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  1. fishlove73's Avatar
    Now let's look at Google top apps.
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    Looks like real serious robust apps ( sarcasm) . And a privacy nightmare.




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    06-27-15 12:51 AM
  2. z3user's Avatar
    *Designed and manufactured by Foxconn, Compal, and Wistron.
    Engineered with quality by BlackBerry and manufactured by Foxconn, Compal, and Wistron... Just like the apple's iphones. (except for the Z3 which WAS designed by foxconn)

     1 of the 40,000 korean BlackBerry user  3-10-Slider 
    06-27-15 05:30 AM
  3. southlander's Avatar
    I understand this perspective. But as a Nexus 6 owner I might disagree about the reason to visit crackberry. I do visit as a lover of BB but more and more I visit as a lover of a very quirky site that loves all tech and all personalities. This site is not easily duplicated anywhere. I come here before I go anywhere and it isn't based on OS of choice. It's just a great forum. It is similar to twit tv for me. This is the forum to beat all forums in my opinion.


    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    Admittedly I would probably still visit here and there if BB never made another phone. But what drives participation here in general the release of devices and folks looking to share/talk about it. You likely first came here because you used a BlackBerry?
    06-28-15 01:28 AM
  4. KingOfQwerty's Avatar
    Not sure which Craberrians have the correct vision that BlackBerry should follow.

    - make a new 9000 running BB10
    - make a all touch version of the Passport
    -make all phones with removable batteries or the opposite.
    - have no runtime or join Android.
    -have a tool belt on all devices or none.
    - do not want a touch screen
    -make BB10 operate just like BBOS
    - continue to offer BIS for new phones
    -do not make a BlackBerry without a PKB
    -give up on PKB's
    -give up on the square screen vs work wide
    - BlackBerry phones are more secure than other consumer phones
    - the lack of sales is due to the lack of marketing
    - Consumers do not buy BlackBerry phones because they are not cool
    - Tools not toys

    Posted via CB10
    A successful CEO will port all the positive ones into different packages and sell to different markets. IMO that's the only way to turn profitable

    Posted via CB10
    07-03-15 08:57 AM
  5. deercreekmichael's Avatar
    I don't know what I did to end up in this branch of the multiverse.
    07-03-15 06:27 PM
  6. notafanofyou's Avatar
    There's a difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism. Most of the pro Android supporters are always putting out destructive messages. CrackBerry mods may not see the difference between the two kinds of comments and the forum rules of open discussion, allows negative comments to pass through.

    This reminds me of the time when Heinz was in power and CrackBerry became such a pessimistic place that so many threads got locked, many people stop coming to the site and Kevin took a stepped back. CrackBerry may not realize it but the site has a huge influence in BlackBerry success.
    I think crackberry may not realize it but they without knowing help to take down BlackBerry. It was the same time CB would suspend BlackBerry fans who would try to defend the never ending FUD attacks on BlackBerry while allowing the BlackBerry haters to post at will. May fans left CB because of it.

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    07-03-15 08:42 PM
  7. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I think crackberry may not realize it but they without knowing help to take down BlackBerry. It was the same time CB would suspend BlackBerry fans who would try to defend the never ending FUD attacks on BlackBerry while allowing the BlackBerry haters to post at will. May fans left CB because of it.

    Posted via CB10
    Interestingly (and scarily) enough, you're not the first to propose that Crackberry is to blame for BBRY's current state.
    07-03-15 10:17 PM
  8. early2bed's Avatar
    Engineered with quality by BlackBerry and manufactured by Foxconn, Compal, and Wistron... Just like the apple's iphones. (except for the Z3 which WAS designed by foxconn)
    And now powered by Android?
    07-03-15 10:26 PM
  9. crackberry_geek's Avatar
    Interestingly (and scarily) enough, you're not the first to propose that Crackberry is to blame for BBRY's current state.
    If BlackBerry were paying enough attention to CrackBerry... then BlackBerry wouldn't be in its current sorry state of affairs!

