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  1. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    They should really publish things like this on CB blogs. Puts it into perspective the uphill battle BlackBerry and everyone else has.
    Kevin took that kind of reporting with him, when he left.
    It doesn't mean that I do not like Blaize as the EIC, though.

    I think that he is actually more down to earth (nothing against you Kevin!! ) and he very probably just gives the audience more of what it wants, instead of what Kevin did, so in terms of a business decision to not talk about these things, I fully understand it.

    I also love Bla1ze's realism in a lot of his forums posts.
    But, in the current climate and how it looks for BlackBerry's hardware division, I do not think that an article saying how Samsung and Apple are the only ones who make money, would be appreciated on the front page.

    Then there's another part... I kinda feel for him, as there isn't a lot to report in the BlackBerry world, currently.
    Remember the good old days, with 7+ articles of massive content? Those times in which BlackBerry still was one of the most important players.
    It must kinda suck, to know that BlackBerry will never provide enough good news to really report about a lot of things in a single day, outside of quarterly reports.
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    03-26-15 03:24 AM
  2. fishlove73's Avatar
    March 27 might be some promising news. I've used Apple and Droids and transitioned back to Blackberry...that's promising. And though I might be one of the few, I doubt I'm alone... nobody gives any answers and why they feel the need to come to a blackberry site to continue to put em down. Disguised as " a different perspective " or "correcting misinformation " .I mean learning about the OS or talking Blackberry is clearly not on the agenda. So why not network with other Apple and Droid users? Why here? If everyone here is delusional or fanboys, why troll?? I mean, healthy debate is one thing, or suggested improvements, or helping a new BB user, but consistently instigating with terms and buzzwords like" ignorant " and giving a whole false plethora reasons why BB10 devices and OS'S are bad and seemingly going downhill with BlackBerry owners should not be looked at as anything other than what it is...trolling.
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    03-26-15 04:43 AM
  3. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    March 27 might be some promising news. I've used Apple and Droids and transitioned back to Blackberry...that's promising. And though I might be one of the few, I doubt I'm alone... nobody gives any answers and why they feel the need to come to a blackberry site to continue to put em down. Disguised as " a different perspective " or "correcting misinformation " .I mean learning about the OS or talking Blackberry is clearly not on the agenda. So why not network with other Apple and Droid users? Why here? If everyone here is delusional or fanboys, why troll?? I mean, healthy debate is one thing, or suggested improvements, or helping a new BB user, but consistently instigating with terms and buzzwords like" ignorant " and giving a whole false plethora reasons why BB10 devices and OS'S are bad and seemingly going downhill with BlackBerry owners should not be looked at as anything other than what it is...trolling.
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    I am pretty sure that 8/10 of "the usual suspects", know more about BB10 and other platforms than you imagine.

    But, ignoring that...
    I am open for discussions and alternative wordings.
    How would you call someone who willfully posts wrong information, doesn't inform himself, but wants to sell his opinion as facts, even though most of the facts completely contradict said opinion? Someone who also doesn't want to inform himself...
    Isn't that the textbook definition of "being ignorant"?

    You say that users give false reasons of why BlackBerry is going downhill...
    First of all, every informed user will know, that BlackBerry isn't going downhill. The hardware division is. That's a huge difference and very important to highlight.

    Secondly, what are those "wrong/false reasons"? What are the "right" reasons?

    Thirdly, when I read posts full of misinformation, irrational hatred towards Apple/Google, and full of wilful ignorance, disguised under support for BlackBerry, putting down everything that is not BlackBerry and praising absolutely everything that is BlackBerry, without any logic or sense, I'd call that trolling as well.

    But the best part of it all...
    You never considered that the people you accuse of trolling... Might actually be BlackBerry users, or were BlackBerry users not too long ago?
    Because I have a Z10 with 10.3.1.
    I have no need to learn more about the OS. I use it since Feb 2013. It's my private phone, because it doesn't support the apps I need in a corporate context.

    (Btw, Socialising with Android and iOS users? Go to iMore?
    You think in camps. In OS camps. I don't give a **** what OS other people use. I don't value them differently because they do not use BB10 or iOS or Android. You however do that. You think that the worth of a human being, is dictated/defined by the phone OS someone uses. And you dare to talk about trolling or buzzwords?)
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    03-26-15 05:48 AM
  4. fishlove73's Avatar
    I don't think in camps. But I also have never went to Imore to tell them they are ignorant and my phone is more useful.

