvement.
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    02-13-15 03:11 PM
  14. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    You sound exactly like my friend. He assumes those who come to a different conclusion haven't researched enough. These days anyone can research something and get different answers based on the sources of their info. Some tend to get stuck in a feedback loop that relates everything to black and white constructs without the granularity they deserve. I know of much government abuses and conspiracies, etc. Abuse and incompetence happen in the private sector as well, which in this particular case is the whole motivation for government involvement.
    Sounds exactly like some that I know... who use big words like "granularity"... thinking that it makes them sound big.

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    02-13-15 03:56 PM
  15. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Sounds exactly like some that I know... who use big words like "granularity"... thinking that it makes them sound big.

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    I'm sorry my vocabulary makes you feel uncomfortable. If you don't know what it means, use a thesaurus.
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    02-13-15 04:18 PM
  16. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    Sounds exactly like some that I know... who use big words like "granularity"... thinking that it makes them sound big.

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    Yea what the hell does that mean??

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    02-13-15 06:54 PM
  17. ADGrant's Avatar
    I'm sorry my vocabulary makes you feel uncomfortable. If you don't know what it means, use a thesaurus.
    Perhaps a dictionary would be more efficacious in this instance though I would concede that a thesaurus is an excellent tool for a writer.
    02-13-15 09:11 PM
  18. 3MIKE's Avatar
    Perhaps a dictionary would be more efficacious in this instance though I would concede that a thesaurus is an excellent tool for a writer.
    Lol
    02-13-15 09:17 PM
  19. jmr1015's Avatar
    Sounds exactly like some that I know... who use big words like "granularity"... thinking that it makes them sound big.

    Posted via CB10
    I'm sorry my vocabulary makes you feel uncomfortable. If you don't know what it means, use a thesaurus.
    Yea what the hell does that mean??

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    Perhaps a dictionary would be more efficacious in this instance though I would concede that a thesaurus is an excellent tool for a writer.
    A dictionary? Why not use your BlackBerry and Google it? Lol
    02-13-15 10:09 PM
  20. birdman_38's Avatar
    A dictionary? Why not use your BlackBerry and Google it? Lol
    Or better yet, download the Dictionary.com app from BlackBerry World. Oh, wait...
    02-13-15 10:34 PM
  21. red_devil_fan_1999's Avatar
    I have to agree with some of your *arguments about free market but the consumer is penalized if he has a phone and doesn't have access to certain apps.
    *So to get all the apps *you *have to buy *2 or 3 phones.*
    If certain apps are important to said customer, then he would purchase a phone that allowed him access to these apps
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    02-13-15 10:37 PM
  22. red_devil_fan_1999's Avatar
    Those are industry standards because pioneers of those industries weren't monopolistic asses like Steve Jobs and such..

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    Iirc, blackberry was on top for a while and had their own app store...
    02-13-15 10:40 PM
  23. DaedalusIcarusHelios's Avatar
    Or better yet, download the Dictionary.com app from BlackBerry World. Oh, wait...
    http://appworld.blackberry.com/webst...ntent/22557886

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    02-13-15 11:15 PM
  24. lnichols's Avatar
    BB10 will never be successful without tons of money behind it and a positive brand behind it. BlackBerry would be better off convincing Samsung to buy them, dump Android, and get devs behind the brand. Only chance for survival as the BlackBerry clown core in Waterloo has sabotaged any chance for BlackBerry phones to be successful again IMHO. It's a great OS with a horrible company and brand name tied to it, and pathetic app support is never going to improve until not plagued by the Albatross that is BlackBerry.

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    02-13-15 11:32 PM
  25. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    BB10 will never be successful without tons of money behind it and a positive brand behind it. BlackBerry would be better off convincing Samsung to buy them, dump Android, and get devs behind the brand. Only chance for survival as the BlackBerry clown core in Waterloo has sabotaged any chance for BlackBerry phones to be successful again IMHO. It's a great OS with a horrible company and brand name tied to it, and pathetic app support is never going to improve until not plagued by the Albatross that is BlackBerry.

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    I agree partly. Development keeps getting stifled by the android runtime that's installed. BlackBerry is relying way too much on Android for survival. It can't go full android apparently without compromising themselves as a company and developers don't want to make apps for a company that's reliant on a runtime to sustain it. I don't have all the answers, but maybe BlackBerry needs to give 100% of profits back to developers. They need to do something to get native applications going. If they don't go that route, they need to optimize the runtime so that 100% of the apps work 100%. I'm including getting notifications for Android apps in the hub and making sure that they are all good to go.

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    02-14-15 12:14 AM
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