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  1. JuiciPatties's Avatar
    I think this is good, but only if the response time is good such that there is no difference between using it versus the traditional laptop. No offense, but that demonstration didn't give me the sense that this method of operating was very responsive. Seemed to be some lag, but perhaps because this is only in beta at the moment.

    I'm all for getting rid of the laptop, but as I said, the experience needs to be the same, or better.
    10-16-13 11:44 AM
  2. allisos's Avatar
    Rome wasn't built in a day.... Picture this:

    Wireless charging mat on a desk. Place the phone down. Bluetooth mouse, keyboard. Wifi direct/ miracsat to the monitor. Citrix app running virtually any app on a remote server. You now have true mobile computing, with a desk, a power mat, a mouse, keyboard, and monitor.

    Now a company can save on the PC completely, and just supply a phone. If you have thousands of employees, this is a major change in expense to productivity ratio.


    Yep, I've used W8 on ultrabook/tablet hybrids and it makes some sense there but for my day to day usage, I spend all of my time in either specialist analysis apps or Office365 apps, so it's straight to the desktop and I stay there - all of the metro things I do quicker and better on a tablet.
    10-16-13 11:50 AM
  3. SparkyBC's Avatar
    No mobile platform will ever replace a windows, Linux, or apple based computer. They can dream about that all they want.
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    10-16-13 11:57 AM
  4. mmarco's Avatar
    Why not create First a bb system for computers like windows or apple.

    And them, with other company, like dell for example, start thinking how to make that real...

    Enterprises will love the idea, they'll save money.
    10-16-13 11:57 AM
  5. Marauder2's Avatar
    BlackBerry should make a basic "desktop replacement" kit and price it properly, I know they need to make money but they aren't in a situation where they can really afford to over price things.

    Have a package containing a charging dock with hdmi and usb ports, a keyboard with proper shortcuts to the hub/main screen/power off/sound/brightness/etc, their own kind of 'magic mouse' that accepts different gestures like on the phone to make navigation intuitive, and maybe throw in an Hdmi cable.

    I would definitely buy one of these and I think others with BlackBerry devices would too. Come up with a conservative estimate of how many they could sell and maybe even produce a tad less than that to avoid right-off and price it properly.

    Posted via CB10
    10-16-13 12:02 PM
  6. fin2007's Avatar
    replace your home or office desktop?

    WOW! network PC once more.
    10-16-13 12:25 PM
  7. todbanner's Avatar
    Ive tinkered with this concept. Running a VM of my desktop on one of the servers in the rack. Setting up rdp. Hooking up the phone to a big monitor via hdmi then using a BT mouse and keyboard to run the situation.

    You can then remote to the server and go on about your business for any third party apps you need to run.

    Calendar, contacts, email and Web browsing taken care of natively on the phone.

    I couldn't do without the PC to run the apps yet. But it's a start.

    Posted by CB10 on Z10.2.0.1372
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    10-16-13 12:58 PM
  8. BravoZuluDelta's Avatar
    Rome wasn't built in a day.... Picture this:

    Wireless charging mat on a desk. Place the phone down. Bluetooth mouse, keyboard. Wifi direct/ miracsat to the monitor. Citrix app running virtually any app on a remote server. You now have true mobile computing, with a desk, a power mat, a mouse, keyboard, and monitor.

    Now a company can save on the PC completely, and just supply a phone. If you have thousands of employees, this is a major change in expense to productivity ratio.
    I think this could make sense for medium-sized organisations. I saw thin clients everywhere in the 90s, until computer hardware prices dropped and went from $3000 to $800 for a full machine. But if a company is going to supply executives with a smartphone anyway, it makes sense to set them up as a thin client for use as a desktop and save the extra $800. Think LogMeIn, but instead you serve tens or hundreds of users at once.


    The downside would be if the smartphone gets run over, it's not as simple as IT handing out a new one. You also don't get to trickle down executive computers to the peons to get twice the service life.

    Posted via CB10 on Q10
    10-16-13 01:06 PM
  9. Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes's Avatar
    Same "on the go" pipe dream QNX visionary pieces on youtube have been trying to sell to us for years. Not falling for it anymore.


    Deliver on your vision
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    10-16-13 01:21 PM
  10. Sith_Apprentice's Avatar
    Part of the reason that it's a fantasy is that even the most powerful mobile CPU are frankly crap when compared to even cheapo desktop CPUs - once you start have three or four browser windows open, office, outlook, spotify, dropbox etc all running... well I'll keep my cheapo PC thanks.
    But you are still trying to use something for touch and designed for small-screens in a desktop world, I'd rather just use an OS designed for desktop...
    Yep, I've used W8 on ultrabook/tablet hybrids and it makes some sense there but for my day to day usage, I spend all of my time in either specialist analysis apps or Office365 apps, so it's straight to the desktop and I stay there - all of the metro things I do quicker and better on a tablet.
    Absolutely you are correct about the CPU and RAM portions. But if you are off loading that onto a back end, then you in theory can have the phone as a thin client. One of the many reasons Thin clients did not really take off (other than very specific areas) is that it is ANOTHER piece of hardware to use. Having a phone act as a thin client could actually be beneficial.
    10-16-13 01:44 PM
  11. cgk's Avatar
    I think this could make sense for medium-sized organisations.
    It makes sense if your employees are out and about but the majority in most organisations aren't and the average live of a desktop PC in an org is something like 3-5 years - we might be in the post-PC era but the desktop is still going to the main way that employees mainly interact with their organisations for a while to come.

