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  1. jmr1015's Avatar
    Obviously not. But it's not like the moment Steve passed away that the entire company dropped all of his ideals and succumbed to corporate anarchy. His fingerprints are still there.
    I'd say more than his ideals and "fingerprints" remain at Apple. Didn't he leave behind like, a blueprint, for what Apple should do for the next five or ten years? Legal strategy. Product releases. Design and feature changes. Acquisitions. New product categories.

    I remember reading it wasn't so much an exact step-by-step, but more of an overall strategy, and that the details would be up to Cook and crew. For example. I think the eventual increase in size from the iPhone 5/5S 4" was in the cards before Steve passed... but I think the two sizes, especially the larger 5.5" 6 Plus, were Cook & Co.

    Even if that were not the case, I mean it's not like Steve was running Apple by the seat of his pants. He had plans. I'm sure he continued to plan well in to the future right up until his passing... I'm sure those plans were not kept secret from his team... and I'm sure they didn't just toss those plans in to the trash bin the minute Cook took over.
    Last edited by jmr1015; 02-05-15 at 08:22 PM.
    02-05-15 08:11 PM
  2. tchocky77's Avatar
    Steve Jobs Is still running Apple?

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    Seriously?

    All his hand-picked executives and senior vice-presidents, many of whom worked with him since NeXT and PIXAR, are still there.
    (Edited because, notably, Scott Forstall.)

    And they're doing a pretty good job, if the stock price is any indication. It's more than doubled since 2010 ya know.

    How's BBRY these days?
    Last edited by tchocky77; 02-05-15 at 09:42 PM.
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    02-05-15 09:15 PM
  3. z10Jobe's Avatar
    I'd say more than his ideals and "fingerprints" remain at Apple. Didn't he leave behind like, a blueprint, for what Apple should do for the next five or ten years? Legal strategy. Product releases. Design and feature changes. Acquisitions. New product categories.

    I remember reading it wasn't so much an exact step-by-step, but more of an overall strategy, and that the details would be up to Cook and crew. For example. I think the eventual increase in size from the iPhone 5/5S 4" was in the cards before Steve passed... but I think the two sizes, especially the larger 5.5" 6 Plus, were Cook & Co.

    Even if that were not the case, I mean it's not like Steve was running Apple by the seat of his pants. He had plans. I'm sure he continued to plan well in to the future right up until his passing... I'm sure those plans were not kept secret from his team... and I'm sure they didn't just toss those plans in to the trash bin the minute Cook took over.
    With those scanners, everybody's fingerprints remain at Apple.

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    02-06-15 06:57 AM
  4. z10Jobe's Avatar
    Seriously?

    All his hand-picked executives and senior vice-presidents, many of whom worked with him since NeXT and PIXAR, are still there.
    (Edited because, notably, Scott Forstall.)

    And they're doing a pretty good job, if the stock price is any indication. It's more than doubled since 2010 ya know.

    How's BBRY these days?
    Apples all over the world are hand picked. They don't fall far from the tree.

    Bbry's stock has doubled in the past year. If you are referring to their products, I am effortlessly flicking this post on my z30. If you are referring to the general happenings at BB, you must have an interest, because you are posting on here.

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    02-06-15 07:05 AM
  5. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    Apples all over the world are hand picked. They don't fall far from the tree.

    Bbry's stock has doubled in the past year. If you are referring to their products, I am effortlessly flicking this post on my z30. If you are referring to the general happenings at BB, you must have an interest, because you are posting on here.

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    Yes it did, but that was off the back of Samsung being in talks to buy them. It's standing at 9.94 according to Google. Apple is at 120.

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    02-06-15 11:48 AM
  6. Cynycl's Avatar
    Easy to double a stock when you sell off your assets, slash your workforce and secure financing. Not the same as increasing market share and banking billions in profit.

    Also a tad less significant to double a penny stock.
    Last edited by Cynycl; 02-06-15 at 01:35 PM. Reason: P
    02-06-15 12:34 PM
  7. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    Easy to double a stock when you sell off your assets, slash your workforce and secure financing. Not the same as increasing market share and banking billions in profit.

    Also a tad less significant to double a penny stock.
    Exactly!!

    Chen's accounting gimmicks are almost out of steam... couple more quarters at best...

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    02-06-15 01:54 PM
  8. z10Jobe's Avatar
    Yes it did, but that was off the back of Samsung being in talks to buy them. It's standing at 9.94 according to Google. Apple is at 120.