    I sourced my info, but instead of talking about the source it was dismissed and I get called ignorant.

    Way to many documents and sources on google not being private or secure which is why some and a growing number do not use them. I have no clue on how that can be refused.

    The same users I have never heard them talk anything about bb10 or functions. I can go to any webpage...ad it to my homescreen and boom it just turned into an "APP" only I didn't have to register with it or give it info under the permise of "delivering me better and more personalized content" Information about users is just as good as currency and no.. no one knows if it stays secure with the developer or that company and who they sell it to...which is one of the many reasons I left droid and apple.

    I refuted the "what blackberry is doing" with a 50 minute interview with Chen...nobody watched listened or cared or discussed...and was told it was a lie on zero basis of explanation...
    Like I said, I've used androids and Iphones...seen the ads, the registering, app permission and out right spam in Apps and have had next to zero on BB10. So you don't think some of those ad cookies and registering is used to sell info or spy?? And how about the security risked involved with that.

    Sure I'm a BlackBerry fan, And when BlackBerry fell behind...I left, but came back BB10 is good and solid. Talk about innovation..they totally revamped the OS and on top of that offered things not found on Droid or Apple. Limited Apps...sure, but there are a lot of Apps that are security nightmares and it is a company that cares about security. And for a company reinventing itself it can't risk the very foundation it's known for...so it's handling that responsibly. I mean, have you heard about Blackberry hacked or security breaches??

    But yet time and time again... Blackberry is behind, for old people, lacks innovation, users are fanboys, they will never gain market share, BB10 is the buggiest software on and on and not true and yet not many call em on these statements and when they do they get slammed...that's not a healthy debate...that's a pissing contest. So I mean if you love your phone...great, share that love with your fellow forums.

    I personally don't go to Imore, or Android Central tell them they are ignorant and there devices are not good...so yes..i question your motives and it is logical.


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    03-26-15 07:02 AM
  5. birdman_38's Avatar
    I personally don't go to Imore, or Android Central tell them they are ignorant and there devices are not good...so yes..i question your motives and it is logical.
    You also don't have to click on thread topics like this. It would be a lot less stressful for you.
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    03-26-15 09:07 AM
  6. eyesopen1111's Avatar
    ...[N]obody gives any answers and why they feel the need to come to a blackberry site to continue to put em down. Disguised as " a different perspective " or "correcting misinformation. " I mean learning about the OS or talking Blackberry is clearly not on the agenda.
    We are "talking BlackBerry," arent we? The rumored Apple trade-in program is directly targeting BlackBerry and Android owners, right?

    And most of the people you seem to complain about on this thread do know plenty about BB10. I know that I do. Ive helped Crackberry users load leaks non-destructively, shared tips with newbies, and supported devs who code for BB10. Many others here have as well. I currently own two BB10 smartphones (Z10 and Z30), so its not like were not family.

    But not every thread need be a technical help thread. We get to talk about BlackBerry's device portfolio choices, competitor tactics, and sales results, too. And, yes, there is some frustration about Chen's choices and what they might mean for BB10 and hardware. Given how things are going with some of BlackBerry's declining numbers, why wouldnt there be frustration and a little worry?

    In my view, Apple is relevant to BlackBerry for several reasons. I think it is the most significant threat to BlackBerry in terms of customer theft, which is why I started this thread to discuss the latest reports of Apple's trade-in program. But Apple is also demonstrating what works in terms of smartphone strategy and where the technology is heading. Apple is simply too big a player for smartphone fans to ignore.

    Personal choice of smartphone is up to the individual, but my advice has always been to try a device (BB10, iOS, etc.) for yourself to see what feels best to you.
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    03-26-15 11:20 AM
  7. jmr1015's Avatar
    March 27 might be some promising news. I've used Apple and Droids and transitioned back to Blackberry...that's promising. And though I might be one of the few, I doubt I'm alone... nobody gives any answers and why they feel the need to come to a blackberry site to continue to put em down. Disguised as " a different perspective " or "correcting misinformation " .I mean learning about the OS or talking Blackberry is clearly not on the agenda. So why not network with other Apple and Droid users? Why here? If everyone here is delusional or fanboys, why troll?? I mean, healthy debate is one thing, or suggested improvements, or helping a new BB user, but consistently instigating with terms and buzzwords like" ignorant " and giving a whole false plethora reasons why BB10 devices and OS'S are bad and seemingly going downhill with BlackBerry owners should not be looked at as anything other than what it is...trolling.