    Posted via CB10
    07-03-15 11:37 PM
  10. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    If BlackBerry were paying enough attention to CrackBerry... then BlackBerry wouldn't be in its current sorry state of affairs!

    Posted via CB10
    No, it would... maybe even worse. Crackberry initially thought BB10 was a great idea and many projected it would outsell iPhone.

    Now that things have gone south, Crackberry has changed its tone and flip flopped on many topics. For ex.:
    - BB10 devices shouldn't have relevant specs because it doesn't need it
    - BB10 devices should cost more than Android because Blackberry is a premium brand and it can lower prices later
    - BB10 will beat iOS. (Smaller than Windows Phone was inconceivable to everyone.)
    - The Indonesian and South African markets will save BBRY
    - Enterprise will save BB10
    - etc. etc.

    The new mantra is...
    - Blackberry should avoid Android like the plague

    Now it doesn't mean that all of Crackberry's advice is bad. But it's never been super insightful or helpful. It's not like many on Crackberry said, "we need to knock off iOS and freely license the OS to OEMs!!" in 2007 when it actually mattered. At best, most of the advice here is probably already on BBRY's radar and probably would not drastically improve sales. With that said, it's BBRY's responsibility to save BBRY and not ours.
    07-04-15 06:48 AM
  11. harshik's Avatar
    Gonna miss the swipe gestures, bb10 OS in general ...

    If!BlackBerry stops supporting bb10.. will it update users from the latest devices to android?

    Posted via CB10
    07-04-15 02:38 PM
  12. Bbnivende's Avatar
    The number one priority (besides MDM) seems to be either to run a secure Android for Enterprise (through hypervisor?) or gain access to Google Play at work for BB10 devices.

    The number two priority seems to be a PKB specialist in handsets and all touch for for Enterprise / prosumers.

    The number three priority seems to be to offer all phones apps that offer BlackBerry productivity tools.



    Posted via CB10
    07-04-15 02:56 PM
  13. southlander's Avatar
    If!BlackBerry stops supporting bb10.. will it update users from the latest devices to android?

    Posted via CB10
    Great question. Kinda doubt it. Probably a repeat of the "wonder if they'll bring BlackBerry 10 to the PlayBook" scenario.

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    07-05-15 11:09 PM
  14. z3user's Avatar
    And now powered by Android?
    We shall see...
    By the way... What if the venice (Android phone for At&t) has bb10and android version and the Android version is AT&T exclusive like the round Passport ... the headlines only gave us Android coming to AT&T so... wishful thinking? Perhaps?

     1 of the 40,000 korean BlackBerry user  3-10-Slider 
    07-06-15 12:27 AM
  15. fishlove73's Avatar
    The whole thing is...if you want Android, Google play, why not just get an Android? Because clearly, many want Apps...and given the way most Google play permissions operate they do not care about privacy anyway...

    Usage privacy etc is why I went back to Blackberry so why would I wanna screw that up?IF I wanted tons of apps and a ecosystem I would have just kept right on with my droids. I feel there needs to remain a 3rd, 4th OS option out there besides just the 2 (Apple and Android), because most of us are already familiar with those OS's and THAT experience.

    Flying Spaghetti Monster running 10.3.2.840
    07-06-15 03:51 AM
  16. Soulstream's Avatar
    The whole thing is...if you want Android, Google play, why not just get an Android? Because clearly, many want Apps...and given the way most Google play permissions operate they do not care about privacy anyway...

    Usage privacy etc is why I went back to Blackberry so why would I wanna screw that up?IF I wanted tons of apps and a ecosystem I would have just kept right on with my droids. I feel there needs to remain a 3rd, 4th OS option out there besides just the 2 (Apple and Android), because most of us are already familiar with those OS's and THAT experience.