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    I think in December 2013 it was just over $6 a share. 14 months later it is at $12.50. These are Canadian figures.

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    02-06-15 05:10 PM
  9. z10Jobe's Avatar
    Easy to double a stock when you sell off your assets, slash your workforce and secure financing. Not the same as increasing market share and banking billions in profit.

    Also a tad less significant to double a penny stock.
    Stockholders don't care how a stock doubles, whether it be doubling a penny stock or making profits off of low cost labour while simultaneously cutting deals with the Chinese government to reduce your product's ease of access to YouTube in order to allow your product market access availability.



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    02-06-15 05:17 PM
  10. techvisor's Avatar
    Stockholders don't care how a stock doubles, whether it be doubling a penny stock or making profits off of low cost labour while simultaneously cutting deals with the Chinese government to reduce your product's ease of access to YouTube in order to allow your product market access availability.



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    Going from 149.40 per share to 6 is why the stock was able to double in such a short time. Given that, shareholders definitely care as to why it was able to double, don't you think?
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    02-06-15 06:59 PM
  11. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Yeah, because Ferrari, Porches and Lamborghini have huge markets.

    We are in a catch 22. No apps, no consumers. No consumers, no app development. For me, I'd rather live without the apps and have the better OS experience.

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    Yeah, because BlackBerries cost 10 times the amount of a normal smartphone... (Wait, they don't :O )
    Who makes more money, Toyota or Ferrari (and I don't mean per car, but the overall brand)?

    Porsche is owned by VW, Lamborghini as well through Audi, and Ferrari is a part of Fiat.
    Do you see any similarities between those manufacturers?
    None of them aren't part of a bigger conglomerate.

    Do you see any logic behind the analogy of luxury cars and a BlackBerry phone?
    02-06-15 09:27 PM
  12. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    I think you don't see what the vision is and net Neutrality is a piece of that vision. The world wide Web is a joke. It's more like the wild wild Web. Things need to change. If "internet of things" is to.change the world then all players that includes carriers must work together set up some standards for everything to.work properly (Hence, my DVD analogy somewhere in this thread) that also includes apps that must work on every platform. Defacto standards. If you don't see that, then you are the one who doesn't understand the whole picture.

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    The whole picture is actually pretty easy:
    We don't have a single government for the whole world, who would be able to decide that.

    Chen is desperate because he can't sell phones, without apps.

    Developers can decide if they want to use Google Services or not. If they decide to use them because an app with those services is better than an app with other/none services, then this is their choice to do so.

    The only realistic thing achievable in terms of "app neutrality", is that Google will be forced to "support" (tolerate) runtimes. If devs don't want to support them because of a lacking service infrastructure, it is once again their choice.

    Btw, you are just repeating the same nonsense in the last 25 pages.
    You still aren't making any sense, and all you do is to apologise for BlackBerries biggest PR debacle since... "the for sale sign".

    To say what Chen said, was "incredibly intelligent".
    He achieved his goal of looking desperate, in need of government help to survive, slightly whiny, and completely separated from the reality smartphone buyers are living in.
    For 96% of the market (all non BB and WP users), there is no real issue.

    The smartphone market, and I have been saying that for quite some time, is basically like the PC market. The barriers of entry for new players in the OS market, are so incredibly immense, that nobody really entered it successfully (please don't talk about Chromium).
    Without dev support, a new OS makes no sense. And specialised applications (nuclear power plants or similar stuff) run on a custom OS anyhow.

    Well, Android is the Windows of smartphones and iOS the MacOs of them.
    Apple has something called Bootcamp, which creates a Windows Partition on your Mac (only if you have a Windows copy) and some virtualisation options allow runtimes running in MacOs.
    And something similar would be the logical outcome for the smartphone market.

    Until the next big thing hits the shelves, and a new OS is needed. Won't take longer than a Quantum PC, could be shorter though.

    And just like that Chen has turned into Thor.
    Both are kinda disconnected, when it came down to market realities.
    T. Heins thinking that a for sale sign is a good idea and Chen making overpriced phones basically nobody wants (Classic mostly, Passport just slightly overpriced but still not a mass market device) are both kinda similar in terms of misinterpreting the market.

    Now this statement here...
    Is a PR debacle and reeks of desperation.
    Also just like the for sale sign.