    ḅṛġḧẗ ẗ ḅ ṅ ṿṛṗṛċḋ ċṛṛṛ.
    I don't think in camps. But I also have never went to Imore to tell them they are ignorant and my phone is more useful.

    I sourced my info, but instead of talking about the source it was dismissed and I get called ignorant.

    Way to many documents and sources on google not being private or secure which is why some and a growing number do not use them. I have no clue on how that can be refused.

    The same users I have never heard them talk anything about bb10 or functions. I can go to any webpage...ad it to my homescreen and boom it just turned into an "APP" only I didn't have to register with it or give it info under the permise of "delivering me better and more personalized content" Information about users is just as good as currency and no.. no one knows if it stays secure with the developer or that company and who they sell it to...which is one of the many reasons I left droid and apple.


    I refuted the "what blackberry is doing" with a 50 minute interview with Chen...nobody watched listened or cared or discussed...and was told it was a lie on zero basis of explanation...
    Like I said, I've used androids and Iphones...seen the ads, the registering, app permission and out right spam in Apps and have had next to zero on BB10. So you don't think some of those ad cookies and registering is used to sell info or spy?? And how about the security risked involved with that.


    Sure I'm a BlackBerry fan, And when BlackBerry fell behind...I left, but came back BB10 is good and solid. Talk about innovation..they totally revamped the OS and on top of that offered things not found on Droid or Apple. Limited Apps...sure, but there are a lot of Apps that are security nightmares and it is a company that cares about security. And for a company reinventing itself it can't risk the very foundation it's known for...so it's handling that responsibly. I mean, have you heard about Blackberry hacked or security breaches??

    But yet time and time again... Blackberry is behind, for old people, lacks innovation, users are fanboys, they will never gain market share, BB10 is the buggiest software on and on and not true and yet not many call em on these statements and when they do they get slammed...that's not a healthy debate...that's a pissing contest. So I mean if you love your phone...great, share that love with your fellow forums.

    I personally don't go to Imore, or Android Central tell them they are ignorant and there devices are not good...so yes..i question your motives and it is logical.


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    You claim you don't think in camps, but it's very clear you look at things from an 'Us vs "Them"' mentality. You imply that anyone who has anything negative to say about BlackBerry must be an iPhone or Android user exclusively and "they" don't belong here. Is it so hard to fathom that people use multiple devices? That you can be a fan of something, and still acknowledge and recognize its faults and failings? That much like you did, people have left BlackBerry and come back, or are somewhere on the timeline (about to leave, just left, about to come back, just came back) and their current device, be it BlackBerry, iOS or Android, is not a qualifier of their status as a fan of BlackBerry?

    This forum is not just for people to worship at the feet of BlackBerry. It is a community where fans of BlackBerry, new and old, current, former, and future owners, can discuss all things pertaining to BlackBerry. The good, and the bad.
    03-26-15 01:51 PM
  8. tchocky77's Avatar
    March 27 might be some promising news. I've used Apple and Droids and transitioned back to Blackberry...that's promising. And though I might be one of the few, I doubt I'm alone... nobody gives any answers and why they feel the need to come to a blackberry site to continue to put em down. Disguised as " a different perspective " or "correcting misinformation " .I mean learning about the OS or talking Blackberry is clearly not on the agenda. So why not network with other Apple and Droid users? Why here? If everyone here is delusional or fanboys, why troll?? I mean, healthy debate is one thing, or suggested improvements, or helping a new BB user, but consistently instigating with terms and buzzwords like" ignorant " and giving a whole false plethora reasons why BB10 devices and OS'S are bad and seemingly going downhill with BlackBerry owners should not be looked at as anything other than what it is...trolling.
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    For myself,....I see so much written that is unsupportable, either because the poster is uninformed or simply lying, that I choose to correct it. Someone who doesn't know better should be able to find the correct information in the same thread as the incorrect.

    If I'm proven wrong, I own it and say so so that there's no confusion.

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    03-26-15 08:48 PM
  9. MarsupilamiX's Avatar

    I personally don't go to Imore, or Android Central tell them they are ignorant and there devices are not good...so yes..i question your motives and it is logical.


    ḅṛġḧẗ ẗ ḅ ṅ ṿṛṗṛċḋ ċṛṛṛ.
    Ignorance is a philosophical state.
    It's not an insult and being ignorant concerning one theme, doesn't imply ignorance on other levels.