    Flying Spaghetti Monster running 10.3.2.840
    There is a 3rd option OS , but it's not BB10, it's Windows phone. Looking at the desktop market, I don't think more than 3 OSs can fight for developer support.

    The current problem with BB10 for BB is that not enough people care for the OS to actually keep it alive. Device sales are shrinking each quarter. BB10 is a very good OS (probably the best out there), but it has failed as a consumer product.
    07-06-15 04:57 AM
  17. KR2013's Avatar
    The whole thing is...if you want Android, Google play, why not just get an Android?...
    I don't think there are many BB users who prefer Android over BB10, but if BB10 dies and they have to decide between "Android" and "Android+BB influence (UI, security, etc.)", my guess is most will pick the "Android+BB influence" option. I know I would!
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    07-06-15 05:32 AM
  18. vladi's Avatar
    The problem with forked android is the same as BB10: apps. And no, users don't want to sideload apps when it's much easier to just buy a google certified Android.

    Actually there are 2 main reasons everyone is going Android right now:
    1. very low software development costs (the OS is already there)
    2. the app store; we see Windows phone and BB struggle to the app-devs on board, so why not just get the full appstore without much effort.
    Low software development cost as in app development?

    There is nothing worse then developing for Android, whole development process is one giant work around. I bet $100 right now that developers can finish the same app on BB10 and Windows Phone SDKs a lot faster and bug free compared to Android Eclipse bs of a workflow. I might even say that time used to code Android app properly can be used to develop exact same thing for BB10 and WP at the same time.

    Problem with developers is that there are many of them and they don't know jack, most of them. That's why majority of apps are just thrown together with sticks and glue. So for them to invest into BB10 or WP is impossible cause they barely figured out Android environment.

    Companies like Uber, Airbnb and so on don't develop for BB10 and WP because of low market share not because it's expensive to do so.
    07-06-15 06:59 AM
  19. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    BlackBerry considering Android for upcoming handset-mockit_06072015200704.jpg

    I'll just throw this out.
    John Chen meme thread needs some new fodder... :-)

      Chendroid or not? - QNoX powered ftw...?  
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    07-06-15 07:11 AM
  20. Soulstream's Avatar
    Low software development cost as in app development?

    There is nothing worse then developing for Android, whole development process is one giant work around. I bet $100 right now that developers can finish the same app on BB10 and Windows Phone SDKs a lot faster and bug free compared to Android Eclipse bs of a workflow. I might even say that time used to code Android app properly can be used to develop exact same thing for BB10 and WP at the same time.

    Problem with developers is that there are many of them and they don't know jack, most of them. That's why majority of apps are just thrown together with sticks and glue. So for them to invest into BB10 or WP is impossible cause they barely figured out Android environment.

    Companies like Uber, Airbnb and so on don't develop for BB10 and WP because of low market share not because it's expensive to do so.
    You misunderstood the whole point. my whole post was not about app developers, but about OEMs that choose as their main focus Android for their own handsets.
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    07-06-15 07:44 AM
  21. ubizmo's Avatar
    I don't think there are many BB users who prefer Android over BB10, but if BB10 dies and they have to decide between "Android" and "Android+BB influence (UI, security, etc.)", my guess is most will pick the "Android+BB influence" option. I know I would!
    Yes, that's the point. I've lost count of the number of people who have said, "If you want Android, why don't you just go buy an Android phone?" But that question misses the point entirely. Those who want Android have already done that. It's not a question of wanting Android; it's a question of wanting BlackBerry to stick around in some form recognizable to us end users. If the only way that can happen is on an Android phone with a BB10 skin, then many of us will take that over a generic Android phone.

    Personally, I bought into many of the ideas about BB10 that have turned out to be dead wrong. For example, as a former BBOS user, I was excited about BB10 and got a Z10 as soon as it was launched, and I believed large numbers of other BBOS users would do the same. They didn't. I believed the Android runtime was a great idea that would help to grow the user base, attracting more native development. That didn't happen either. I thought BlackBerry, with its established name, would be able to get the major "name" apps on board with native apps at launch of BB10 or very soon thereafter. Didn't happen.

