1. tchocky77's Avatar
    Its becoming more common now, and will be mandated by law by the end of this year. Which is why Apple Pay isn't going anywhere.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    03-21-15 02:51 PM
  2. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    Its becoming more common now, and will be mandated by law by the end of this year. Which is why Apple Pay isn't going anywhere.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    i heard it's coming to canada but i can't see it taking off in any other country besides canada, U.S. and maybe England .

    I know a lot of big stores are pulling out to make their own apps or stores like walmart have no comment in it.
    03-21-15 02:54 PM
  3. birdman_38's Avatar
    Is this thread about Apple Pay? It's seriously gone off the rails.
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    03-21-15 02:55 PM
  4. howarmat's Avatar
    Is this thread about Apple Pay? It's seriously gone off the rails.
    good point. Lets get back on the subject the OP has intended. My bad for taking it OT
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    03-21-15 02:59 PM
  5. THBW's Avatar
    Another case of crackberry not knowing how something works.

    The fault is with the banks. Not Apple Pay. And moreover, they're fixing it.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    So let me get this straight, you inset yourself in the payment process and blow it up but it is someone else's problem. Ok, that makes sense. BTW, the issues are far deeper than entering card numbers properly. The banks have consistently raised a number of serious security concerns with Apple and this goes back to last summer. There is also a big organized crime element at work here and Apple has failed to understand this.

    The issue is simple. Your created a platform that doesn't effectively work for the end user (i.e. the banks). Your job as a platform designer was to account for contingencies and that didn't happen. It is nice to live in an ivory palace and pretend that everyone is at fault. You are the ones selling the service, it is your job to fix it and to enhance compliance. What is so hard to understand. Certainly, you would expect that if BlackBerry was involved.

    As stated previously, the fraud rate rates are pegged at 6-8 percent which is completely,and let me repeat, completely unacceptable. The fraud rate is 600-800 times higher than other wireless transfer platforms.

    As to what the real number is, I think it is fair to say, based on history, we should always use the higher number when it comes to Apple. They have consistently under estimated their security related issues. One need only think back to the iTunes account debacle. Then, they actually had Apple fans believing ,till a few months ago, that their imessages were encrypted. Guess not and not only was the NSA collecting the data but Apple was actively colluding with the NSA. Strangely, it was the autocratic Chinese regime that made this a public issue.

    There is nothing to defend here. The rollout was poor and sliding downhill. Because of their market presence, Apple has been given some breathing room. That's it.



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    03-21-15 03:16 PM
  6. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    So let me get this straight, you inset yourself in the payment process and blow it up but it is someone else's problem. Ok, that makes sense. BTW, the issues are far deeper than entering card numbers properly. The banks have consistently raised a number of serious security concerns with Apple and this goes back to last summer. There is also a big organized crime element at work here and Apple has failed to understand this.
    ahahahah wowww, it's ok that you don't understand but we have to get back on topic :P
    03-21-15 03:39 PM
  7. AnimalPak200's Avatar
    ahahahah wowww, it's ok that you don't understand but we have to get back on topic :P
    "The vulnerability in Apple Pay is in the way that it and card issuers onboard new credit cards into the system. Because Apple wanted its system to have the simplicity for which it has become famous and wanted to make the sign-up process frictionless, the company required little beyond basic credit card information about a user. Nor did it provide much information to the banks, like full phone numbers and addresses, that might help them detect fraud early."

    I understand your point that it is up to the banks to determine their onboarding process, however at the end of the day the system designer still shares blame for even allowing any such process option that may result in a vulnerability.

    Apple could have simply said, NO, the onboarding process requires steps A, B and C, of which all are designed to make it such a hassle that only real card holders hell bent on using the service will put up with it.

    But it appears as though they were more interested in making things easy to get as many users as possible,... and also probably so that they can keep playing the single note piano music in their ads.