    I am sure that you possess knowledge in a lot of areas, in which I lack it, and where it would be factually accurate to call me ignorant.

    Sadly for you, smartphones and certain tech companies like Apple, Google or BlackBerry aren't part of that.
    The posts you have written clearly show that you aren't capable of treating this subject unbiased and in an informed way.

    My motives for my posts are irrelevant. This is a public forum, and I post my opinions or facts, as long as I follow a certain rule set.
    Your incapability to accept, even though I already wrote it like 3 times, that I own a BlackBerry Z10 since launch, as my personal phone, is also slightly amusing.
    Even though my reasons are of no importance, it should be clear enough that I must like BlackBerry at least a bit, if I still have a BB10 device.
    03-27-15 09:21 AM
  10. jegs2's Avatar
    Spoke to my wife, and she has no interest in trading in her Note 4 for an iPhone of any kind.

    ... and I've no interest in trading in my Q10 for one.


    But do have Mac products with which I'm content.
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    03-27-15 10:26 PM
  11. anon(8080272)'s Avatar
    Spoke to my wife, and she has no interest in trading in her Note 4 for an iPhone of any kind.

    ... and I've no interest in trading in my Q10 for one.


    But do have Mac products with which I'm content.
    It won't happen, but I would love to see a trade-up program offered to BBOS users, to get then onto BB10.

    Even less likely, I'd love a trade up program for Q5, Q10 or Z10 users to get in on the Passport. A Q10 trade-up to Passport in particular would be a show of good faith, for all those who might have been disillusioned by the double-typing issues.

    Q10 SQN100-1- OS 10.3.1.2558 ... on its 3rd keyboard.
    03-30-15 09:54 AM
  12. birdman_38's Avatar
    It won't happen, but I would love to see a trade-up program offered to BBOS users, to get then onto BB10.
    You mean that one that should have been offered 2 years ago? I agree.
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    03-30-15 10:24 AM
  13. fishlove73's Avatar
    For myself,....I see so much written that is unsupportable, either because the poster is uninformed or simply lying, that I choose to correct it. Someone who doesn't know better should be able to find the correct information in the same thread as the incorrect.

    If I'm proven wrong, I own it and say so so that there's no confusion.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
    1) You didn't prove anything. I posted articles and links...what did you offer?
    2) then you still kept posting offering nothing cited or links and endless drivel about ignorance.
    3) CB 10 app for Android....with virtually nothing positive to say about Blackberry. I'm all for being the devils advocate and talking about device issues, but nothing good to say about the OS...ever?? Pretty much says it all.

    There's my proof! Go ahead..come back with colorfully written statements that offer nothing so that you are last on the thread for exposure sake...although I have no clue on what your trying to prove unless your doing some form of gorilla marketing for other OS.

    Normally I would get all tinfoil hat on ya, but seriously...nothing ever good to say about the OS?? Why is that man?

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    03-30-15 11:33 AM
  14. tchocky77's Avatar
    What are we talking about again?

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android

    On the previous page, I demonstrated that Apple makes 93% of all of the profit in smart phones.

    What else were we discussing?

    Are you the one that says iMessage is not encrypted? (End to end.)

    Because if you like, I can google that for you too.
    03-30-15 06:17 PM
  15. yokogeri374's Avatar
    You gotta laugh, otherwise you go mad!

    Posted via CB10
    03-30-15 06:29 PM
  16. eyesopen1111's Avatar
    The rumors are now reality. Apple is accepting trade-ins of BlackBerry, Android, and (drum roll, please) Windows Phone, all for store credit towards a new iPhone. I thought that ol WP might get invited to the Apple trade-in "party" and here it is before the new WP flagship hits market.

    Here's the link: http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-now-a...-rival-phones/

    Will it have an impact on BlackBerry? On the other players?

    And Im also unclear how the Apple Watch will be treated...??
    Last edited by eyesopen1111; 03-31-15 at 09:16 PM.
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    03-31-15 09:04 PM
  17. JeepBB's Avatar
    The rumors are now reality. Apple is accepting trade-ins of BlackBerry, Android, and (drum roll, please) Windows Phone, all for store credit towards a new iPhone. I thought that ol WP might get invited to the Apple trade-in "party" and here it is before the new WP flagship hits market.

    Here's the link: http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-now-a...-rival-phones/

    Will it have an impact on BlackBerry? On the other players?

