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  1. conite's Avatar
    They should have launched in 2012 Absolute Minimum. At that time, they had sizable market share. Waiting another year killed the company. Not to mention. Utter garbage Marketing and releasing 2 year old Spec'ed phones for a premium.

    BB10 remains the leader in modernization and is technologically superior over anything today. Unfortunately the majority will never know this.

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    The game was already up by 2009. The ecosystem wars had been won, and developers had no use for a third.

    BB10 offered something different, but not better. Some technical choices were not well suited to a mobile OS, and some of the coding was pretty messy.
    08-08-17 04:55 PM
  2. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    They should have launched in 2012 Absolute Minimum. At that time, they had sizable market share. Waiting another year killed the company. Not to mention. Utter garbage Marketing and releasing 2 year old Spec'ed phones for a premium.

    BB10 remains the leader in modernization and is technologically superior over anything today. Unfortunately the majority will never know this.

    Posted via CB10
    Even if they owned Android in 2009 it wouldn't have mattered because they would have starved the company of cash flow. Each device moved off the pre-BB10 software (BBOS 5,6,7) gave BlackBerry cash flow/ profit to carrier as carrier data revenue/profit. The move to anything post BBOS was doomed to failure.
    08-08-17 05:24 PM
  3. Invictus0's Avatar
    The game was already up by 2009. The ecosystem wars had been won, and developers had no use for a third.

    BB10 offered something different, but not better. Some technical choices were not well suited to a mobile OS, and some of the coding was pretty messy.
    The market was still too crowded in 2009, not to mention Android marketshare was less than 5% at the time. I doubt developers were jumping from large platforms like Symbian or growing platforms like BBOS to crown iOS and Android as the sole contenders just yet.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Mobile Phone Sales to End Users Grew 8 Per Cent in Fourth Quarter 2009; Market Remained Flat in 2009

    2012/2013 are better indicators,

    Gartner Says Annual Smartphone Sales Surpassed Sales of Feature Phones for the First Time in 2013
    08-08-17 08:24 PM
  4. conite's Avatar
    The market was still too crowded in 2009, not to mention Android marketshare was less than 5% at the time. I doubt developers were jumping from large platforms like Symbian or growing platforms like BBOS to crown iOS and Android as the sole contenders just yet.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Mobile Phone Sales to End Users Grew 8 Per Cent in Fourth Quarter 2009; Market Remained Flat in 2009

    2012/2013 are better indicators,

    Gartner Says Annual Smartphone Sales Surpassed Sales of Feature Phones for the First Time in 2013
    By 2010, android and iOS had about 66% of the smartphone market (I don't include Symbian).

    By 2011, it was well over 80%.

    But the Appstore and Play Store were already well established, and generated much of that growth. Excitement was there for developers and they all piled on in 2009.

    Even if BB10 had been on the ground floor in 2009, I don't think they would have had much of a chance against those giants anyway.
    08-08-17 08:34 PM
  5. Invictus0's Avatar
    By 2010, android and iOS had about 66% of the smartphone market (I don't include Symbian).

    By 2011, it was well over 80%.

    But the Appstore and Play Store were already well established, and generated much of that growth. Excitement was there for developers and they all piled on in 2009.

    Even if BB10 had been on the ground floor in 2009, I don't think they would have had much of a chance against those giants anyway.
    Can you provide a link to those numbers? According to Gartner the combined marketshare of iOS and Android in 2010 was still less than 40%. I don't think it's fair to exclude Symbian either, despite its declining marketshare the platform was still receiving noteworthy OS updates and device releases (including flagships) into 2012.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Mobile Device Sales to End Users Reached 1.6 Billion Units in 2010; Smartphone Sales Grew 72 Percent in 2010

    From a developers perspective, BlackBerry (and even Microsoft) were definitely playing catchup compared to Apple and Google. Despite that, BB World was still noteworthy (especially for revenue),

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/2012/0...1347886677000/

    Realistically though, without a upgraded BIS type service for BB10 I think the platform would have had a hard time regardless of when it released. It was a big revenue generator for BlackBerry and a great value/differentiator for consumers.
    08-08-17 09:58 PM
  6. conite's Avatar
    Can you provide a link to those numbers? According to Gartner the combined marketshare of iOS and Android in 2010 was still less than 40%. I don't think it's fair to exclude Symbian either, despite its declining marketshare the platform was still receiving noteworthy OS updates and device releases (including flagships) into 2012.

