1. rickbansal's Avatar
    This is why the BB10 is so devastating:

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    RIMs Customers Working on Contingency Plans: Corporate Canada
    By Scott Moritz and Olga Kharif - Jul 8, 2012 11:01 PM CT


    Research In Motion Ltd. (RIMM) customers from GoDaddy Group Inc. to asset manager Thames River Capital UK Ltd. are preparing for the worst: the loss of the BlackBerry service their employees depend on to communicate.

    RIMs stock has slumped more than 70 percent in the past year, and tumbled 19 percent on June 29 after the company posted a quarterly loss and delayed the BlackBerry 10 operating system, increasing the pressure on RIM to find a buyer or sell assets. While RIM has built infrastructure to ensure continued service, some customers are devising backup plans as RIM prepares to face shareholders at its annual meeting tomorrow.
    Enlarge image RIMs Customers Working on Contingency Plans

    Corporate customers, the backbone of RIMs business, are fortifying contingency plans so they wont be affected by a possible breakup of BlackBerry-maker Research In Motion Ltd., or other setbacks. Photographer: Simon Dawson/Bloomberg

    In the past three months theres been a lot of concern that the BlackBerry platform wont be around in the future, said Maribel Lopez, founder of Lopez Research, a wireless- industry consultant based in San Francisco. Its not unheard of for a large phone manufacturer to go out of business.

    Corporate customers, the backbone of RIMs business, are fortifying contingency plans so they wont be affected by a possible breakup of the BlackBerry-maker or other setbacks. With millions of employees connecting to the office through mobile e- mail, companies have been eager to establish a fallback or replacement plan, said Avi Greengart, a technology research director at Current Analysis.

    Thames River Capital supplies about 140 of its 170 employees with smartphones, most of them BlackBerrys, said Robert Cockerill, head of infrastructure at the London-based money manager. With the delay of BlackBerry 10 and a service contract with RIM expiring this year, Cockerill said he expects much of his staff to switch to Apple Inc.s (AAPL) iPhone or devices based on Google Inc.s Android platform.
    Service Disruption

    Cockerill has brought in MobileIron Inc., a Mountain View, California-based developer of software that helps companies manage and protect data on mobile devices and tablets. MobileIron provides security for Thames River Capital including encryption and password protection for non-BlackBerry devices such as iPads, he said.

    Thames River Capital is preparing for scenarios where BlackBerry service may be shut down, disrupted, or if a competitor such as Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) acquires RIM and converts the operating system to its Exchange e-mail service, he said.

    There is a risk of RIM getting bought, Cockerill said in an interview. But if you have the right support you can be agnostic and it wont really matter.

    MobileIron Chief Executive Officer Bob Tinker said his customer list includes 100 Fortune 500 companies, and about a quarter of those customers are financial services firms.
    Embrace Innovation

    Large enterprises dont want to be locked in with a single vendor anymore, Tinker said in an interview. Customers want to embrace all the innovation in mobile and RIMs delay of BlackBerry 10 doesnt help that, he said.

    CIOs are now asking us: What do we do if RIM gets acquired or if they restructure, said Tinker.

    Norton Rose LLP, a law firm with 6,000 BlackBerry-equipped employees, is using MobileIrons software to support iPhones and iPads, which were given to some staff members as secondary devices, said Vlad Botic, group enterprise architect at the London-based firm.

    Botic, who said Norton Rose would like to continue using BlackBerrys, began exploring alternatives last year after the three-day BlackBerry outage that caused users around the world to lose data services amid a network failure.

    RIM isnt in a good position right now, Botic said in an interview. The problem with BlackBerry, which was highlighted when the service went down, was that the only way to solve it is with an entirely new device.
    Significant Outage

    While the chance of BlackBerry service getting shut down is slim, Botic said he has scheduled a meeting with RIM this week to seek assurances that there wont be a disruption in the event of a takeover.

    GoDaddy, an Internet domain-name and hosting company, could switch users to iPhone or Android devices within hours, said Auguste Goldman, chief infrastructure officer at the Scottsdale, Arizona-based company.

    In the event of a significant outage for BlackBerry devices, GoDaddy has a plan to migrate users to other platforms, Goldman said in an interview.

    The BlackBerry infrastructure and services are among our most valuable assets, said Nick Manning, a spokesman for Waterloo, Ontario-based RIM. BlackBerry customers depend on our robust network and they can continue to depend on it going forward.
    iPhone, Android

    Six staffers at Nationwide Mutual Insurance Co. first began planning for the possibility of a disruption in BlackBerry service last year. To prepare, Nationwide retained Good Technology Inc., whose software for servers and phones can provide secure corporate e-mail and calendar services to iPhones and Android devices.

    You could see that RIM started to decline, Robert Burkhart, director of new technology innovation at Nationwide, said in an interview.