    I mean, who gets blamed for a security breach at a company that allowed employees to indefinitely set 5 letter passwords with out any special characters, upper case, digits and can include the user name? The dumb employee, or the IT department in charge of (and getting paid to) look out for the system's security.

    Ok back to the topic. I would but a BlackBerry Android, or a Samsung Android with a physical kb "powered by BlackBerry".

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    03-21-15 05:11 PM
  8. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    Watch the Damn video!!!!! Look at 1:41, the bank has the option make it harder to verify your card. But most banks don't do that. It's 110% the banks fault and that is coming from someone who hates apple products. It's the banks call and if they want to lose money, that's up to them. Either way that customer is not going to lose money for the poor verification process that got handed to the bank on a silver platter. The banks number shows up and from there it's out of apple's reach. If a bank employee doesn't ask any questions besides what's your last name and address for verification I could have gotten your visa number and called them to do that. Like I said these people get the credit card number prior, they don't even have you use apple pay they could just go on ebay with it if they wanted to. If anything the apple pay part for those people is extra work.

    I don't get this forum at all... lol

    That was a terrible article btw, the writer had no idea. He didn't even say what the issues were just rambled on about nonsense. The 4 line comment to the article gave you more info.

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    Last edited by khehl; 03-21-15 at 06:34 PM.
    03-21-15 06:19 PM
  9. diegonei's Avatar
    Correction: There'd be almost no interest in BB10. Still think they should have tried to build their own native ecosystem though.
    Watch the last BerryFlow Upstream.

    A fair deal of us are with BB10 because of BB10. NOT because it can run Android apps.

    Let me stress that...

    A fair deal of us are with BB10 because of BB10
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    03-21-15 08:36 PM
  10. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    Watch the last BerryFlow Upstream.

    A fair deal of us are with BB10 because of BB10. NOT because it can run Android apps.

    Let me stress that...
    I'm starting to only be with bb1# for the keyboard I use to be such a diehard fan for the software/keyboard.

    Posted via CB10
    03-21-15 08:51 PM
  11. diegonei's Avatar
    I'm starting to only be with bb1# for the keyboard I use to be such a diehard fan for the software/keyboard.

    Posted via CB10
    This is me:
    • Security (even if not on BES, it's better than Android and iOS);
    • Software Keyboard;
    • HUB;
    • Gestures;
    • Base OS feauteres;
    • Native Built by BlackBerry apps (not the social ones)


    That all boils down to: I'm more productive on BB10 than I am on any other platform. My Z30's usage rivals my laptop's. That says a lot.

    Apps? I have some. I'm not here for that. No platform actually has any good Project Managenet/Program Management/Process Management app on their stores anyway (only companies that specialise on such areas develop good apps and those are not something a single user would afford anyday) .

    So there. And the BerryFlow podcast people are right there with me.
    03-21-15 10:40 PM
  12. tchocky77's Avatar
    So let me get this straight, you inset yourself in the payment process and blow it up but it is someone else's problem. Ok, that makes sense. BTW, the issues are far deeper than entering card numbers properly. The banks have consistently raised a number of serious security concerns with Apple and this goes back to last summer. There is also a big organized crime element at work here and Apple has failed to understand this.

    The issue is simple. Your created a platform that doesn't effectively work for the end user (i.e. the banks). Your job as a platform designer was to account for contingencies and that didn't happen. It is nice to live in an ivory palace and pretend that everyone is at fault. You are the ones selling the service, it is your job to fix it and to enhance compliance. What is so hard to understand. Certainly, you would expect that if BlackBerry was involved.

    As stated previously, the fraud rate rates are pegged at 6-8 percent which is completely,and let me repeat, completely unacceptable. The fraud rate is 600-800 times higher than other wireless transfer platforms.

    As to what the real number is, I think it is fair to say, based on history, we should always use the higher number when it comes to Apple. They have consistently under estimated their security related issues. One need only think back to the iTunes account debacle. Then, they actually had Apple fans believing ,till a few months ago, that their imessages were encrypted. Guess not and not only was the NSA collecting the data but Apple was actively colluding with the NSA. Strangely, it was the autocratic Chinese regime that made this a public issue.