    What T. Heins did totally right, was to launch the touchscreen BlackBerry first, and to at least try catering to the market (in a failed attempt as the Z10 just wasn't enough. Neither was the Z30. A 1 year delay kinda messes up things though).
    The mass layoffs, even though undeserved for most of the employees, were necessary for the company to survive.

    What Chen did right, was to continue down that road, cut costs even more, get Foxconn on board (to cut costs even more), to get the Amazon app store on board (something I and other CB users declared as necessary, before it happened, in quite a few funny "better Android than Android" threads) and to fire the people who failed at their management role.

    Both however, still suffer from the "tools not toys" syndrome, thinking that business people aren't consumers as well. Making Balance free for everyone to use and using the NOC to provide a virtual second phone number for the business/private partition of the phone, would have definitely turned some heads in the business and BYOD crowd, as well as with carriers and some Asians markets (asian markets love full-active dual SIM phones for some reasons).
    But no, both refuse/d to understand that the keyboard and business niche, is a dying niche.

    Is this the "Last Post Wins" thread?
    I won :P
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    02-06-15 09:46 PM
  13. Cynycl's Avatar
    Going from 149.40 per share to 6 is why the stock was able to double in such a short time. Given that, shareholders definitely care as to why it was able to double, don't you think?
    I wouldn't waste anymore time on basic math with that one.

    John Chen is his Messiah and there ain't no burning bushes going to convince him otherwise. Blackberry is god and anything to the contrary is blasphemy.

    I have him ignored but people keep quoting his rantings and unfortunately for me, the ignore option doesn't make his quoted posts non existent.

    Please folks stop quoting his posts.
    Last edited by Cynycl; 02-07-15 at 06:22 AM.
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    02-06-15 11:00 PM
  14. z10Jobe's Avatar
    Going from 149.40 per share to 6 is why the stock was able to double in such a short time. Given that, shareholders definitely care as to why it was able to double, don't you think?
    Well, that is why you don't buy high.

    The same applied to nortel at its peak and likely applies to Apple right now.

    What goes up, will come down, especially in technology stock.

    Just wished that I had bought BlackBerry at $6 or nortel at $0.69 back in 2001.

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    02-07-15 09:34 AM
  15. z10Jobe's Avatar
    Yeah, because BlackBerries cost 10 times the amount of a normal smartphone... (Wait, they don't :O )
    Who makes more money, Toyota or Ferrari (and I don't mean per car, but the overall brand)?

    Porsche is owned by VW, Lamborghini as well through Audi, and Ferrari is a part of Fiat.
    Do you see any similarities between those manufacturers?
    None of them aren't part of a bigger conglomerate.

    Do you see any logic behind the analogy of luxury cars and a BlackBerry phone?
    Why do you people get so caught up in market share of phones? This is probably the only industry people get so trumped up about corporate success. I don't care what market share my car, motorcycle, guitar, running shoes, computer, underwear, etc has, and neither do I really care about the market share of BlackBerry as long as they sell enough to stay viable.


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    02-07-15 09:48 AM
  16. 3MIKE's Avatar
    Why do you people get so caught up in market share of phones? This is probably the only industry people get so trumped up about corporate success. I don't care what market share my car, motorcycle, guitar, running shoes, computer, underwear, etc has, and neither do I really care about the market share of BlackBerry as long as they sell enough to stay viable.


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    Cause these guys wear shorts !
    02-07-15 09:57 AM
  17. TGR1's Avatar
    I'd say more than his ideals and "fingerprints" remain at Apple. Didn't he leave behind like, a blueprint, for what Apple should do for the next five or ten years? Legal strategy. Product releases. Design and feature changes. Acquisitions. New product categories.

    I remember reading it wasn't so much an exact step-by-step, but more of an overall strategy, and that the details would be up to Cook and crew. For example. I think the eventual increase in size from the iPhone 5/5S 4" was in the cards before Steve passed... but I think the two sizes, especially the larger 5.5" 6 Plus, were Cook & Co.

    Even if that were not the case, I mean it's not like Steve was running Apple by the seat of his pants. He had plans. I'm sure he continued to plan well in to the future right up until his passing... I'm sure those plans were not kept secret from his team... and I'm sure they didn't just toss those plans in to the trash bin the minute Cook took over.
    5 years of products, I believe. More than that there is also Apple University. Internal training system to maintain a consistent level of corporate culture and management, developed by Jobs in conjunction with the former dean of Yale School of Management who currently heads the program.
    02-07-15 10:11 AM
  18. z10Jobe's Avatar
    [QUOTE=Cynycl;11330721]I wouldn't waste anymore time on basic math with that one.