    Today, the number of BlackBerrys Nationwide associates use is down to 7,000 from about 8,500 a year ago, while the number of non-BlackBerry devices used has risen from zero to 4,450, Burkhart said.

    We are well on our way to having a dual environment, so if RIM did go out, wed be okay, Burkhart said. If people are starting contingency plans now, they are behind the eight ball. They should have been looking at this all along.

    Good Technology, which works with 4,000 corporate customers worldwide, including eight of the top 10 financial services companies, has seen an inflow of customers concerned about RIMs prospects and making contingency plans.
    Contingency Plans

    Weve had two meetings this month with large financial services firms on this topic, Brian Carr, senior vice president of worldwide sales at Sunnyvale, California-based Good Technology, said in an interview. In the last year, I talked with half of Fortune 100 companies, and its a concern for all of them. Every single one of them is looking at contingency plans.

    The concerns are prompting many companies to speed up their transition from BlackBerries to other types of mobile devices, Carr said.

    RIM has struggled to keep up with Apples iPhone and devices based on Googles (GOOG) Android platform. Last month, RIM said it would cut 5,000 jobs and posted a quarterly loss that was five times bigger than projected. Sales last quarter plunged 43 percent as RIMs share of the global smartphone industry fell by more than half to 6.4 percent in the first three months of the year, according to research firm IDC.
    BlackBerry Migration

    RIMs situation is dire, but even in a worst-case scenario, RIMs servers arent likely to get turned off anytime soon, said Current Analysiss Greengart. Still, IT managers are looking more seriously at alternatives to BlackBerry. Theres a whole industry ready to provide security and management around Apple and Android, he said.

    The migration from BlackBerrys started two years ago for Ken Lawonn, senior vice president of strategy and technology at Alegent Health, an Omaha, Nebraska-based health-care provider.

    The shift was prompted by user preferences, rather than concerns about the future of RIM, said Lawonn who uses Good Technologys software. The number of Alegents 300 smartphone users with BlackBerrys has shrunk to 10 percent from about 50 percent two years ago, he said.

    Should something occur, we believe thats going to be a fairly easy transition, Lawonn said. If my BlackBerry broke down, Id look at the options, and if a BlackBerry wasnt available, Id pick up an iPhone and be on my way.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Scott Moritz in New York at smoritz6@bloomberg.net; Olga Kharif in Portland at okharif@bloomberg.net
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    Bloomberg article
    07-09-12 04:36 AM
  2. dark0ne_'s Avatar
    I thing this will pass very soon,because there should be buyers and probably RIM will be saved,but I am not sure what will happen with BB original OS,BB services,witch i love. For example if Microsoft acquires RIM,they probably would set their ms exchange and windows os for the new devices.....so there would be no RIM like we know it. I hope this won't happen.

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    07-09-12 04:52 AM
  3. rickbansal's Avatar
    I thing this will pass very soon,because there should be buyers and probably RIM will be saved,but I am not sure what will happen with BB original OS,BB services,witch i love. For example if Microsoft acquires RIM,they probably would set their ms exchange and windows os for the new devices.....so there would be no RIM like we know it. I hope this won't happen.

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    I'm hoping Amazon buys RIM. I think that's the only way BB10 and previous versions of BBOS survive.
    07-09-12 05:21 AM
  4. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    These corporations (those involved in BB fleet) would probably strongly consider the mobile fusion suite. It includes a fallback strategy as it manages other devices (APPL, ADroid) while maintaining the existing park of BBs.
    07-09-12 05:24 AM
  5. dark0ne_'s Avatar
    I'm hoping Amazon buys RIM. I think that's the only way BB10 and previous versions of BBOS survive.

    I think that is possible, because Microsoft will destroy completely all BB platforms. I have checked a topic about bb 10,the piracy and e.t.c.....maybe there is a chance with these new Fuzion project....

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    07-09-12 07:20 AM
  6. sinsin07's Avatar
    These corporations (those involved in BB fleet) would probably strongly consider the mobile fusion suite. It includes a fallback strategy as it manages other devices (APPL, ADroid) while maintaining the existing park of BBs.
    You are missing the point. They are looking for a fall back, not to dig in deeper with yet another RIM product.
    07-09-12 07:25 AM
  7. JasW's Avatar
    These corporations (those involved in BB fleet) would probably strongly consider the mobile fusion suite. It includes a fallback strategy as it manages other devices (APPL, ADroid) while maintaining the existing park of BBs.
    Companies already have server software that supports iPhones and Androids, e.g., Good Technology, etc. The only way they would put Mobile Fusion on is to support BES for BB10. (They're certainly not doing so now, at least not for the PlayBook.)

