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  1. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    When most of your friends are IOS and Android users, then it's only you that doesn't care. Just because you may not have friends using WP, does not mean many others don't.

    Mobile Nations, as well as WIRED magazine, both had teams at the recent CES, and both mentioned how BBM was not an option for them to correspond because some of the participants were using WP devices. Do you really think those two instances were an anomaly? What about companies that support multiple platforms within their network? Do you think they're going to opt for BBM when there are employees sporting WP devices?

    If BBRY wants BBM to become the go-to service for mobile messaging, they shouldn't just base a decision to not support WP because they don't see a demand from enough WP users. They also have to recognize that for every WP user that doesn't have BBM, there's a potential that it could result in 10x - 100x that number of iOS and Android users who choose not to use it as a result so that their correspondence will accommodate that minority of contacts using WP.
    I've seen about 7-10 in the wild and 0 Z/Q series devices. I've only seen one 9900 and that was over a year ago in the train station in Philadelphia (some 75+ year old Grandpa had one).

    I've seen more ChromeBooks than BlackBerry phones, yet users here complain about developers ignoring their choice platform (or rushing out low quality apps) while applauding and making excuses for BB when they do the same to others.

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    01-19-14 11:46 AM
  2. spyeagle's Avatar
    I would say this is more of a rumour then given fact. When on the BlackBerry Career section of their site I noticed a job posting for Software Test Specialist - BBM. In the job description it has listed:

    5+ years of mobile application testing experience with two or more of the following Mobile operating systems - BlackBerry Java OS, BlackBerry BB10, iOS, Android, Windows Mobile


    That would tell me it might already be developed if they need someone with experience on Windows Mobile for testing.
    01-19-14 11:59 AM
  3. JeepBB's Avatar
    I've seen about 7-10 in the wild and 0 Z/Q series devices. I've only seen one 9900 and that was over a year ago in the train station in Philadelphia (some 75+ year old Grandpa had one).

    I've seen more ChromeBooks than BlackBerry phones, yet users here complain about developers ignoring their choice platform (or rushing out low quality apps) while applauding and making excuses for BB when they do the same to others.

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    I realise that my personal experience isn't statistically valid, but...

    I've seen many WinPhones in recent months, both at work (2,000 employee engineering site) and in pubs and clubs. Most of the phones I've seen are the cheaper variants, but I've seen enough of the 920's & even one 1020 (a niche phone if there ever was) to add some personal validation to the 10% figure stated by Kantar.

    I think it's the attraction of the Fisher-Price UI myself... Nice and simple for easily confused engineers! LOL
    01-19-14 12:02 PM
  4. nemo7's Avatar
    I would say this is more of a rumour then given fact. When on the BlackBerry Career section of their site I noticed a job posting for Software Test Specialist - BBM. In the job description it has listed:

    5+ years of mobile application testing experience with two or more of the following Mobile operating systems - BlackBerry Java OS, BlackBerry BB10, iOS, Android, Windows Mobile


    That would tell me it might already be developed if they need someone with experience on Windows Mobile for testing.
    I don't think David Proulx, senior director of BBM business development, is only talking sh*t.

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    01-19-14 12:02 PM
  5. notafanboy's Avatar
    Do Microsoft employees post on CB? I don't know a single person that uses WP nor have I seen a single WP being used in the wild. WP is to little too late. You can post all the delusional and paid for articles singing about WP but the reality is no one is going to buy a phone that lack apps and WP lacks a ton of apps. No one in their right mind would choose a WP over android unless you work for Microsoft. Oh well keep your delusional alive if it makes you happy. Android is the only way to go.

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    01-19-14 12:06 PM
  6. JeepBB's Avatar
    I don't know a single person that uses WP nor have I seen a single WP being used in the wild.
    Maybe you should get out more?

    Incidentally, whatever happened to the "I haven't seen a single WinPhone in the wild... NOT ONE!!!... NOT A SINGLE ONE!!!" guy? I miss him.