    Gartner Says Worldwide Mobile Device Sales to End Users Reached 1.6 Billion Units in 2010; Smartphone Sales Grew 72 Percent in 2010

    From a developers perspective, BlackBerry (and even Microsoft) were definitely playing catchup compared to Apple and Google. Despite that, BB World was still noteworthy (especially for revenue),

    https://www.technobuffalo.com/2012/0...1347886677000/

    Realistically though, without a upgraded BIS type service for BB10 I think the platform would have had a hard time regardless of when it released. It was a big revenue generator for BlackBerry and a great value/differentiator for consumers.
    I ignore Symbian in 2009/10 as it was essentially an enhanced PDA OS, and was already in its death throws, with no way to further evolve.
    08-08-17 10:07 PM
  7. Rodrigo Lourenco's Avatar
    conite

    Did you jump out of the boat or, you still have a bb10 phone, when to use in private?
    10-19-17 07:27 AM
  8. conite's Avatar
    conite

    Did you jump out of the boat or, you still have a bb10 phone, when to use in private?
    I use the KEYᵒⁿᵉ as my primary device, but still have and tinker with a number of BB10 phones.
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    10-19-17 07:31 AM
  9. Rodrigo Lourenco's Avatar
    I ignore Symbian in 2009/10 as it was essentially an enhanced PDA OS, and was already in its death throws, with no way to further evolve.
    Anybody can make serious conclusions?

    - BB10 - expected timelife supported and not supported;
    - BB10 new phones - yes/no probalities 20%/80% ??
    - Whatsapp - ends or not?
    - dropbox is comimg back or not
    - facebook is coming back or not
    - others are coming back or not?
    - Android run time update - yes/no probalities 1%/99%??
    - Passport with android yes/no probalities 10%/90%??
    - and so on...

    We need to make decisions. I 've my passport and keyone (for the second time) online!
    10-19-17 07:33 AM
  10. conite's Avatar
    Anybody can make serious conclusions?

    - BB10 - expected timelife supported and not supported;
    - BB10 new phones - yes/no probalities 20%/80% ??
    - Whatsapp - ends or not?
    - dropbox is comimg back or not
    - facebook is coming back or not
    - others are coming back or not?
    - Android run time update - yes/no probalities 1%/99%??
    - Passport with android yes/no probalities 10%/90%??
    - and so on...

    We need to make decisions. I 've my passport and keyone (for the second time) online!
    BB10 has not seen an update in almost a year. Don't expect anything else.

    New BB10 phones: 0%

    WhatsApp, Facebook, DropBox: gone forever

    Android Runtime update: 0%
    Rodrigo Lourenco likes this.
    10-19-17 07:37 AM
  11. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    and so on...
    The likelihood any of that happening is 0.01% or less. If you want something for the future, BB10 is not an option.
    10-19-17 07:40 AM
  12. Rodrigo Lourenco's Avatar
    Keyone is a pain! Some many traps, so many ways to do a simple thing... 3 months to ajust?
    10-20-17 07:02 AM
  13. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    Anybody can make serious conclusions?

    - BB10 - expected timelife supported and not supported;
    - BB10 new phones - yes/no probalities 20%/80% ??
    - Whatsapp - ends or not?
    - dropbox is comimg back or not
    - facebook is coming back or not
    - others are coming back or not?
    - Android run time update - yes/no probalities 1%/99%??
    - Passport with android yes/no probalities 10%/90%??
    - and so on...

