1. BigAl_BB9900's Avatar
    Gartner state "smartphone boom is over" - probably not much of a surprise to most of us on CB...

    Thought some people might find the article interesting: The smartphone boom is over, says Gartner

    [Mods, if this is in the wrong forum, then apologies in advance, and please move it to where it should be]
    06-07-16 01:20 PM
  2. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Boom is over, now the consolidation begins...

    The weak will die off and the strong will consolidate their positions.
    06-07-16 01:28 PM
  3. jope28's Avatar
    That plus people holding on to their smartphones longer.
    It's been reported previously that BlackBerry owners hold on to devices longer than most, but now it seems to be true for all brands.
    http://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-owne...phones-longer/




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    06-08-16 12:54 AM
  4. Karan Riar's Avatar
    This is the reason I thought Priv had a chance to attract the masses bcoz of its unique form-factor and bcoz it's different from all the devices in the market right now plus many people in the past wanted an android blackberry but don't know why it failed miserably,, who knows what it's gonna take to save blackberry's handset division.

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    06-08-16 02:50 AM
  5. Matty's Avatar
    Definitely agree, when smartphones first came out, they had small screens with low resolution. They had low storage space and 2mp cameras (rear). About 8 years ago, upgrading your phone was really worth it. Because you gained so much. This was only happening because there was so much room to grow.

    But today, the storage capacities have not moved very much. For the most part 16 GB has been the standard and only recently has it been moved to 32gb.

    The screen resolution is at its max going well over 450ppi in some smartphones. Which is way beyond what the eye can see.

    We have cameras with apertures of 1.7 and take amazing photographs. Some even recording in 4k ultra high definition video quality with OIS. Most maxing what the eye can see.

    Just like all things, you eventually perfect something and then move on to the next thing. Smartphones still have one piece of the puzzle left and that is battery life. This is still a selling point but once it lasts you 3 days + then we can safely say we have reached the end. Or have we?

    I believe modular phones will be the next generation. Being able to swap out any component easily will be fantastic. Allowing the user full customization.

    Sure some manufacturers are working on "bend able" screens but that's just a novelty item that doesn't actually add any befit. IMO



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    06-08-16 02:53 AM
  6. rebroker2009's Avatar
    Well its not necessary to have 16gigs of ram and 1TB of storage space in a smartphone just yet. All manufacturers have put out much better builds in the past few years so they last longer. Providers used to give out free smartphones to their long time clients even before their renewal dates but not anymore plus the BlackBerry users wont be expecting anymore bb10 devices

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    06-08-16 03:12 AM
  7. Soulstream's Avatar
    It's true, the big growth of the market with big profits has ended. Even apple has started seeing some profits shrink year-to-year. But it's not something very surprising, it happens to all booming new markets after some period of time.

    Also, currently you don't need to buy a high-range device to have a good device. Hardware and software have evolved to a point where a mid-range device is enough for most needs.
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    06-08-16 08:40 AM
  8. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    This is the reason I thought Priv had a chance to attract the masses bcoz of its unique form-factor and bcoz it's different from all the devices in the market right now
    "Unique" and "different" doesn't automatically equal "desirable." It's quite clear which form-factor is desirable: the one that 99% of sold phones use: all-touch glass slabs. But BB always wants to swim upstream, and can't figure out why it never gets where it wants to go...
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    06-08-16 03:28 PM
  9. DamianWarS's Avatar
    ...I believe modular phones will be the next generation. Being able to swap out any component easily will be fantastic. Allowing the user full customization...
    Moto Z is a modular type phone. Basically motomods that snap on the back of the device from a magnetic port to add additional functionality. They got limited options now like battery packs, speakers and a projector but still a cool concept and a potential for greater things like turning the phone into a DSLR. There is already a handful of mods for phones that do similar things just a lot less elegant like clipping a zoom lense on the phone
    06-13-16 11:53 AM
  10. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Boom is over, now the consolidation begins...

    The weak will die off and the strong will consolidate their positions.
    All to the benefit of the consumer, I gue$$... :-D

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    06-14-16 07:00 PM
  11. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Well its not necessary to have 16gigs of ram and 1TB of storage space in a smartphone just yet. All manufacturers have put out much better builds in the past few years so they last longer. Providers used to give out free smartphones to their long time clients even before their renewal dates but not anymore plus the BlackBerry users wont be expecting anymore bb10 devices

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    Also, just like any dual-core / 4GB PC or laptop does most of what the average person or office worker wants to do, most smartphones have arrived at a level where specs increase don't offer any huge extra benefits with regards to usability.

    It's all in the software now...