    WP is to little too late. You can post all the delusional and paid for articles singing about WP but the reality is no one is going to buy a phone that lack apps and WP lacks a ton of apps.
    I'd hope that you were striving to be ironic considering the history of BB10 and its App ecosystem... sadly, I believe you are perfectly serious. Delusional, you say? LOL
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    01-19-14 12:16 PM
  7. Loc22's Avatar
    The desktop app they showed was a bridge app, which is terrible and requires you to have a BBM capable smartphone to run it.

    That wouldn't solve any issues.

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    I believe what they are saying is, yes it is coming to Windows phone but together with the Windows Desktop version. Hopefully this is simple enough to understand.

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    01-19-14 12:17 PM
  8. SubCamp's Avatar
    01-19-14 12:33 PM
  9. Thesmartmale's Avatar
    It's well known that they have 10%
    No it's not, it's well known that they have a market share under 10%.

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    01-19-14 12:38 PM
  10. Thesmartmale's Avatar
    Yet, it's there. Yet BBM is AWOL on WP8.

    Your point?

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    NO, it's not there, it's like we asked for a native Skype and they gave us a link to the Android skype app, get your facts right.

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    01-19-14 12:40 PM
  11. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    NO, it's not there, it's like we asked for a native Skype and they gave us a link to the Android skype app, get your facts right.

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    It's there. Period.

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    01-19-14 12:41 PM
  12. Thesmartmale's Avatar
    When most of your friends are IOS and Android users, then it's only you that doesn't care. Just because you may not have friends using WP, does not mean many others don't.

    Mobile Nations, as well as WIRED magazine, both had teams at the recent CES, and both mentioned how BBM was not an option for them to correspond because some of the participants were using WP devices. Do you really think those two instances were an anomaly? What about companies that support multiple platforms within their network? Do you think they're going to opt for BBM when there are employees sporting WP devices?

    If BBRY wants BBM to become the go-to service for mobile messaging, they shouldn't just base a decision to not support WP because they don't see a demand from enough WP users. They also have to recognize that for every WP user that doesn't have BBM, there's a potential that it could result in 10x - 100x that number of iOS and Android users who choose not to use it as a result so that their correspondence will accommodate that minority of contacts using WP.
    That wasn't the mean reason as I recall, they didn't like how groups work in BBM that's why they picked hangout, plus is hangouts even in WP store? No, so yeah BBM not being available on windows phone wasn't really the reason.

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    01-19-14 12:50 PM
  13. JeepBB's Avatar
    I googled that already and yes WP market share in Europe is 10% but globaly it's less than 8% so yeah you get my point.
    Let's just recap shall we?

    We now seem to agree that WinPhone market share is 10% (more in the UK) in important markets like Europe, and less than 8% globally. I believe I said between 5% and 10% in the post you laughed at... so WinPhone seems to be doing better than I thought globally?

    In your googling, did you manage to establish the market share for BB? Remember to divide any figure you find by four to exclude the BB legacy device sales. Be sure to tell me when you've stopped laughing.

    Reality. Bites.
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    01-19-14 12:52 PM
  14. Thesmartmale's Avatar
    I've seen about 7-10 in the wild and 0 Z/Q series devices. I've only seen one 9900 and that was over a year ago in the train station in Philadelphia (some 75+ year old Grandpa had one).

    I've seen more ChromeBooks than BlackBerry phones, yet users here complain about developers ignoring their choice platform (or rushing out low quality apps) while applauding and making excuses for BB when they do the same to others.

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    You of course you wouldn't see, even if you did you wouldn't come here and say you did, in over a year and haven't seen a BlackBerry ha, you must be living in a cave.

