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  1. walt63's Avatar
    While reading the following, replace "Tizen" with "BB10" and "Z1" with Z10.

    If Tizen can run Android apps, even if the user experience is less than ideal, that's an easy way for developers to bring apps to the platform with minimal effort. It's also a reason for them to avoid writing native Tizen apps, giving users the best experience on phones like the Z1. (It's also a problem faced by any non-Google platform attempting to run Android apps — and something Google Play Services was surely designed to insulate against.)
    Sounds like a familiar story doesn't it?

    Will Samsung be able to populate their app store (Tizen Store) with this strategy? My take is that I think they have a heck of a better shot with this strategy than BlackBerry. Different name, different market perception.

    Full article posted on Android Central - Samsung's Tizen-powered Z1: A rival for Android One, if not all of Android | Android Central
    Last edited by walt63; 02-06-15 at 03:23 PM.
    02-06-15 02:46 PM
  2. anon(2313227)'s Avatar
    The difference is whatever they can get working should also probably work on BB10 so it is a win for BB users as well.
    02-06-15 02:52 PM
  3. walt63's Avatar
    The difference is whatever they can get working should also probably work on BB10 so it is a win for BB users as well.
    So....you're saying that let's hash-up another third-party non-BBRY approved app store to download apps from the Tizen Store?

    Ha ha ha

    Can't keep relying on other app sources other than our own.
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    02-06-15 02:56 PM
  4. howarmat's Avatar
    I don't think they are aiming at the same customers at all. They will may sell more than bb10 simply because its got the "Samsung" name behind it and its cheap as crap too. Samsung also doesn't need this to be a home run where BB does need bb10 to have better sales data.
    02-06-15 02:59 PM
  5. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    So....you're saying that let's hash-up another third-party non-BBRY approved app store to download apps from the Tizen Store?

    Ha ha ha

    Can't keep relying on other app sources other than our own.
    Not really... I guess he's implying that once someone with enough marketing clout has gone through the effort of stripping apps off Google Services, these will be much easier ported to other Android-emulating platforms, and developers will make use of this.

    Why can't Samsung spin off another subsidiary that's not joined to the OHA and that way circumvent the OHA's restrictions...? :-)


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    02-06-15 03:03 PM
  6. AnimalPak200's Avatar
    If they have money to buy marketing, then they'll make it more visible, which may prompt developers to consider developing for it.

    None of that really happened for BB10 (in any serious wide-spread way, at least).

    Now what would be interesting is that, one of the reasons BlackBerry seems to have done almost no advertising, is because Samsung and Apple were doing so much of it.

    Will Samsung stop advertising its non-Tizen handsets to allow Tizen marketing to be visible? Or is that too much of a risk in the face of Apple? Could they somehow advertise both simultaneously? Maybe they can just trick people into buying Tizen...

    Or maybe Tizen will never be sold in places where their more expensive "flagship" Google Android devices are moving easily.

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    02-06-15 03:21 PM
  7. Ment's Avatar
    Not really... I guess he's implying that once someone with enough marketing clout has gone through the effort of stripping apps off Google Services, these will be much easier ported to other Android-emulating platforms, and developers will make use of this.

    Why can't Samsung spin off another subsidiary that's not joined to the OHA and that way circumvent the OHA's restrictions...? :-)


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    You mean like QNX is to RIM? Notice QNX still has to report its revenue in BBRY filings because its STILL part of the parent company so no that won't work.

    Most of the Tizen 3rd party apps are just web wrappers so perhaps its in tune with Chen's app neutrality vision. Still a poor substitute for proper apps in an app store.
    02-06-15 03:23 PM
  8. walt63's Avatar
    Will Samsung stop advertising its non-Tizen handsets to allow Tizen marketing to be visible? Or is that too much of a risk in the face of Apple? Could they somehow advertise both simultaneously? Maybe they can just trick people into buying Tizen...
    Great questions! I was thinking the same thing. Slippery slopes.
    02-06-15 03:31 PM
  9. ccbs's Avatar
    If Samsung manages to make Tizen the fourth popular mobile OS in the market, BB10 will be relegated to a specialized OS for business customers. Given the cost structure of BB, it will have to be selling at a higher price than competitors to compensate for the lack of economy of scale. Eventually, Chen will just migrate everything to software and services and end the hardware business. Or he will just take the best way out to unlock the shareholder values by selling the company to Samsung.
    02-06-15 03:49 PM
  10. ADGrant's Avatar
    If they have money to buy marketing, then they'll make it more visible, which may prompt developers to consider developing for it.

    None of that really happened for BB10 (in any serious wide-spread way, at least).

    Now what would be interesting is that, one of the reasons BlackBerry seems to have done almost no advertising, is because Samsung and Apple were doing so much of it.

    Will Samsung stop advertising its non-Tizen handsets to allow Tizen marketing to be visible? Or is that too much of a risk in the face of Apple? Could they somehow advertise both simultaneously? Maybe they can just trick people into buying Tizen...

    Or maybe Tizen will never be sold in places where their more expensive "flagship" Google Android devices are moving easily.

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    Their plan is to sell in developing markets like India. Tizen will be ignored by App developers and the platform will fail to gain traction.
    02-06-15 08:09 PM
  11. Cozz4ever's Avatar
    Their plan is to sell in developing markets like India. Tizen will be ignored by App developers and the platform will fail to gain traction.
    Not really. Samsung is putting tizen on any and all products they make. They're putting tizen on their tv sets and are expanding to other products like media players. Either portable or blu-ray, they all will carry it. They have the eco system for it.