    Absolutely you are correct about the CPU and RAM portions. But if you are off loading that onto a back end, then you in theory can have the phone as a thin client. One of the many reasons Thin clients did not really take off (other than very specific areas) is that it is ANOTHER piece of hardware to use. Having a phone act as a thin client could actually be beneficial.
    I wouldn't disagree with that but I still don't see the productivity gain in that as opposited to a native desktop experience for most of your run of the mill office workers - so it might have benefits for some workers but for various reasons I don't see it being mainstream for quite a while.
    10-16-13 01:48 PM
  12. Witmen's Avatar
    This is the next big market, replacing the windows desktop/laptop. You could go to any of your offices and place your phone into a dock, and you would have the same experience as if you where at your desk.

    Two additional advantages:

    1. Total control of data through BES
    2. Substantial Savings by only having to purchase monitors, keyboard, and a phone dock.

    Think BBRY will need a partner to make it happen though.
    Other than the dock part, how is any of that new?

    Android already does all of this. In fact I just read an article where the author was using a droid as a desktop computer. Complete with monitor, keyboard, mouse and expandable storage.

    Wireless Display on DROID MAXX and DROID Ultra

    If this really is the next big market, wouldn't Android already own it since Android devices have been capable of doing all of that for nearly 3 years now?

    Also, I keep hearing rumors that Android will soon natively be able to access everything on your PC like Citrix receiver and Splashtop already does for Android. Seems like if this was the next big thing, BlackBerry is already late to the party.
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    10-16-13 02:01 PM
  13. tmanthib's Avatar
    Same "on the go" pipe dream QNX visionary pieces on youtube have been trying to sell to us for years. Not falling for it anymore.


    Deliver on your vision
    BlackBerry 10 has been out for about 9 months, it will get better with each update and model.

    Posted via CB10
    10-16-13 02:07 PM
  14. anon1727506's Avatar
    Performance.....

    One reason that Desktops are not going away and that ThinNet Clients are not really making a comeback. Just because you can do something, does not mean that people will want to do it that way. Sure in some situations a client will be fine, but in others where a lot of data is being moved I haven't seen an effective ThinNet setup that really worked well. You end up spending more on the backend hardware, and still people complain about their "computer" is slow during peak usage.
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    10-16-13 02:16 PM
  15. elcaradepoker's Avatar
    Aqu vemos como funciona y como podria ser lo mas cercano a un uso en la oficina. Saludos!
    10-16-13 02:23 PM
  16. BBThemes's Avatar
    Performance.....

    One reason that Desktops are not going away and that ThinNet Clients are not really making a comeback. Just because you can do something, does not mean that people will want to do it that way. Sure in some situations a client will be fine, but in others where a lot of data is being moved I haven't seen an effective ThinNet setup that really worked well. You end up spending more on the backend hardware, and still people complain about their "computer" is slow during peak usage.
    exactly, it will be years before any phone can even touch say my PC for speed and ability, but people think they can do it now lol.

    for the record, i7 quad core at 4.4ghz, 32Gb RAM, 1 SSD and 2x2Tb drives, and 2 GTX570`s in SLI. there is no comparison.
    10-16-13 02:24 PM
  17. playbookster's Avatar
    So....that is really cool until he backs out of the text editor and goes to the home screen and it occupies like 1/7th of the monitor because bb10 devices don't have a landscape home screen, then it looks like garbage. very few mainstream consumers will ever even care about this is BlackBerry doesn't implement a landscape home screen

    Posted via CB10
    The homescreen is really just an app dock. Thats the least important part, its the software he is running that matters. I am sure landscape mode will come at some point but really its just aesthetics. Doesnt change how it operates.
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    10-16-13 02:32 PM
  18. BravoZuluDelta's Avatar
    exactly, it will be years before any phone can even touch say my PC for speed and ability, but people think they can do it now lol.

    for the record, i7 quad core at 4.4ghz, 32Gb RAM, 1 SSD and 2x2Tb drives, and 2 GTX570`s in SLI. there is no comparison.
    We were discussing thin clients, not fat clients. A thin client does not require much in terms of processing power, it's all done server-side. Right now it's more or less a niche solution for companies where many employees need a computer for light duty jobs. It makes sense for things like data entry, administrative jobs, and other things where most of the data stays server-side. Where it doesn't make sense is where large amounts of data needs to be moved from client to server, as this creates a data throughput bottleneck that the server cannot compensate for.

