11-03-13 10:35 AM
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  1. coffee-turtle's Avatar
    All smartphones are expensive. We shouldn't just say This one BlackBerry device is. I wish all smartphones were cheaper across the board. Maybe if us as consumers weren't so willing to she'll out the loot, that would force all manufacturers to slice prices...maybe a little.

    We're paying too much for Apple, Samsung, Etc. Would love to know the percentage of profit manufacturers and carriers are making over the cost to manufacture and put out the phones.
    10-04-13 04:54 PM
  2. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    All smartphones are expensive. We shouldn't just say This one BlackBerry device is. I wish all smartphones were cheaper across the board. Maybe if us as consumers weren't so willing to she'll out the loot, that would force all manufacturers to slice prices...maybe a little.

    We're paying too much for Apple, Samsung, Etc. Would love to know the percentage of profit manufacturers and carriers are making over the cost to manufacture and put out the phones.
    The Nexus 5 will have better specs than the Z30 and costs half of it...
    So yes, I can say that the BlackBerry is far too expensive.

    As a whole, you definitely aren't wrong though.
    Did some people never ask themselves, why a tablet that has a 10 inch screen and better specs, costs less than a phone?

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    10-04-13 05:18 PM
  3. farside33's Avatar
    Over $150 cheaper than a 16GB iPhone 5S

    This is a good price point.

    BlackBerry & Nintendo Alliance. Bring Pokmon to BlackBerry 10.
    Actually the 16 GB 5S is only $650. It is the 64 GB model that is $850.

    Very poor starting price point given current public opinion of BB.

    As others have mentioned at a price point of $350 - $450 may attract more buyers. At $400 I would probably purchase one to use when traveling internationally where I only need a phone for communications purposes (phone, BBM, and e-mail) and light gaming.

    At $700 I will pass and continue to use my primary device.
    10-04-13 06:18 PM
  4. Rickroller's Avatar
    This is laughable....the "average" person, which you seem to think you somehow speak for, would not have any clue has to what "specs" are on a smartphone, or how those "specs" would have an effect on performance. The "average" person doesn't even know how to use half the capability of their device, even after two years with the device. The "average" consumer gets duped into paying top dollar for "top of the line specs" that make marginal, if any actual performance enhancements. So let's just stop equating "specs" with quality. Personally, I think it would be wise for BlackBerry to not even bother trying to win over the "average" person by offering dumbed down software and equipment. Leave the idiotic "spec" schemes and over hyped app wars for the "average" people and make devices geared towards people who actually know what they are buying and how to actually use it......oh, wait...they've already said that is the direction they wish to go....
    This is where the folks selling phones come in to the picture. And the reason we see so many "Whaa..Best Buy rep tried to sell me an Android!" posts. Because while the average user might not know all these things..you can be assured most retailers will. And when they start comparing them and breaking them down to the average user..most people are going to go with the most bang for their buck.

    Not to mention most people assume BBRY is a soon to be extinct company and may want to invest their hard earned $$ in something that will definitely still be here next year.

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    10-04-13 06:35 PM
  5. CrackedBarry's Avatar
    This is laughable....the "average" person, which you seem to think you somehow speak for, would not have any clue has to what "specs" are on a smartphone
    Now granted, I dont know how things are where you live, (though from the sound of it, and your description of regular folks, it sounds like a significant majority of the population is lobotomized...) but in all carrier and cellphone stores I've been to, the specs, or at least a part of them, is listed right next to the price of the phone, on the price tag: eg "Quad Core, 1.5 Ghz, 8mp camera".

    It doesn't take much, for people to figure out that ghz is speed and need to be higher, and "core" is like the engine of a car, the more the merrier. They know this from buying computers, and if not, they'll ask and the salesperson will explain it.

    People are a lot smarter than fanboys of all stripes give them credit for.
    10-05-13 04:18 AM
  6. BB_Junky's Avatar
    I have 265 apps and games on my z10.

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    4 which are useful

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    10-05-13 09:04 AM
  7. Vorkosigan's Avatar
    Now granted, I dont know how things are where you live, (though from the sound of it, and your description of regular folks, it sounds like a significant majority of the population is lobotomized...) but in all carrier and cellphone stores I've been to, the specs, or at least a part of them, is listed right next to the price of the phone, on the price tag: eg "Quad Core, 1.5 Ghz, 8mp camera".

    It doesn't take much, for people to figure out that ghz is speed and need to be higher, and "core" is like the engine of a car, the more the merrier. They know this from buying computers, and if not, they'll ask and the salesperson will explain it.