    There is nothing to defend here. The rollout was poor and sliding downhill. Because of their market presence, Apple has been given some breathing room. That's it.



    Posted via CB10
    So let me get this straight....

    ....you do NOT believe iMessage is encrypted?

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    03-21-15 11:14 PM
  13. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Watch the last BerryFlow Upstream.

    A fair deal of us are with BB10 because of BB10. NOT because it can run Android apps.

    Let me stress that...
    I have no doubt about that. I have zero Android apps on my BB10 device myself.

    Are there enough people like that to keep BBRY profitable? Thankfully, we'll never have to know. Even BBRY wasn't gonna risk finding out, hence the runtime.
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    03-21-15 11:29 PM
  14. neoberry99's Avatar
    This is probably not true. Outside of the flagships, many last gen Androids do not have 2 GB RAM and Snapdragon S4 is still a better chipset versus many low/mid end Androids such as the Snapdragon 400 in the Moto G (2014). Furthermore, because BB10 relies on an Android runtime, BB10 will almost always be less efficient/more demanding than Android outside its very limited native ecosystem.
    What he said.

    Not Fours Years But A Lifetime
    03-21-15 11:56 PM
  15. vbdwork's Avatar
    If you have a Windows 8 machine, then you may be familiar with something called SecureBoot which requires that, prior to booting up the OS...
    SecureBoot can be disabled in BIOS settings on most PC computers.

    Let's use the OnePlus One for example: It has the same SoC and RAM that the Passport does, and the same screen resolution and aspect ratio as a Z30.
    Z30 has 720x1280 screen resolution, OnePlus One has 1080x1920... almost the same.
    03-22-15 02:23 AM
  16. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    • Security (even if not on BES, it's better than Android and iOS);
    • Software Keyboard;
    • HUB;
    • Gestures;
    • Base OS feauteres;
    • Native Built by BlackBerry apps (not the social ones)

    sadly we have to disagree

    1. it has already been proven by a lot of people that blackberry isnt any more secure than the other 3 platforms without bes. Sure you can't jailbreak, hack or root it but that's not really a consumer security threat, it's actually more fun to do that to tinker. We do get a containerized Android environment which is good but people like me only get the popular apps that are virus/malware free.
    BB10 is the only platform to not have encrypted email out of the box.
    BB10 is no more secure than any other platofrm out of the box. I know Crackberry likes to say different but other then what i just listed our phones are just a caplable to getting Freak and SSL attacks as an iPhone. I use to think the opposite too, until i did some research.

    2. keyboard, i'm in it for the physical keyboard because of my sausage fingers. This is probably the only thing keeping me to the OS now. I would love if BlackBerry let me used my Passport on a different OS or if someone rooted it somehow so I can load a different OS on it because i like to tinker.

    3. HUB was amazign 2 years ago when it was released, since then it hasn't been updated except for like pinch. It's going to all platforms and there are already rivals that are updating it weekly like HUB for Android, Snowball, Unified inbox and etc. It's email doesn't even come close to Accompli.
    This goes hand in hand with number 5. BB10 is the only OS where Headless apps aren't a fundamental feature we either have to check our apps every hour or we have to pay for headless which is absolutely stupid. On the other hand it's kind of good because think of the HUB with 20 headless apps with constant notifications (not hub integrated). The bells, lack of search, filtering and lack of HTML5 (like hub integrated apps to reply from the HUB) to replace the dumb app launch windows. Holy the HUB would be useless then. AKA the HUB would not be able to handle tons of headless apps, at it's current state.

    4. gestures are awesome and It's not something that is keeping me on the phone but i would much rather have gestures than 1 home button like on the iPhone which i don't know if i could get use to.