    The question is going to be how many companies anticipate the release of BB10 by installing Mobile Fusion. Those companies on a BB program -- who issue BBs to their employees -- might do this. But others who let employees use their own devices would seem less likely to install Mobile Fusion ahead of time. And no one is going to buy a BB10 device if their company's server software doesn't support it.
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    07-09-12 08:05 AM
  8. kbz1960's Avatar
    So good locks bb out? Or RIM locks good out?
    07-09-12 08:12 AM
  9. avt123's Avatar
    It's good to see that these companies aren't going to wait till the last minute to make moves. I don't think RIM will be gone soon, but you never know and it is always better to be safe than sorry in this situation.
    07-09-12 08:32 AM
  10. JasW's Avatar
    So good locks bb out? Or RIM locks good out?
    Well, Good is not going to lock BB out. If a company wants to support BB10 on BES, then they'll have to get Mobile Fusion. The question is what they are going to do with Mobile Fusion and other devices -- switch all of the Apple and Android users over to Mobile Fusion and lose Good, or keep them both You'd think it would be more cost effective to lose Good. But if they've already have Good or Mobiletron and the like set up -- and have little faith in RIM's long term survival -- they would probably just use Mobile Fusion for BB10 devices. That is of course if there is sufficient demand. In a BYOD company that only supports current BB devices, they might just say, get an iPhone or Android -- we're not supporting any new BBs.
    07-09-12 08:36 AM
  11. zzbsb's Avatar
    That is one of the biggest challenges RIM has to face: customers are losing trust in them. with them goind down hill this fast, a lot of companies have to consider the alternatives just in case. My company is doing the same thing. We have talked about this topic within our IT team several teams. Since there will be no new product this year, I can't really see how RIM can restore the trust this year. They'll have to wait till the BB10 coming out to have a chance. Before that, their market share will continue to decline fast. RIM can do all the nice talks this year, but what really matters is when the BB10 is going to be released and how good they can be against the competitions.
    07-09-12 08:38 AM
  12. kbz1960's Avatar
    Well, Good is not going to lock BB out. If a company wants to support BB10 on BES, then they'll have to get Mobile Fusion. The question is what they are going to do with Mobile Fusion and other devices -- switch all of the Apple and Android users over to Mobile Fusion and lose Good, or keep them both You'd think it would be more cost effective to lose Good. But if they've already have Good or Mobiletron and the like set up -- and have little faith in RIM's long term survival -- they would probably just use Mobile Fusion for BB10 devices. That is of course if there is sufficient demand. In a BYOD company that only supports current BB devices, they might just say, get an iPhone or Android -- we're not supporting any new BBs.
    Even if a bb10 phone will work using good instead of BES? So even if someone want to byod a bb they will be told no?
    07-09-12 08:40 AM
  13. zzbsb's Avatar
    These corporations (those involved in BB fleet) would probably strongly consider the mobile fusion suite. It includes a fallback strategy as it manages other devices (APPL, ADroid) while maintaining the existing park of BBs.
    We were considering Mobile Fusion, but not anymore. We don't want to spend money and effort into a product just to find out couple years down the road the company that makes it is gone. I'm not saying it's for sure what will happen to RIM but there's a potential risk there.
    07-09-12 08:42 AM
  14. JasW's Avatar
    Even if a bb10 phone will work using good instead of BES? So even if someone want to byod a bb they will be told no?
    I don't know if a BB10 device would work using Good -- you're out of BES territory there, which is an odd thing if you are used to the implementation work email on BBs via BES. You'd have a BB with what is essentially the equivalent of a Gmail app for work (that's how Good is implemented on iPhones I've seen).

    People were told for years that they couldn't use an iPhone for work email, so there could be an interim period where IT departments gauge demand for BB10 devices. Demand built and built with the iPhone and the IT departments caved. Frankly, I don't see the same thign happening with BB10 devices. But who knows how this will all play out.
    07-09-12 08:57 AM
  15. lnichols's Avatar
    RIM should be giving away Mobile Fusion to anyone who currently has a BES, and giving them licenses equivalents of their old BB CALs to manage BB10 and Playbook devices only. Make the companies by licenses to manage Apple and Androids. It is bad enough that you have to install a new server infrastructure to make BB10 work, but that RIM, in it's current position expects people to invest heavily in more infrastructure from them is simply bad business at this point. They have to prove that both they and BB10 will be around in the future before they can charge customers for the privilege to use BB10 in the enterprise IMHO. Again I would like to see Mobile Fusion be ran on a BB10 based Network Appliance that you pull out of the box, give it a couple of IP addresses, and you are up and running BB10 device management and aggregation in minutes.
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    07-09-12 08:58 AM
  16. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    Or one of the top ranked, top selling MYOD products, such as ...
    With Fusion not even being listed in the challengers ? Can you provide a link please ? This looks quite outdated ...