    We need to make decisions. I 've my passport and keyone (for the second time) online!
    Never say never, but it's about as close to never as you can get with all of these points. It will take a divine intervention for BlackBerry to even touch BB10 again.

     Posted via my Red Passport SQW100-1/10.3.3.2163  pin:2C09CE92
    Rodrigo Lourenco likes this.
    10-20-17 07:12 AM
  14. kvndoom's Avatar
    Never say never, but it's about as close to never as you can get with all of these points. It will take a divine intervention for BlackBerry to even touch BB10 again.

     Posted via my Red Passport SQW100-1/10.3.3.2163  pin:2C09CE92
    Okay, I won't say never. I will say that the chance is 1/∞
    10-20-17 07:57 AM
  15. johnny_bravo72's Avatar
    Okay, I won't say never. I will say that the chance is 1/∞
    Sooo...
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    Azer27 likes this.
    10-20-17 08:21 AM
  16. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Sooo...
    I think even after BlackBerry officially post that BB10.3 is EOL..... many will still think there is a chance. And it seems we are getting a number of new users - either thanks to "new" hardware finally falling to within some users budgets, or corporate devices being sent to the aftermarket to get new lives.
    10-20-17 08:39 AM
  17. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Well, my plan had been to keep a few BB10 devices around for use as email/BBM interfaces, using WiFi only, but the KRACK vulnerability is throwing a huge monkey wrench into that plan!

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    10-20-17 08:45 AM
  18. Akhil Jose Varickamakkal's Avatar
    Sooo...
    One in a million, eh?

    Posted via CB10
    10-22-17 07:09 AM
  19. emanuel0ss0's Avatar
    Well, my plan had been to keep a few BB10 devices around for use as email/BBM interfaces, using WiFi only, but the KRACK vulnerability is throwing a huge monkey wrench into that plan!

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Blend is super clutch as well. Still using it almost every day. I wish it was still being updated, but it's functionality is awesome the way it is now.



     Posted via my Red Passport SQW100-1/10.3.3.2163  pin:2C09CE92
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    11-07-17 07:56 AM
  20. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Blend is super clutch as well. Still using it almost every day. I wish it was still being updated, but it's functionality is awesome the way it is now.



     Posted via my Red Passport SQW100-1/10.3.3.2163  pin:2C09CE92
    Glad it's still functional for you.... it was a really great tool for using your phone at work.
    11-10-17 10:35 AM
  21. ezubeBB2013's Avatar
    Keyone is a pain! Some many traps, so many ways to do a simple thing... 3 months to ajust?
    Fully agree! That's android. A messy playpen!

    Posted via BlackBerry Passport
    11-18-17 05:34 AM
  22. Azer27's Avatar
    if you remember when the very first time when we saw the Priv at MWC it was running on BB10, how it could be great to get Priv with OS10

    Posted via my BlackBerry PRIV
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    11-19-17 01:13 PM
  23. brookie229's Avatar
    it was running on BB10,
    No, it was not running BB10. That was just a painted-on cover or mock screen.
    11-19-17 01:21 PM
  24. Azer27's Avatar
    I thought that was BB10. How great it could be. I always think there must be any way to rise BB10.

    Posted via CB10
    11-19-17 01:44 PM
  25. joeldf's Avatar
    Yeah. It was a mock-up with a backlit printout of a BB10 screen. BlackBerry was in negotiations with Google at the time and couldn't say anything about it yet. The Priv was Ron Louks' android baby from the beginning. Look at how Ron is holding that mock-up, big ol' thumbs all over the screen, and the icons didn't move a bit.

    What would normally happen when you hold your finger on a real BB10 screen for more than a few seconds? The icons pulse with little trashcans and you can move them around very easily.
    11-19-17 01:44 PM
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