    5. Base OS features i was very happy with the progress until 10.2.1. It took a year for BlackBerry just to do a UI revamp and now the phones aren't anywhere near as stable as they were on 10.2.1. Mostly everyone on 10.3.1 will agree that it isn't stable except for the fanboys which is why the beta group was a mess. With the progress up to 10.2.1 we were getting updates every 4-6 months fully tested, so we would most likely be rocking 10.4 and fully caught up but instead we are lagging even more behind.

    6.i'm actually surprised that you said inhouse apps. They are the worst part about BB10. You can list any BB10 inhouse app and I can right a whole research paper on how the other 3 platform's app trump it (except for file manager). These also haven't been updated since release.They are terrible and we can't even use 3rd party apps to take their place except for remember. Right now I use Remember to sync with evernote to sync with onenote because that is the best cloud note taking app there is.

    10.3.1 should have been released by the end novmember at the latest but instead they messed around and pushed an OS that had to be pulled due to the bugs that were reported by the beta group in July.

    Blackberry Passport running iOS, Win10 preview or Lolipop/cynogen mod 12 would be so awesome. Been with BlackBerry for over 10 years and haven't been this disappointed with them, we don;t even get a road map or anything. Most likely 10.3.2 won't be out till end of summer putting blackberry even more behind.
    Last edited by khehl; 03-22-15 at 11:04 AM.
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    03-22-15 10:02 AM
  17. diegonei's Avatar
    I'm glad we can disagree in a socially accepable fashion. If 100% of people agreed on 100% of things, we'd still be living in caves.

    1. As for the details, I'll let others do the digging. Suffice to say, BB10 does have some measure of security built-in and it has been explained on both InsideBB and other blog posts.

    2. Buy a Nexus! Tinker is it's middle name. BB10 isn't for tinkeres though.

    3/4. I never said the HUB was unique to BB10, but their implementation still is beter for me than everybody else's. I dare you show me any other OS that has gestures built in and that have multitasking like BB10 (PlayBook does not apply since it rocks BB10's socks any day).

    5. Dude. Software development takes time. I love how people seem to think a company can snap two thingers and fart a OS.

    6. We'll agree to disagree. Contacts, Calendar, Remember, Browser, Express... Never failed me. None of them. You have your homework. Go write your papers.

    The one thing you could be missing here is I am talking about MY experience. I'm an Ambassador. I know how to fix at least half the bugs that would drive somebody away from BB10. I have access to others "of my kind" and they usually know how to solve the other half, so I run pretty much a bug free, issue free device at 99% of the time. I also don't give two craps about most apps people live and die for.

    My experience is a good one with BB10, so I defend it. I have used the competition. I can't function without the gestures anymore.

    So take my experience as that, and feel free to debate.
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    03-22-15 11:07 AM
  18. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    I'm glad we can disagree in a socially accepable fashion. If 100% of people agreed on 100% of things, we'd still be living in caves.

    1. As for the details, I'll let others do the digging. Suffice to say, BB10 does have some measure of security built-in and it has been explained on both InsideBB and other blog posts.

    2. Buy a Nexus! Tinker is it's middle name. BB10 isn't for tinkeres though.

    3/4. I never said the HUB was unique to BB10, but their implementation still is beter for me than everybody else's. I dare you show me any other OS that has gestures built in and that have multitasking like BB10 (PlayBook does not apply since it rocks BB10's socks any day).

    5. Dude. Software development takes time. I love how people seem to think a company can snap two thingers and fart a OS.

    6. We'll agree to disagree. Contacts, Calendar, Remember, Browser, Express... Never failed me. None of them. You have your homework. Go write your papers.

    The one thing you could be missing here is I am talking about MY experience. I'm an Ambassador. I know how to fix at least half the bugs that would drive somebody away from BB10. I have access to others "of my kind" and they usually know how to solve the other half, so I run pretty much a bug free, issue free device at 99% of the time. I also don't give two craps about most apps people live and die for.

    My experience is a good one with BB10, so I defend it. I have used the competition. I can't function without the gestures anymore.