    People are a lot smarter than fanboys of all stripes give them credit for.
    No. No they're not. I used to think so until I started having to deal, every single day, with people who don't know how to attach pictures to email, can't uninstall a program, download software without getting all those annoying toolbars, set up email on their phones, etc. For the first time in my life I'm starting to dread going into work. Truly sad thing is this has happened because I was moved to marketing to take over for a mat leave in our main office and the tech stuff somehow falls under the marketing branch. I couldn't believe how stupid the average person could be about tech until I actually dealt with them.

    They will put complete faith in whatever they are told by the person they trust the most. Whether that's their best friend who has an iPhone or the phone rep who recommends an Android. They have literally not a clue how much memory their phone has, they might know their camera's mp.

    They also put trust in the media. So all the 'BlackBerry are dead' stories make their impact too.

    All that said - I believe BlackBerry isn't far off with their pricing. People believe deep down that you have to pay for value. Everyone wants a deal but they really believe that if you want quality you have to pay for it. The worst thing BlackBerry could do for their brand would be to price at firesale prices out of the gate. It would make the few who were going to buy anyway happy, but their perceived value by the general public would go down. If they are to recover, they need to be seen as always having been a high end phone maker. Even if, perhaps especially if, they are focusing on the business consumer.

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    10-05-13 12:17 PM
  8. bobauckland's Avatar
    No. No they're not. I used to think so until I started having to deal, every single day, with people who don't know how to attach pictures to email, can't uninstall a program, download software without getting all those annoying toolbars, set up email on their phones, etc. For the first time in my life I'm starting to dread going into work. Truly sad thing is this has happened because I was moved to marketing to take over for a mat leave in our main office and the tech stuff somehow falls under the marketing branch. I couldn't believe how stupid the average person could be about tech until I actually dealt with them.

    They will put complete faith in whatever they are told by the person they trust the most. Whether that's their best friend who has an iPhone or the phone rep who recommends an Android. They have literally not a clue how much memory their phone has, they might know their camera's mp.

    They also put trust in the media. So all the 'BlackBerry are dead' stories make their impact too.

    All that said - I believe BlackBerry isn't far off with their pricing. People believe deep down that you have to pay for value. Everyone wants a deal but they really believe that if you want quality you have to pay for it. The worst thing BlackBerry could do for their brand would be to price at firesale prices out of the gate. It would make the few who were going to buy anyway happy, but their perceived value by the general public would go down. If they are to recover, they need to be seen as always having been a high end phone maker. Even if, perhaps especially if, they are focusing on the business consumer.

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    An expensive phone that holds it's value is respected.
    An expensive phone that depreciates quickly and is then firesaled before you're 6 months into a contract is regretted.
    10-05-13 01:35 PM
  9. oilgeo10's Avatar
    i am day by day getting confused,sometimes it feels like Z30 may be the last device from BB
    SOMETIMES?? . . . It will be!

    If there is another phone, it will come from BB remnants that someone else keeps together after acquisition, of the BlackBerry divisions. It will be under a new company name and most likely for business users only. Hopefully it will still have a QNX based OS behind it.

    I'll look at getting the Z30 for a discount, probably from eBay around the xmas season or after. As the last device in BlackBerry's long history, I think it will be a bit of a collectors item. And by most descriptions here, it is BB's best phone. Just too bad that it came too late from BB.

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    10-05-13 03:19 PM
  10. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    Did some people never ask themselves, why a tablet that has a 10 inch screen and better specs, costs less than a phone?
    Because it doesn't support telephony, and the ensuing licensing fees for the various hardware and technology rights owned by other companies.

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    10-05-13 03:37 PM
  11. DigitalMadness's Avatar
    And on BB10. Where you need 2 GB RAM, if you dont the device to be sluggish.
    Heck, even the newest version of Android runs fine on a 1 GB phone.

    But really...

    SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS?!?! For a device with last years CPU and screen?!?
    (It's the S4 dual core CPU that Android phones had last year, and mid range phones this year. The screen is also the 720p SAMOLED screen featuring an inflated pixel count you found on Android phones last year.)

    If they wanted this device to move at all, it should be priced at 449-499$, max. Perhaps 599 for a 64gb version.
    At 700$ it'll probably sell even worse than the Z10.

    It's like blackberry doesn't even try anymore...
    I would only agree with you only if z30 was running on android.

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    10-05-13 03:47 PM
  12. pythons's Avatar
    The Z30 should be absolutely no more then $279.00 off contract.....
    ..BBRY has lost it's right to dictate to the market what prices it's products can command.
    ..BBRY should have the smarts to realize this and act accordingly.
    10-05-13 04:41 PM
  13. m1a1mg's Avatar
    This is just like the Z10. We've had all these arguments in February and March. It's just a bigger phone and price. How'd the Z10 do?
    10-05-13 05:32 PM
  14. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Not really when you can get a higher spec'd phone (with a massive ecosystem) for the same or less S4 ($700), LG G2 ($650), SONY Z1 ($700).
    You mean the system that my brother's phone used, attracted a virus of some sort, lost money from his bank account?

