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  1. cgk's Avatar
    If you can make out the words, fill us in, because I'm not sure I know how this is going to play out.
    I'll tell you - there will be maybe some minor player in india who licenses this - we'll see one or two devices in each country. Then they don't renew the licenses as they work out that if Blackberry couldn't sell devices and make a profit - how can they with the additional license fee.

    There will be threads here as people import these devices and find all sorts of issues.

    In a year there are no licensees - there are never any licensees in the US or other developed nations.
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    09-29-16 10:34 AM
  2. ardakca's Avatar
    How?
    Blackberry cant enter the US market atm as it is.

    why would a business use a brand that is dead in a market to try and enter it? makes zero sense
    Because of the stance against Chinese oems. Kind of like Motorola.
    09-29-16 10:42 AM
  3. blackmass's Avatar
    Well, look at this way. One plus 3 specced BlackBerry for the same price? Which phone would the average user want?
    I wud salivate at a Oneplus 3 with the bb software. But how can they b of the same price ?
    09-29-16 10:59 AM
  4. ardakca's Avatar
    I wud salivate at a Oneplus 3 with the bb software. But how can they b of the same price ?
    Well to answer that I must be working in BlackBerry. Don't know how much they'll charge for licenses.
    09-29-16 11:17 AM
  5. conite's Avatar
    I'll tell you - there will be maybe some minor player in india who licenses this - we'll see one or two devices in each country. Then they don't renew the licenses as they work out that if Blackberry couldn't sell devices and make a profit - how can they with the additional license fee.

    There will be threads here as people import these devices and find all sorts of issues.

    In a year there are no licensees - there are never any licensees in the US or other developed nations.
    Maybe.

    But it sounds like Chen has something more concrete up his sleeve.

    I also think as these Chinese hardware companies slowly (or quickly) take over the entire smartphone manufacturing business, the kits will be so easy to assemble and the lines will be so easy to rejigg, that any of them can easily punch out 10 or 20 thousand "blackberry-secured" variants for enterprise customers without breaking a sweat.
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    09-29-16 11:18 AM
  6. MPdeH's Avatar
    How do you know?

    Just because the CURRENT deal makes sense for TCL (BB is buying the devices by paying cash up-front and is stocking, distributing, marketing, and servicing them themselves), doesn't mean that it makes sense for TCL to license BB's name and software and take on all of the inventory and distribution costs/risks themselves. Those are two VERY different situations, with potentially VERY different financial results. TCL can't lose under their current deal, but they could lose very big under the new one, because they'd be taking all the risks.
    It depends on how this would look like. When looking at Philips TV'S, TP Vision started out as a joint venture between the Chinese TPV and the Dutch Philips (70/30 percent). This exposed TPV to the majority of the risk, but Philips also had some stake. After some successful years TPV bought all the shares. In return they license the tv's under the Philips brand, and Philips receives 2% of the profits.

    I think a similar method is a very logical step for BlackBerry. Hardware still makes up a huge part of BlackBerry s revenue. They can't just say: Here company X, please take our brand and make phones!

    This would create a HUGE gap in revenues and would certainly **** off investors. I think an extended deal with TCL is a very viable option.

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    09-29-16 11:28 AM
  7. blackmass's Avatar
    the kits will be so easy to assemble and the lines will be so easy to rejigg, that any of them can easily punch out 10 or 20 thousand "blackberry-secured" variants for enterprise customers without breaking a sweat.
    That sounds like the beginning of Toffler's mass customization concept !!!


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    09-29-16 11:32 AM
  8. cgk's Avatar
    Maybe.

    But it sounds like Chen has something more concrete up his sleeve.

    I also think as these Chinese hardware companies slowly (or quickly) take over the entire smartphone manufacturing business, the kits will be so easy to assemble and the lines will be so easy to rejigg, that any of them can easily punch out 10 or 20 thousand "blackberry-secured" variants for enterprise customers without breaking a sweat.
    Licencees dont have to add the security and why in the enterprise would you entered a crapshot with some minor regional OEM who could disappeared at any point when you would just use Knox and cheap samsungs for drones?

    I am guessing the Indonesia phones will be low-end consumer devices.
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    09-29-16 11:56 AM
  9. cgk's Avatar

    I think a similar method is a very logical step for BlackBerry. Hardware still makes up a huge part of BlackBerry s revenue. They can't just say: Here company X, please take our brand and make phones!
    Em... that is absolutely the plan as outlined yesterday.
    09-29-16 11:58 AM
  10. darkehawke's Avatar
    Because of the stance against Chinese oems. Kind of like Motorola.
    Again, it makes no sense

    There are better options than Blackberry to choose, or they stand a better chance to do it alone
    09-29-16 12:04 PM
  11. ardakca's Avatar
    Again, it makes no sense

    There are better options than Blackberry to choose, or they stand a better chance to do it alone
    Nope, you are wrong. If LeEco release a BlackBerry with top specs and with a 400 $ price tag on the contrary to their 300ish, would make sense.
    09-29-16 12:17 PM
  12. darkehawke's Avatar
    Nope, you are wrong. If LeEco release a BlackBerry with top specs and with a 400 $ price tag on the contrary to their 300ish, would make sense.
    If HTC release their follow up to the 10 at $250 then why would people buy the Blackberry...

    You see, using imaginary wishes to prove something wrong simply does not work
    09-29-16 12:24 PM
  13. ardakca's Avatar
    If HTC release their follow up to the 10 at $250 then why would people buy the Blackberry...

    You see, using imaginary wishes to prove something wrong simply does not work
    Do you know how much LeEco phones cost? Or Xiaomi?