    Anything and everything needs to be programmable now. Hardware is just the carrier material.

    http://www.wired.com/2016/06/barefoo...tech-industry/

    :-D

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    06-14-16 07:05 PM
  12. Dirtymike14's Avatar
    Definitely agree, when smartphones first came out, they had small screens with low resolution. They had low storage space and 2mp cameras (rear). About 8 years ago, upgrading your phone was really worth it. Because you gained so much. This was only happening because there was so much room to grow.

    But today, the storage capacities have not moved very much. For the most part 16 GB has been the standard and only recently has it been moved to 32gb.

    The screen resolution is at its max going well over 450ppi in some smartphones. Which is way beyond what the eye can see.

    We have cameras with apertures of 1.7 and take amazing photographs. Some even recording in 4k ultra high definition video quality with OIS. Most maxing what the eye can see.

    Just like all things, you eventually perfect something and then move on to the next thing. Smartphones still have one piece of the puzzle left and that is battery life. This is still a selling point but once it lasts you 3 days + then we can safely say we have reached the end. Or have we?

    I believe modular phones will be the next generation. Being able to swap out any component easily will be fantastic. Allowing the user full customization.

    Sure some manufacturers are working on "bend able" screens but that's just a novelty item that doesn't actually add any befit. IMO



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    I think the whole idea of the bendable screen is to eliminate the possibility of the screen shattering. I think Motorola has a phone out that does that, I just can't think of the name of it

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    06-14-16 09:20 PM
  13. byex's Avatar
    Smartphone industry is looking more like the auto industry in the early 1900's to mid 1900's.


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    06-14-16 09:29 PM
  14. filanto's Avatar
    Smartphone industry is looking more like the auto industry in the early 1900's to mid 1900's.


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    Just great, now we will have to deal with phones that rattle and fall apart rather quickly. Or do you mean we will get phones with fish tails and lots of chrome.

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    06-14-16 09:38 PM
  15. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    If they could just bring back the bold 9900 in exact form factor with updated os and camera.. I would be thrilled

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    06-21-16 05:58 PM
  16. khlover520's Avatar
    Time to roll out holographic phones!

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    06-21-16 09:30 PM
  17. cgk's Avatar
    If they could just bring back the bold 9900 in exact form factor with updated os and camera.. I would be thrilled

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    Shareholders wouldn't be - a phone in 2016 with a 2.8" screen?

    Quickly to just throw the money on a bonfire.
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    06-23-16 05:54 AM
  18. Matty's Avatar
    Shareholders wouldn't be - a phone in 2016 with a 2.8" screen?

    Quickly to just throw the money on a bonfire.
    Agreed, even when the Q5 / Q10 launched with a 3.1" people were concerned. There was a little more acceptance with the Classic's 3.5" screen but definitely for 2016. Anything smaller than 4.2" and it won't be good.


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    06-23-16 07:34 AM
  19. BeautyEh's Avatar
    "Unique" and "different" doesn't automatically equal "desirable." It's quite clear which form-factor is desirable: the one that 99% of sold phones use: all-touch glass slabs. But BB always wants to swim upstream, and can't figure out why it never gets where it wants to go...
    It featured both though, full touch included. I disagree that having a slider PKB was why Priv failed (not saying that your post represents your total view or anything).
    Priv was definitely too expensive, I suppose we can debate how much, and BlackBerry as a brand, is tarnished. It would require real money, time, and commitment to "re-brand" what is *means* to own a Blackberry, and there are probably different routes they could take. But BB did not (and/or, is not in a financial position) want to make that commitment in marketing dollars.

    It is not merely "more marketing" that needs to be done, like a lot of us here suggest. It's that BlackBerry would need to push out a new ::interpretation:: of their brand for consumers, and that does not come cheap.

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    06-24-16 05:52 PM
  20. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    It is not merely "more marketing" that needs to be done, like a lot of us here suggest. It's that BlackBerry would need to push out a new ::interpretation:: of their brand for consumers, and that does not come cheap.
    Absolutely right. It might well take several years of sustained global push, spending close to a billion dollars a year, in order to turn around BB's brand image. And that would assume that BB has fixed everything else that is wrong - from price to specs to distribution to carrier training & support to timely updates to BB's own apps - because if they didn't, then they'd just be spending lots of money to call attention to their other failures.

    But BB doesn't even remotely have this kind of money. They have about $2B in the bank, with $1.25B in debt to Fairfax, which means they've only got about $750M left to keep the entire company moving forward. The board isn't about to let them blow that money on a big marketing campaign for smartphones (running ANY OS) at this point.

    But spending billions on sustained marketing - as well as addressing all of the other issues at whatever that cost would be - is exactly what it would take to get BB into the game again.
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    06-24-16 06:26 PM

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