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    01-19-14 12:52 PM
  15. Jas00555's Avatar
    Last month, the place where I work was deciding on what IM app to use since it was easier than emailing and our IT guys aren't really fond of excessive emailing (they're kind of anal about it actually). We were going through the options at a meeting where all of us attended and someone in our group suggested BBM (side note: I've seen at least 5 Windows Phones in the wild, yet this guy was the only person I know who has a BB10 device. I'm sorry if that doesn't line up with what you see, but I have seen 1 total), which is when everyone was like "oh, yeah, that's on all of the phones now" and everyone was feeling a little nostalgic until I pointed out that myself and one of the managers had Windows Phones (I have a 1520 and he has a 920) and that BB doesn't have an app for WP. Do you know what happened? Did they tell us to get new phones? did they offer to buy us cheap androids? nope. What happened was that we canned the idea of using BBM. One girl even made the exact quote: "dumb Blackberry, I thought they were suppose to be a billion dollar company, I didn't realize they're that poor". In the end we decided to use WhatsApp and BBM lost about 20 potential new active members.

    See, here's the gist... Yes, Windows Phone only has an 8% market share worldwide, but do you know what that means? That means that unless someone has very few friends, that they all know at least one person who has a Windows Phone. Now I know that a lot of people here claim that they've never seen a Windows Phone ever, but they usually then go on to say that WP is DOA and they know at least 20 friends with BB10 devices, so those comments can be thrown right out. I'm trailing off again, but this basically means that if people want to use a cross-platform messaging app, that they can't use BBM because one or two of their friends don't have it.

    Now it's simple to say "oh, well, then they'll leave WP, because it $ucks M$ herp derp" but come one now.... People will change IM services before they change OSes, because guess what? Most people don't care what they use, as long as it works. Is BBM great? yes, but is it so great that it's worth learning a whole new OS (even if it takes minimal time) and repurchasing apps? no. It's the same thing as my company. Most people didn't care to use WhatsApp and since then I've never heard a single complaint. They even WANTED to use BBM, but since it wasn't cross-platform, they couldn't (and they even got mad at BB for it, so double-lose there). I completely understand the reasoning behind it, but they need to get BBM to WP pronto, even if it's only half-baked in features.
    01-19-14 03:19 PM
  16. Bla1ze's Avatar
    Can you all manage to stop flipping off at the mouth and get the conversation back on the right track, please?
    Thanks.
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    01-19-14 03:33 PM
  17. NickMcBride's Avatar
    It would be nice to see it in Windows. From desktop to phone, from tablet to Xbox. BBM had great potential all across. Chatting on Xbox with BBM while playing a game....awesome though just a dream.
    Omg you just made my day this is so necessary! I'd love to use bbm even more everyday! You should work for BlackBerry sir!


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    01-19-14 03:34 PM
  18. SubCamp's Avatar
    Can you all manage to stop flipping off at the mouth and get the conversation back on the right track, please?
    Thanks.
    Amen

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    01-19-14 03:45 PM
  19. Rolf Hed's Avatar
    This really pisses me off! They expect everyone else to build apps for their platform yet will give **** all in return!

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    Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes... 😕
    01-19-14 04:34 PM
  20. pgg101's Avatar
    Last month, the place where I work was deciding on what IM app to use since it was easier than emailing and our IT guys aren't really fond of excessive emailing (they're kind of anal about it actually). We were going through the options at a meeting where all of us attended and someone in our group suggested BBM (side note: I've seen at least 5 Windows Phones in the wild, yet this guy was the only person I know who has a BB10 device. I'm sorry if that doesn't line up with what you see, but I have seen 1 total), which is when everyone was like "oh, yeah, that's on all of the phones now" and everyone was feeling a little nostalgic until I pointed out that myself and one of the managers had Windows Phones (I have a 1520 and he has a 920) and that BB doesn't have an app for WP. Do you know what happened? Did they tell us to get new phones? did they offer to buy us cheap androids? nope. What happened was that we canned the idea of using BBM. One girl even made the exact quote: "dumb Blackberry, I thought they were suppose to be a billion dollar company, I didn't realize they're that poor". In the end we decided to use WhatsApp and BBM lost about 20 potential new active members.