    So I've finally reached the point of spitting out the Kool-Aid when it comes to BB10. It doesn't mean I don't like it or that I want it to fail. I actually do like it, which is why I still use my Passport quite a lot, despite the occasional double-typing. But when I look at all the information available to us, including what developers tell us is going on, it's hard to see much of a future for BB10. Whether a BlackBerry Android has a better future is unknown, especially since we really have very little idea what such a beast would look like.

    Unlike some people around CB, I don't hate Android. I have a OnePlus One that I use, and I enjoy it. In terms of just getting around the OS, I still prefer BB10, but I can deal with Android just fine. If BlackBerry can make an Android phone that's more like BB10, even if it's not entirely/exactly like BB10, I'm interested.
    Last edited by ubizmo; 07-06-15 at 10:27 AM.
    07-06-15 08:24 AM
  22. vladi's Avatar
    You misunderstood the whole point. my whole post was not about app developers, but about OEMs that choose as their main focus Android for their own handsets.
    I figured. But it was such a good rant opportunity

    Don't take this the wrong way please.
    07-06-15 11:58 AM
  23. fishlove73's Avatar
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    I'll just throw this out.
    John Chen meme thread needs some new fodder... :-)

      Chendroid or not? - QNoX powered ftw...?  
    LMAO.

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    07-06-15 01:28 PM
  24. trsbbs's Avatar
    I think crackberry may not realize it but they without knowing help to take down BlackBerry. It was the same time CB would suspend BlackBerry fans who would try to defend the never ending FUD attacks on BlackBerry while allowing the BlackBerry haters to post at will. May fans left CB because of it.

    Posted via CB10
    Yea right. . Dream on. .

    Via my HTC One M9...
    07-06-15 05:06 PM
  25. ArcPlug's Avatar
    Yes, that's the point. I've lost count of the number of people who have said, "If you want Android, why don't you just go buy an Android phone?" But that question misses the point entirely. Those who want Android have already done that. It's not a question of wanting Android; it's a question of wanting BlackBerry to stick around in some form recognizable to us end users. If the only way that can happen is on an Android phone with a BB10 skin, then many of us will take that over a generic Android phone.

    Personally, I bought into many of the ideas about BB10 that have turned out to be dead wrong. For example, as a former BBOS user, I was excited about BB10 and got a Z10 as soon as it was launched, and I believed large numbers of other BBOS users would do the same. They didn't. I believed the Android runtime was a great idea that would help to grow the user base, attracting more native development. That didn't happen either. I thought BlackBerry, with its established name, would be able to get the major "name" apps on board with native apps at launch of BB10 or very soon thereafter. Didn't happen.

    So I've finally reached the point of spitting out the Kool-Aid when it comes to BB10. It doesn't mean I don't like it or that I want it to fail. I actually do like it, which is why I still use my Passport quite a lot, despite the occasional double-typing. But when I look at all the information available to us, including what developers tell us is going on, it's hard to see much of a future for BB10. Whether a BlackBerry Android has a better future is unknown, especially since we really have very little idea what such a beast would look like.

    Unlike some people around CB, I don't hate Android. I have a OnePlus One that I use, and I enjoy it. In terms of just getting around the OS, I still prefer BB10, but I can deal with Android just fine. If BlackBerry can make an Android phone that's more like BB10, even if it's not entirely/exactly like BB10, I'm interested.
    The question is not whether current BlackBerry owners would rather buy a BlackBerry Android then an android. That question is largely irrelevant. Many on here have said they will never buy ANY android, myself included. So if 75% of current BlackBerry users switch over and get the BlackBerry Android, BlackBerry has effectively lost 25% market share over night. The question that needs to be asked is whether current android/iOS/ WP users will buy a BlackBerry Android.

    Posted via CB10
    07-06-15 08:01 PM
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