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    02-06-15 09:35 PM
  12. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    I don't think BBRY has much to worry about in terms of competition from Tizen. It is very clearly the least inspired smartphone OS ever introduced.
    The first Tizen smartphone isn?t an ?Android killer??it?s a bad Android clone | Ars Technica

    Aside from being a very basic iOS/Android-app grid style OS, Samsung manages to make something even less attractive than TouchWiz with hordes of bad UI decisions such as a Homepage that is limited to widgets. This looks worse than Gingerbread. To top it off, it is launching on ultra low end hardware comparable to the very old Lumia 520.
    02-07-15 06:17 AM
  13. ADGrant's Avatar
    Not really. Samsung is putting tizen on any and all products they make. They're putting tizen on their tv sets and are expanding to other products like media players. Either portable or blu-ray, they all will carry it. They have the eco system for it.

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    WebOS is also a TV operating system now. Clearly for a smartphone os, migrating to a smart tv is the benchmark of success.
    02-07-15 06:30 AM
  14. howarmat's Avatar
    I don't think BBRY has much to worry about in terms of competition from Tizen. It is very clearly the least inspired smartphone OS ever introduced.
    The first Tizen smartphone isn?t an ?Android killer??it?s a bad Android clone | Ars Technica

    Aside from being a very basic iOS/Android-app grid style OS, Samsung manages to make something even less attractive than TouchWiz with hordes of bad UI decisions such as a Homepage that is limited to widgets. This looks worse than Gingerbread. To top it off, it is launching on ultra low end hardware comparable to the very old Lumia 520.
    whats the price and availability of the z10/z3 compared to the tizen phone?

    the lumia 5xx ate up the low end and kicked BB butts last year so we will just have to see how Samsung fares in the low end market.
    02-07-15 08:11 AM
  15. ADGrant's Avatar
    whats the price and availability of the z10/z3 compared to the tizen phone?

    the lumia 5xx ate up the low end and kicked BB butts last year so we will just have to see how Samsung fares in the low end market.
    It's not competing with the Z10/Z3. It's competing with low end Android and Windows phones.
    02-07-15 08:18 AM
  16. howarmat's Avatar
    It's not competing with the Z10/Z3. It's competing with low end Android and Windows phones.
    I know, but he mentioned BB not having anything to worry about. Same was said of Windows as well
    02-07-15 08:20 AM
  17. birdman_38's Avatar
    Samsung is putting Tizen on any and all products they make. They're putting Tizen on their tv sets and are expanding to other products like media players. Either portable or blu-ray, they all will carry it. They have the ecosystem for it.
    Exactly. This is an important piece of the puzzle. Samsung is inviting developers to create apps for Tizen well before there's smartphone penetration. It's an interesting strategy to say the least.
    02-07-15 08:23 AM
  18. ADGrant's Avatar
    Exactly. This is an important piece of the puzzle. Samsung is inviting developers to create apps for Tizen well before there's smartphone penetration. It's an interesting strategy.
    Isn't BB and Microsoft doing the same thing. It's a "strategy" doomed to fail. Developers aren't going to waste their valuable time on platforms no one is buying.
    02-07-15 08:26 AM
  19. birdman_38's Avatar
    Isn't BB and Microsoft doing the same thing. It's a "strategy" doomed to fail. Developers aren't going to waste their valuable time on platforms no one is buying.
    BlackBerry didn't invite developers to create apps for BB10 devices other than handhelds as there aren't any. Microsoft released the Windows desktop store well after the Windows Phone store to cater to Windows 8 and Surface users.

    There is a huge market for Samsung smart TVs and a growing one for Gear smartwatches, both powered by Tizen.
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    02-07-15 08:46 AM
  20. ADGrant's Avatar
    BlackBerry didn't invite developers to create apps for BB10 devices other than handhelds as there aren't any. Microsoft released the Windows desktop store well after the Windows Phone store to cater to Windows 8 and Surface users.

    There is a huge market for Samsung smart TVs and a growing one for Gear smartwatches, both powered by Tizen.
    How huge? How many Tizen TVs have consumers actually bought?

    Ironically Samsung's Tizen watch is not supported by its Tizen phones.
    02-07-15 08:52 AM
  21. TGR1's Avatar
    Not really. Samsung is putting tizen on any and all products they make. They're putting tizen on their tv sets and are expanding to other products like media players. Either portable or blu-ray, they all will carry it. They have the eco system for it.

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    Does Samsung even have a cohesive corporate strategy? That is what I understood they are doing with Android. Or will they do that only in developing nations, so that they will have two "integrated" IoT solutions for different markets?

    If the latter, they are going to run smack into Xiaomi, I believe.
    02-07-15 02:27 PM
  22. birdman_38's Avatar
    Does Samsung even have a cohesive corporate strategy?
    Why wouldn't they? Samsung is still the largest Android manufacturer in the world.
    02-09-15 03:04 PM
  23. Andrew4life's Avatar
    Tizen can become a new player, but it will not dethrone Android in the near future. People buy android for the. Google Services. One of the reasons BB10 is weak compared to a Google Android phone.

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    02-09-15 03:13 PM
  24. notfanboy's Avatar
    Tizen will have to prove that they can obtain a critical mass of market share before mainstream developers will even consider developing for it. If this market share is at BB10 levels, then the answer to the topic question is a definite no. In my opinion this critical mass is 10% market share or greater.
    02-09-15 03:31 PM
  25. DiVirus's Avatar
    Samsung releases Tizen phones with very low specs. They did not make it as competition to their own Galaxy line. It might thrive a bit in few countries where people mainly rely on low prices. I don't think anything big will come of it unless they decide to dump android all together from all phones.


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    02-09-15 03:37 PM
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