    John Chen is his Messiah and there ain't no burning bushes going to convince him otherwise. Blackberry is god and anything to the contrary is blasphemy.

    I have him ignored but people keep quoting his rantings and unfortunately for me, the ignore option doesn't make his quoted posts non existent.

    Please folks stop quoting his posts.[/QUOTE

    Ignore away, as imore is that way.... This is a BlackBerry fan site. You are free to post your anti BlackBerry opinions as I am free to post otherwise.

    For everybody else following this post, I will reiterate that my math skills are fine. Buy low. Sell high. If someone doubles their money on a stock buying at the valley, why would they care if other people previously lost their shirt on said stock?







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    02-07-15 10:14 AM
  19. SeeBeeEss's Avatar
    Why do you people get so caught up in market share of phones? This is probably the only industry people get so trumped up about corporate success. I don't care what market share my car, motorcycle, guitar, running shoes, computer, underwear, etc has, and neither do I really care about the market share of BlackBerry as long as they sell enough to stay viable.


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    When it comes to mobile devices and the people defined by them, debates about corporate success are merely a red herring...
    02-07-15 10:15 AM
  20. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    Why do you people get so caught up in market share of phones? This is probably the only industry people get so trumped up about corporate success. I don't care what market share my car, motorcycle, guitar, running shoes, computer, underwear, etc has, and neither do I really care about the market share of BlackBerry as long as they sell enough to stay viable.


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    The problem is... BlackBerry are NOT selling enough to stay viable!

    They are on a march to oblivion.

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    02-07-15 10:23 AM
  21. z10Jobe's Avatar
    The problem is... BlackBerry are NOT selling enough to stay viable!

    They are on a march to oblivion.

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    Yep. They do have to sell more.

    Not an easy task being up against the big boys in this competitive game where most players are losing money.

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    02-07-15 10:40 AM
  22. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Why do you people get so caught up in market share of phones? This is probably the only industry people get so trumped up about corporate success. I don't care what market share my car, motorcycle, guitar, running shoes, computer, underwear, etc has, and neither do I really care about the market share of BlackBerry as long as they sell enough to stay viable.


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    You didn't understand the context of why said, what I said.
    Where did I talk about marketshare or success?
    I simply outlined the fact that a car analogy is usually bad by default.
    It however is even worse, when someone compares BlackBerry to luxury branded cars, as there simply aren't any similarities.

    Slight reading comprehension failure on your part, or did I miss something?

    Ps: BlackBerry doesn't sell enough phones to be a viable smartphone producer. This is a problem since 2012 already, and if T. Heins wouldn't have fired half of his staff, sold real estate and other assets, BlackBerry would have long gone broke.
    02-07-15 10:55 AM
  23. ADGrant's Avatar
    Yep. They do have to sell more.

    Not an easy task being up against the big boys in this competitive game where most players are losing money.

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    Losing money is a problem, losing market share is a bigger problem. Lower market share means less third party developer interest which means lower sales which means even lower market share.
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    02-07-15 10:57 AM
  24. SeeBeeEss's Avatar
    What was the topic again?
    02-07-15 11:06 AM
  25. z10Jobe's Avatar
    You didn't understand the context of why said, what I said.
    Where did I talk about marketshare or success?
    I simply outlined the fact that a car analogy is usually bad by default.
    It however is even worse, when someone compares BlackBerry to luxury branded cars, as there simply aren't any similarities.

    Slight reading comprehension failure on your part, or did I miss something?

    Ps: BlackBerry doesn't sell enough phones to be a viable smartphone producer. This is a problem since 2012 already, and if T. Heins wouldn't have fired half of his staff, sold real estate and other assets, BlackBerry would have long gone broke.
    You did miss something. You missed where you were talking about who makes more money comparing Toyota and Ferrari.

    Who cares who makes more money? If you want to wrap yourself in the success of your favorite cell phone manufacturer and by extension feel great about having the same phone as everyone else than great. Enjoy your Corolla while you are at it.

    My bb phones work great, are reliable, inexpensive, and that is all that matters to me. Personally, I would rather not follow the crowd.

    As far as the subject of the post goes, I think Chen knows what he is doing.

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