    If I could just learn how much BlackBerry charges for licensing.

    By the way, check the prices out.

    http://www.letvmobilestore.com

    With BlackBerry software, they are good to make a statement in the US.

    You clearly have no idea about the Asian OEMs. HTC can license their phones too if they can back them up by Software. This is actually what Chen has been trying to say.
    Last edited by ardakca; 09-29-16 at 12:55 PM. Reason: Some stuff
    09-29-16 12:29 PM
  14. blackmass's Avatar
    Do you know how much LeEco phones cost? Or Xiaomi?

    If I could just learn how much BlackBerry charges for licensing.

    By the way, check the prices out.

    http://www.letvmobilestore.com

    With BlackBerry software, they are good to make a statement in the US.
    Leeco !! Even that is a bit pricey. U can get the meizu note m3 for 140 US$s with the bb software give it anothe100 $s. Say the phone lasts 18 months & v r talk about using a bb software phone for 13 us$ a month!!!!

    http://www.gsmarena.com/meizu_m2_note-7266.php

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    09-29-16 12:43 PM
  15. ardakca's Avatar
    Le eco or meizu can do some advertising too. Normally the average consumer won't look at these brands in US. But if they badge their phones with a BlackBerry logo. They have high chances.
    09-29-16 12:52 PM
  16. blackmass's Avatar
    Le eco or meizu can do some advertising too. Normally the average consumer won't look at these brands in US. But if they badge their phones with a BlackBerry logo. They have high chances.
    The main issue in the US is the carrier subsidy model. The consumer doesn't feel the actual cost of the phone. And is taken into a contract & ends up paying more over 2 years.
    Let the Asian phones advertise, buy the phone off the shelf & b free to choose any carrier.
    09-29-16 12:56 PM
  17. darkehawke's Avatar
    Do you know how much LeEco phones cost? Or Xiaomi?

    If I could just learn how much BlackBerry charges for licensing.

    By the way, check the prices out.

    LeTV Mobile - Official LeEco Android Smart Phone Online Store

    With BlackBerry software, they are good to make a statement in the US.

    You clearly have no idea about the Asian OEMs. HTC can license their phones too if they can back them up by Software. This is actually what Chen has been trying to say.
    And there you hit it

    We have no idea what the costs of licensing will be
    We have no idea how they would deal with the costs of trying to crack the US market

    You could be looking at 500 - 600$ possibly which is less attractive than 300 -400$

    The OEM will need to look at it and decide if its worth it and then decide how much costs will passed onto the consumer. Until then these figures are wishes. Would I wish for a Blackberry at $400? yes, They should have been pricing their handsets lower for years, but realistically will it happen? I know some OEMs specialise at keeping handset costs down, but I have no faith that Blackberry will offer an attractive licensing pricepoint for those sort of OEMs to take advantage off on the world stage
    Hell they may not even want to enter the US market at the end of the day.
    09-29-16 01:20 PM
  18. JeepBB's Avatar
    I am guessing the Indonesia phones will be low-end consumer devices.
    The Indonesian licensee was quoted in another thread hereabouts: he described their market as low-end consumer devices.
    09-29-16 02:31 PM
  19. cgk's Avatar
    The Indonesian licensee was quoted in another thread hereabouts: he described their market as low-end consumer devices.
    So you are saying octo-cores and hypervisor capability? Sweet.
    09-29-16 02:44 PM
  20. JeepBB's Avatar
    So you are saying octo-cores and hypervisor capability? Sweet.
    Well, clearly!

    I also heard mention of a QNX microkernel... so it'll never crash either.
    09-29-16 03:03 PM
  21. Nguyen1's Avatar
    Out of curiosity, how much did a new 9900 or 9930 cost back in the day? It seems to me cellphones used to be less than $300usd for even high end, but now the prices are crazy close to $1000.

    Passport!
    09-29-16 03:08 PM
  22. JeepBB's Avatar
    Out of curiosity, how much did a new 9900 or 9930 cost back in the day? It seems to me cellphones used to be less than $300usd for even high end, but now the prices are crazy close to $1000.

    Passport!
    I think that says more about inflation and the falling value of money than it does the rising price of phones.

    And also, any high-end now is Star trek technology compared to high-ends then.
    09-29-16 03:12 PM
  23. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    And also, any high-end now is Star trek technology compared to high-ends then.
    Really, any high-end now is Star Trek technology compared to Star Trek.
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    09-29-16 03:16 PM
  24. blackmass's Avatar
    I think that says more about inflation and the falling value of money than it does the rising price of phones.

    And also, any high-end now is Star trek technology compared to high-ends then.
    What else has risen almost 3.5 times between then & now to adjust for inflation ?
    Does that mean in the last 10 years, with the USAz increasing arms sales the Obama Predidency was a failure ?
    I am sure there has not been a 300% rise in the prices of other electronic during this last decade.


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    Last edited by blackmass; 09-29-16 at 03:31 PM.
    09-29-16 03:17 PM
  25. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Out of curiosity, how much did a new 9900 or 9930 cost back in the day?
    When they were released, retail for them was $800 - but most people paid $350ish up-front on a 2-year contract, paying another $480 over the term of the contract, as the carriers built in about $20/month in their carrier fee to pay off the device.

    Now, obviously, they weren't still that expensive 2-3 years later, but BB's flagship phones have always been very expensive relative to other phones. BB's costs have always been high as they've chosen to take on a very expensive segment of the market (government/enterprise).

    Folks have mostly forgotten this because, for the last 5 years or so, most people have been buying phones at "firesale" prices a few months after release when they fail to meet sales goals and are quickly price-reduced.
    09-29-16 09:02 PM
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