    Believe me... cost him more than $700.

    BlackBerry Bold 9900; Q10; Z10
    10-06-13 08:07 AM
  15. Rickroller's Avatar
    You mean the system that my brother's phone used, attracted a virus of some sort, lost money from his bank account?

    Believe me... cost him more than $700.

    BlackBerry Bold 9900; Q10; Z10
    Please I'm calling FUD on this one

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    10-06-13 08:35 AM
  16. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    It's not hard to compromise bank details.

    BlackBerry Bold 9900; Q10; Z10
    10-06-13 01:53 PM
  17. BeautyEh's Avatar
    The Z30 should be absolutely no more then $279.00 off contract.....
    ..BBRY has lost it's right to dictate to the market what prices it's products can command.
    ..BBRY should have the smarts to realize this and act accordingly.
    Dude are you on the board of directors? Oh wait, you're not? Do you know what their cost is to manufacturer? Oh wait, you don't?
    So basically you have no idea what you're talking about, right?
    I mean maybe they should just give their phones away for free and become a socialist NGO or something right?

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    10-06-13 02:12 PM
  18. FFR's Avatar
    It's not hard to compromise bank details.

    BlackBerry Bold 9900; Q10; Z10
    Actually it is quite hard to compromise a bank account.
    10-06-13 02:31 PM
  19. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Actually it is quite hard to compromise a bank account.
    Haha, that made me sound dumb.

    I didn't quite mean that it 'was easy'.

    Never mind -_-

    BlackBerry & Nintendo Alliance. Bring Pokmon to BlackBerry 10.
    10-06-13 03:24 PM
  20. Hilman76's Avatar
    You mean the system that my brother's phone used, attracted a virus of some sort, lost money from his bank account?

    Believe me... cost him more than $700.

    BlackBerry Bold 9900; Q10; Z10
    I call BS, please elaborate on how this happened.






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    10-06-13 05:01 PM
  21. dannyd86's Avatar
    The average person doesn't care about specs, they care about which one runs better. Comparing the two phones, you wouldn't notice the difference in specs.

    Ecosystem is a different matter, I think the average person will buy a phone based on the ecosystem.

    I don't know where you buy your phones, but the stores I go to don't generally have the specs right next to the phone, the user will use the two phones, and see that they run about the same.

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    It doesn't necessarily even matter what is better, faster etc.

    I look at it like paying a higher price for less of a product. Obviously costs more money to make a iphone 5s or a G2. Too of the line hardware costs more. So if blackberry is using older hardware then we should get cheaper prices. Like the nexus line of devices for example. If the experience is good specs don't matter.

    But the experience isn't top of the game on blackberry, and the specs aren't top of the line yet we should pay top price? It's a joke. Actually it's obviously aimed at enterprise, cause a consumer can see through this crap

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    10-07-13 12:33 AM
  22. mset's Avatar
    The worst thing BlackBerry could do for their brand would be to price at firesale prices out of the gate. It would make the few who were going to buy anyway happy, but their perceived value by the general public would go down.
    And do you think this has happened to Google's Nexus franchise? Which is priced at half of what BBRY charges for a comparable phone? Please, no mention of Google's cost of production.

    By the way, I absolutely believe what you said about the average person being badly underinformed.
    Last edited by mset; 10-27-13 at 11:12 AM.
    10-25-13 11:02 PM
  23. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    Isn't it less than $700 now? Aren't people reporting non-contract prices of $599?
    10-25-13 11:16 PM
  24. DYLANHABKIRK's Avatar
    Isn't it less than $700 now? Aren't people reporting non-contract prices of $599?
    Rogers and Telus are offering the phone for $599.95 off Contract currently. I'm not entirely certain about Bell.

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    10-29-13 07:56 PM
  25. Vorkosigan's Avatar
    And do you think this has happened to Google's Nexus franchise? Which is priced at half of what BBRY charges for a comparable phone? Please, no mention of Google's cost of production.

    By the way, I absolutely believe what you said about the average person being badly underinformed.
    You tell me. 2 years ago my brother-in-law got a Nexus and we considered it a high end phone. He got his 2 sons some other Android (can't for the life of me remember what they were) that weren't as high end. I remember the boys being very slightly upset.

    This year the new Nexus is on no one's radar that I know of. My husband, who works at a Best Buy Mobile, wasn't even aware that it was being released. I realize that's anecdotal evidence, but if your sales rep doesn't know about it it's a pretty good bet they're not going to sell it.
    11-03-13 07:34 AM
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