    Posted via CB10 on Q10
    10-16-13 02:36 PM
  19. Rickroller's Avatar
    I was going to ask how well the atrix did. Seems most weren't interested.
    IMO, the Atrix was ahead of it's time...specifically in regards to hardware vs software. At the time it was the dubbed the "worlds first superphone" due to it's hardware, but looking back in comparison nowadays, and it was severely lacking for what it was trying to accomplish. I (still) own the Atrix and Lapdock, and it was a pretty cool idea. The phone itself contained basically two separate sets of software, one for regular phone, and then one for lapdock. It wasn't just mirroring the output of your display, but actually running "PC-like" software. Granted, it was very limited, but I'd equate it much like the Chromebooks of today.

    Sadly, the hardware wasn't up to snuff, and the program suffered from lag and freeze ups. I still think the idea itself could be very useful, but I definitely don't think BB10 (and more specifically BBRY) is up to the task.
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    10-16-13 02:40 PM
  20. mkmilan's Avatar
    OK people: moratorium on use of "literally" PLEASE, as the majority of you overuse it, and incorrectly !!!!!!!!!!!!
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    10-16-13 03:09 PM
  21. BravoZuluDelta's Avatar
    OK people: moratorium on use of "literally" PLEASE, as the majority of you overuse it, and incorrectly !!!!!!!!!!!!
    I know, right? I'm literally pulling my hair out.

    **ducks**
    10-16-13 03:31 PM
  22. Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes's Avatar
    BlackBerry 10 has been out for about 9 months, it will get better with each update and model.

    Posted via CB10

    lol
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    10-16-13 03:41 PM
  23. richardat's Avatar
    Just a shame that they couldn't get this out sooner... as it's been in the plan since the Z's conception....
    If it were available at launch, it would have sucked up more of BB's money, and been another example of a catastrophic product flop. Think about it, they couldn't even generate the software support needed to sell a smartphone...you think they could have competed on the desktop as well?? People didn't want a bb10 phone but they would want a bb10 desktop? Desktop bb10 office, photoshop, etc....coming soon?

    Same "on the go" pipe dream QNX visionary pieces on youtube have been trying to sell to us for years. Not falling for it anymore.
    Deliver on your vision
    It amazes me every time this comes up, people start spouting it. First, I get this weird feeling, like none of these people have followed tech at all.....it's as if it's the 1950's or 60's or even 70's.....and we're watching The Jetsons! "WOW....phone as a...COM PU TOR?? Amazing!! i will carry my computor around?? This can change the world!!!"

    This concept is hardly mind-boggling or innovative....ideas like this have been around a VERY long time....whether it was a phone, PDA, etc. Second, there's the ludicrous notion that BB can execute on some product line....a line proposing a brand new area of product - an Apple scale market-opening.....they couldn't do this months ago let alone now. They are a relatively small, highly troubled corporation facing horrible result the last couple years...they couldn't get a competitive tablet out....or touchscreen phone - still haven't. Finally, as Dan Prown first pointed out, it's a complex issue. Many pros and cons to various paradigms, and many potential solutions, but coming up with an elegant one, that fulfills enough needs to make a large impact, that is then executed well enough to gain uptake.....well it really will require a Jobsian scale push, and the risk will be huge.

    I liked the idea better back 10 yrs ago to be frank. I'm think the advantages are eroding (or have proven insufficient as thin clients have demonstrated as Scalemaster mentions). With rapidly increased connectivity, I'm not sure carrying around all your computing power even makes sense anymore...or If your phone is going to be a thin client as some are now arguing here, why do you need the phone? If you're going to have a monitor, keyboard, etc. to plug into, you might as well have another hardware thin client there as well, it's a thin client so it will sync with anything you did on your phone anyways. You can put more computing power in the keyboard or monitor at very little cost, and no need to worry about hardware and software phone interfaces. Lots of drawbacks to only having the phone as a special key to use all your thin client interfaces! lol
    Last edited by richardat; 10-16-13 at 04:07 PM.
    10-16-13 03:46 PM
  24. astro_charles's Avatar
    Ubuntu Edge is vaporware, a trial baloon which Ubuntu floated to get some interest into its Ubuntu phone. Ubuntu had a working dual boot phone which it was working on but now seems to have shifted gears into some nebulous desktop-mobile convergence.
    I second this. Ubuntu Edge = Unicorn.
    The whole industry seems to be headed towards mobile computing. But no one has nailed it yet.
    10-16-13 03:54 PM
  25. richardat's Avatar
    OK people: moratorium on use of "literally" PLEASE, as the majority of you overuse it, and incorrectly !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Indeed, please overuse it in the correct manner.

    ....or perhaps the OP is literally calling for an incorrect moratorium on the usage. ;-)
    10-16-13 04:03 PM
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