    See, here's the gist... Yes, Windows Phone only has an 8% market share worldwide, but do you know what that means? That means that unless someone has very few friends, that they all know at least one person who has a Windows Phone. Now I know that a lot of people here claim that they've never seen a Windows Phone ever, but they usually then go on to say that WP is DOA and they know at least 20 friends with BB10 devices, so those comments can be thrown right out. I'm trailing off again, but this basically means that if people want to use a cross-platform messaging app, that they can't use BBM because one or two of their friends don't have it.

    Now it's simple to say "oh, well, then they'll leave WP, because it $ucks M$ herp derp" but come one now.... People will change IM services before they change OSes, because guess what? Most people don't care what they use, as long as it works. Is BBM great? yes, but is it so great that it's worth learning a whole new OS (even if it takes minimal time) and repurchasing apps? no. It's the same thing as my company. Most people didn't care to use WhatsApp and since then I've never heard a single complaint. They even WANTED to use BBM, but since it wasn't cross-platform, they couldn't (and they even got mad at BB for it, so double-lose there). I completely understand the reasoning behind it, but they need to get BBM to WP pronto, even if it's only half-baked in features.
    Hopefully they will be able to get it on WP sooner rather than later. I can tell you that an App like WhatsApp violates Canadian privacy laws because it exports your contact list to a foreign server. Another major issue is that with Whatsapp, your conversations are not being recorded by your IT. This a huge risk to the company from a liability perspective. Think about rogue employees passing off information or even worse client data.

    I work for a bank. When BES10.0 was launched, BBM could not be monitored or collected. That alone delayed the launch of BB10 with my bank.

    Now if you work for a small company, then that's fine. But for a large company where lawyers are just waiting to sue you, you better make sure that the decision to use Whatsapp doesn't violate privacy laws of your country, and that your employees do not disclose clients names or data with messages.

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    01-19-14 05:09 PM
  21. notafanboy's Avatar
    Maybe you should get out more?

    Incidentally, whatever happened to the "I haven't seen a single WinPhone in the wild... NOT ONE!!!... NOT A SINGLE ONE!!!" guy? I miss him.



    I'd hope that you were striving to be ironic considering the history of BB10 and its App ecosystem... sadly, I believe you are perfectly serious. Delusional, you say? LOL
    Lol you think I am a delusional BlackBerry fan? It is to little too late for bb10 and way to little too late for WP. I only knew of one person who HAD a WP8 but returned it for lack of apps . I don't know anyone who wants a phone that lacks apps and bb10 and Wp8 lack apps. WP will continue to lose money. There is no reason for any dev to develop for WP and no reason for bbm to be on a phone that no one uses.

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    01-19-14 05:36 PM
  22. MartyMcfly's Avatar
    Lol you think I am a delusional BlackBerry fan? It is to little too late for bb10 and way to little too late for WP. I only knew of one person who HAD a WP8 but returned it for lack of apps . I don't know anyone who wants a phone that lacks apps and bb10 and Wp8 lack apps. WP will continue to lose money. There is no reason for any dev to develop for WP and no reason for bbm to be on a phone that no one uses.

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    WP app store (quality pov)> Blackberry's. The Nokia line is starting to pick-up steam, not to mention the company is backed by Microsoft.
    01-19-14 06:15 PM
  23. MartyMcfly's Avatar
    I would like to see bbm on Windows mobile, and i would also like to see a native/better version of skype on bb10.
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    01-19-14 06:19 PM
  24. jake simmons3's Avatar
    Desktop Bbm before windows

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    01-19-14 06:22 PM
  25. SirJes's Avatar
    I would like to see bbm on Windows mobile, and i would also like to see a native/better version of skype on bb10.
    Best post in the entire thread.

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    01-19-14 06:25 PM
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