    And Im also unclear how the Apple Watch will be treated...??
    I believe that the watch is excluded from the deal.

    I reckon BB should worry. All the disgruntled Z10/30 owners now have an opportunity to move to a discounted iPhone.

    Unlike BB's similar trade-in deal for the Passport, which I reckon was done more for the giggles than in serious expectation of gaining iPhone people, this Apple offer should gain traction.

    Wonder if my Lumia 920 is on the list ...
    04-01-15 03:03 AM
  18. anon(8080272)'s Avatar
    I believe that the watch is excluded from the deal.

    I reckon BB should worry. All the disgruntled Z10/30 owners now have an opportunity to move to a discounted iPhone.

    Unlike BB's similar trade-in deal for the Passport, which I reckon was done more for the giggles than in serious expectation of gaining iPhone people, this Apple offer should gain traction.

    Wonder if my Lumia 920 is on the list ...
    Blackberry's potential attrition to iPhone due to this does lie in two camps: the disgruntled (double-type sufferers for example), and BB users who are OS agnostics.

    Thankfully for BB, that's not a big proportion of its users.

    If anything, this will only make those who were already ready to leave do so a bit sooner.

    Q10 SQN100-1- OS 10.3.1.2558 ... on its 3rd keyboard.
    04-01-15 10:14 AM
  19. Bravurag's Avatar
    If I get IPHONE for free I shouldn't take!

    With diplomatic Passport
    04-01-15 12:14 PM
  20. kbz1960's Avatar
    I would take it and sell it.
    04-02-15 08:56 AM
  21. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    Blackberry's potential attrition to iPhone due to this does lie in two camps: the disgruntled (double-type sufferers for example), and BB users who are OS agnostics.

    Thankfully for BB, that's not a big proportion of its users.

    If anything, this will only make those who were already ready to leave do so a bit sooner.

    Q10 SQN100-1- OS 10.3.1.2558 ... on its 3rd keyboard.
    OT:
    My Q10 double-type issue was fixed in less than 20 minutes. 2min to order a kb+repair set on ebay, the rest to install and test it. :-D

      Passposted while waiting for the Z-lider....  
    04-10-15 09:49 PM
  22. Tatwi's Avatar
    I think the sole use case for higher spec'd blackberry phones is running android apps. 10.2+ already runs like butter on everything it can be downloaded to.

    Posted via CB10
    If that's true, then folks should just get an Android tablet or phone that is meant to run Android apps. Use the right tool for the job, basically.

    Why do folks seem to feel that one device should do everything?

    Personally, I now use a Q10 for communications, as my "daily driver" phone, because I feel it suits me better than the Z10. I also retired my Playbook and use the Z10 instead, because the Z10 makes a better tablet. I am very comfortable doing this, using two different tools for two different jobs.

    If I was made of money, I would replace my Z10 with a Passport, because the Passport would make for a nifty tablet. But, I would not ever use a device of any kind as large as the Passport as my phone. Honestly, the Curve 8520 is the perfect size for me when it comes to a phone I want to carry around all day. The Q10 is as big as I am willing to go.
    04-10-15 11:28 PM
  23. Apollo_IV's Avatar
    I'm getting an iPhone either way but hook me up!

    I'm done with this ****ty excuse for a company that's intent on doing everything to push customers away in favour of a few enterprise cookies.
    Last edited by Apollo_IV; 04-11-15 at 06:41 PM.
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    04-10-15 11:43 PM
  24. Glenn Biddle's Avatar
    I'm getting an iPhone either way but hook me up!

    I'm done with this ****ty excuse for a company who's intent on doing everything to push customers away in favour of a few enterprise cookies.
    Sweet go get an iPhone and please go hang out in imore and support them in the same way you have supported BlackBerry.

    Posted via CB10
    04-11-15 12:28 AM
  25. Apollo_IV's Avatar
    Sweet go get an iPhone and please go hang out in imore and support them in the same way you have supported BlackBerry.

    Posted via CB10
    Sis, I still own a Z10 and until I get rid of it I will continue to post on CrackBerry. If it makes that much difference to you, rest assured when my new phone arrives I'll sign up over there and do what I've always done: post like a normal person whose loyalty to a brand is limited to how their technology meets my everyday needs as opposed to waving a flag for a company that doesn't even know I exist (like hundreds of people across Mobile Nations do).
    Last edited by Apollo_IV; 04-11-15 at 06:43 PM.
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    04-11-15 12:59 AM
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