    So take my experience as that, and feel free to debate.
    1. the insider blog are all about blackberry with BES, I have yet to see 1 article that BlackBerry 10 out of the box is more secure than competition. It's email out of the box is way less secure than competition. BB10 is the most secure when adding a bunch of crap like secusmart and BES.

    5. in my previous post i stated that I WAS happy before with the progress but since Chen the progress has been absolute crap. He specifically said that he was going to become more of a software company. I see more phones popping out then time spent on the OS.

    6. Remember - is the only non cloud note taking app which is basically the whole point of a note taking app, luckily there is evernote integration (not sure why they picked evernote over onenote but that's beyond me) to save it's ***
    - only app with no location reminders
    - reminders don't sync with calendar
    - multiple reminders
    -no reminders on notes, only tasks https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com...322_112159.png

    Calendar
    - the worst UI out of any calendar app out there. There is even a thread on crackberry that is complaining about it. Here is a pic compared to the others
    http://forums.crackberry.com/attachm...0_calendar.png
    - it should pick dates out of my emails like competition and ask me to put it on my calendar (basic feature that the other OS' do)

    Browser is fast but lacks little features that others have like popup blocker. I actually like the browser so I don't have much to say bad about it.

    Express is completely useless because you can't even export it to a powerpoint. One simple feature made the whole app useless.

    Contacts just needs better organization with social/messaging accounts. if I merge them they should stay merged when i update my OS. Sometimes when you merge a social account and back up your contacts, that contact mysteriously goes missing in the restore,

    I didn't go in depth because I don't want to explain every little feature that makes the apps better that are unique to the platform. I have had a BlackBerry all my life but i do know more about android, iphone and wp then most people that own them. If I didn't know them as well as I do, i would be in the same spot as you thinking the inhouse apps are great.

    If i were to take any platform's inhouse apps and replace them with BlackBerry's while running BB10. I would be a happy camper.
    Last edited by khehl; 03-22-15 at 11:44 AM.
    03-22-15 11:30 AM
  19. diegonei's Avatar
    1. the insider blog are all about blackberry with BES, I have yet to see 1 article that BlackBerry 10 out of the box is more secure than competition. It's email out of the box is way less secure than competition. BB10 is the most secure when adding a bunch of crap like secusmart and BES.

    You'd do well to go digg it up. It was talking about hardware/software security and had nothing to do with BES.
    5. in my previous post i stated that I WAS happy before with the progress but since Chen the progress has been absolute crap. He specifically said that he was going to become more of a software company. I see more phones popping out then time spent on the OS.


    6. Remember - is the only non cloud note taking app which is basically the whole point of a note taking app, luckily there is evernote integration (not sure why they picked evernote over onenote but that's beyond me) to save it's ***
    - only app with no location reminders
    - reminders don't sync with calendar
    - multiple reminders
    -no reminders on notes, only tasks https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com...322_112159.png

    Uhm... I sync Remember to Evernote. So should you. It has reminders. They don't sync to calendar but they do show on the app. You would do well to take a second, closer look.

    Calendar
    - the worst UI out of any calendar app out there. There is even a thread on crackberry that is complaining about it. Here is a pic compared to the others
    http://forums.crackberry.com/attachm...0_calendar.png
    - it should pick dates out of my emails like competition and ask me to put it on my calendar (basic feature that the other OS' do)

    I don't mind the UI change. Unlike most people, I welcome change and adapt very fast. Previous was prettier, but I see the benefits of the new one. You have to be willing to give it a change to see those though, so no point arguing.

    Express is completely useless because you can't even export it to a powerpoint. One simple feature made the whole app useless.

    You can manyally do it by saving the Express to HTML and then copy/paste to powerpoint. I do that so I don't get caught with pants down in case the place I'm going does not have proper infrastructure for Miracast use. Useless in your opinion though, this feature does not break the app.

    Contacts just needs better organization with social/messaging accounts. if I merge them they should stay merged when i update my OS. Sometimes when you merge a social account and back up your contacts, that contact mysteriously goes missing in the restore,

    Honest advise everyone to not use local contacts and rely on cloud sync. So little issues and so much better bakcup/safety if you do so...