    The only way they would put Mobile Fusion on is to support BES for BB10. (They're certainly not doing so now, at least not for the PlayBook.)
    I believe Mobile Fusion is device OS independent and can already run with PB OS 2.x. and former BB OSes.
    It will support BB10 as well. We have no clue of how BB10 will work with previous BES environments (updates, upgrades, as-is ?) ... or maybe you have some links to provide ?

    It is bad enough that you have to install a new server infrastructure to make BB10 work
    Almost same questions than above: where has it been stated that BB10 will require a new infrastructure on a "equal service than before" basis ? I mean Mobile Fusion/ Balance brings new features and BB10 is not the mandatory reason to invest in. Add that I'm not aware that BB10 will not run with current BES servers (provided BB10 supports BES Encryption which seems very likely) ...
    Some links very welcome.


    Well, Good is not going to lock BB out. If a company wants to support BB10 on BES, then they'll have to get Mobile Fusion. The question is what they are going to do with Mobile Fusion and other devices -- switch all of the Apple and Android users over to Mobile Fusion and lose Good, or keep them both You'd think it would be more cost effective to lose Good. But if they've already have Good or Mobiletron and the like set up -- and have little faith in RIM's long term survival -- they would probably just use Mobile Fusion for BB10 devices. That is of course if there is sufficient demand. In a BYOD company that only supports current BB devices, they might just say, get an iPhone or Android -- we're not supporting any new BBs.
    ... ahum ... counting your IFs ...
    The article was about losing actual loyal (corporate) users, not about "what choice do I have if I plan to manage my BYOD from scratch". Seems that it went out of sight here ...
    Last edited by Superfly_FR; 07-09-12 at 09:24 AM.
    07-09-12 09:03 AM
  17. JasW's Avatar
    RIM should be giving away Mobile Fusion to anyone who currently has a BES, and giving them licenses equivalents of their old BB CALs to manage BB10 and Playbook devices only. Make the companies by licenses to manage Apple and Androids. It is bad enough that you have to install a new server infrastructure to make BB10 work, but that RIM, in it's current position expects people to invest heavily in more infrastructure from them is simply bad business at this point. They have to prove that both they and BB10 will be around in the future before they can charge customers for the privilege to use BB10 in the enterprise IMHO. Again I would like to see Mobile Fusion be ran on a BB10 based Network Appliance that you pull out of the box, give it a couple of IP addresses, and you are up and running BB10 device management and aggregation in minutes.
    RIM is already giving away Mobile Fusion on a 60-day free trial with 20 CALs.
    07-09-12 09:07 AM
  18. mrfreetruth's Avatar
    RIMs Customers Working on Contingency Plans: Corporate Canada


    lol....article is pure bunk and IMO a paid article for the weak minded. The best of the best once again picked the best .... US-defence-approves-blackberry-7-smartphones. I am sure GoDaddy Group Inc...WHO? is worried?? LOL

    US Defence approves BlackBerry 7 smartphones - Hardware - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au
    07-09-12 10:16 AM
  19. manofice1's Avatar
    Pretty sure you need mobile fusion to manage BB10 devices using the blackberry device service and then using the universal device service for ios and android.

    I don't think Good or Mobile Iron will be able to manage BB10 devices.

    So for corporate customers, you can manage your BES through mobile fusion as well using Mobile Fusion Studio.

    It's all for free you just have to pay for your CALs like you do with BES already.
    07-09-12 10:32 AM
  20. sinsin07's Avatar
    RIMs Customers Working on Contingency Plans: Corporate Canada


    lol....article is pure bunk and IMO a paid article for the weak minded. The best of the best once again picked the best .... US-defence-approves-blackberry-7-smartphones. I am sure GoDaddy Group Inc...WHO? is worried?? LOL

    US Defence approves BlackBerry 7 smartphones - Hardware - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au
    There appears to be more bunk in your post than there is in the article.

    What does an article from May about the US Defense adopting BB7 have to do with corps developing contingency plans in the event BB service becomes unavailable?
    07-09-12 10:33 AM
  21. lnichols's Avatar
    Almost same questions than above: where has it been stated that BB10 will require a new infrastructure on a "equal service than before" basis ? I mean Mobile Fusion/ Balance brings new features and BB10 is not the mandatory reason to invest in. Add that I'm not aware that BB10 will not run with current BES servers (provided BB10 supports BES Encryption which seems very likely) ...
    Some links very welcome.
    Introducing BlackBerry Device Service for BlackBerry Mobile Fusion Inside BlackBerry for Business Blog

    RIM is already giving away Mobile Fusion on a 60-day free trial with 20 CALs.
    I'm not talking trial, I'm talking give them full working.
    07-09-12 12:30 PM
  22. zar1964's Avatar
    No one is buying RIM and I wish the media will STOP!!

    The RIMpire will DEFEAT the darkside (media)
    07-09-12 01:45 PM
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