    I didn't go in depth because I don't want to explain every little feature that makes the apps better that are unique to the platform. I have had a BlackBerry all my life but i do know more about android, iphone and wp then most people that own them. If I didn't know them as well as I do, i would be in the same spot as you thinking the inhouse apps are great.

    Well, I say you should. Do go as deep as you can. But by the 7 hells, don't RANT HERE! Post in Beta Zone! Post where BlackBerry can see it an may act on it!
    /bb10char
    03-22-15 12:05 PM
  20. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    /bb10char
    i am was part of that beta group which was a fail. Felt like I was reading another crackberry forum. Hopefuly part 2 is better since it's starting up again. I don't even think BlackBerry looked at the beta group forums since some of the bug reported 8 months ago exist today. I even have a bug reporter that send info straight to blackberry with a screen shot some how they still messed up.

    I have the blend coordinator's email and for 8 months I couldn't connect my Z30 to blend. I kept on getting this "Network error 35" sent the guy logs and everything. He said he would look at it and he couldn't find what was wrong. Turns out it was windows defender blocking it, how the hell does he not catch that right away? I had to find out and tell him and he's the one coordinating the whole program like WTFFF
    Windows defender has never blocked a program on me so i didn't think of it until a month ago, curiously checked and there it was. Good lesson learned on my part but I shouldn't have to be the one to figure it out.
    I told him to put it up on http://docs.blackberry.com/en/smartp...antConnect.jsp so hopefully someday you will see that.
    Last edited by khehl; 03-22-15 at 12:24 PM.
    03-22-15 12:10 PM
  21. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    I have no doubt about that. I have zero Android apps on my BB10 device myself.

    Are there enough people like that to keep BBRY profitable? Thankfully, we'll never have to know. Even BBRY wasn't gonna risk finding out, hence the runtime.
    Same, 0 Android apps.
    But I have a secondary phone...
    03-22-15 01:21 PM
  22. Jas00555's Avatar
    SecureBoot can be disabled in BIOS settings on most PC computers.
    Not in Windows 10. All Blackberry would have to do is require the OEM to not let you turn it off.

    Windows 10 to make the Secure Boot alt-OS lock out a reality | Ars Technica


    Z30 has 720x1280 screen resolution, OnePlus One has 1080x1920... almost the same.
    Weird. The site I saw said the Z30 has a 1080p screen (are there really no BB10 devices with FHD screens????), but either way, 1080p support is something that should be in there anyways.
    03-22-15 03:07 PM
  23. howarmat's Avatar
    Not in Windows 10. All Blackberry would have to do is require the OEM to not let you turn it off.

    Windows 10 to make the Secure Boot alt-OS lock out a reality | Ars Technica



    Weird. The site I saw said the Z30 has a 1080p screen (are there really no BB10 devices with FHD screens????), but either way, 1080p support is something that should be in there anyways.
    the passport technically has 1440x1440 but no 1080p. Z30 should have had it but it didnt
    03-22-15 03:12 PM
  24. anon(5818411)'s Avatar

    Weird. The site I saw said the Z30 has a 1080p screen (are there really no BB10 devices with FHD screens????), but either way, 1080p support is something that should be in there anyways.
    not to mention Z30 has the worst PPI of any flagship in the past 2 years. Z10 has a better PPI as an entry level phone

    Z30: 295PPI
    iPhone 3s (2009): 326 PPI (i have been making fun of retina display all these years too lol)
    Z10: 356ppi
    Passport: 453 ppi
    03-22-15 03:26 PM
  25. vbdwork's Avatar
    Not in Windows 10.
    Probably, but for mobile computers with pre-installed Windows.
    Custom hardware will be always unlocked for different OS installations.

    Z10 has a better PPI as an entry level phone...
    Z10 was BlackBerry's flagship device back in 2013.
    03-22-15 04:10 PM
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