10-19-11 09:10 AM
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  1. rdkempt's Avatar
    Apple had already suggested the earnings would be less than expected for that quarter (even though the numbers were still great)... and those results don't include the iPhone 4S sales. This quarter is going to be absolutely phenomenal though.
    10-18-11 10:42 PM
  2. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    RIM misses earnings: Months of bad press, stock tanks, the masses and media declare the death of RIM, sky is falling, RIM on the verge of bankruptcy.

    Apple misses earnings: Analysis expectations were unreasonably high. Not even Apple could meet their expectations. To say analysts were "overly optimistic" is a gross understatement.

    What a world.
    NONSENSE! ... just excuses! .. they missed expectations, period! ...

    .. stock down over 7 percent in after hours trading ...
    10-18-11 10:50 PM
  3. rdkempt's Avatar
    NONSENSE! ... just excuses! .. they missed expectations, period! ...

    .. stock down over 7 percent in after hours trading ...
    The difference is RIM stocks have fallen nearly 70% in the last year while Apple's have climbed nearly 40%... pretty big difference.
    10-18-11 11:18 PM
  4. Economist101's Avatar
    The difference is RIM stocks have fallen nearly 70% in the last year while Apple's have climbed nearly 40%... pretty big difference.
    And as the previous commenter noted, "no excuses."
    10-18-11 11:23 PM
  5. graxyq's Avatar
    Shucks, so apple is not gonna hit the $400 bn mkt cap? I am shattered!!

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    Last edited by graxyq; 10-18-11 at 11:40 PM. Reason: Well..
    10-18-11 11:33 PM
  6. TGR1's Avatar
    Yo might be right. Without Steve Jobs at the helm there is without a doubt uncertainty in Apple's future. We'll just have to wait and see.
    Check out the guidance for next quarter. Something like 37 billion. From notoriously conservative Apple.
    10-18-11 11:34 PM
  7. dalton4L's Avatar
    To the people who think this is the beginning of Apple's downfall: Remember there was no new iPhone for Q4, all there was was the tail-end of the iPhone 4's dominance; save the doomsday talk for when Apple is worth less than a quarter of a trillion dollars and can't bail out America's debt with their cash stockpile.
    10-19-11 02:24 AM
  8. dentynefire's Avatar
    RIM doesn't have more money that the US government. There's a big difference between a floundering company on the brink of collapse and a company that has outsold the competition time and time again. Apple misses their earning mark? It's not a big deal, really it's not.
    If you want to talk about companies on the brink we can talk about Apple too. Lets also discuss RIMs' 80% year over year growth. Doesn't sound like floundering. I'm not saying RIM is perfect, and some aspects were horrible. You can't say the same thing with the new phones. They are fast.

    It is a new era for RIM. BBX OS not the legacy OS they were stuck on.

    So in one respect RIM has FAR more POTENTIAL than IOS or Android. They are well established and have not lost money AFAIK unlike Motorola Mobility for instance.

    Apple literally had to be bailed out by a competitor to avoid going out of business. That's a HUGE difference! How sad is that??

    Apples' growth rate is slowing, that means less reason to buy their stock. Watch out beeeloooooww. RIM only has up to go
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    10-19-11 07:41 AM
  9. Mystic205's Avatar
    this is a totally amusing thread..

    instead of decrying apple, or lauding RIM, or vice versa, simply go pull up a YTD stock comparison of the 2 companies, or 3 Mo, or 1 mo, or 1wk...

    not only amusing, pointless.. want FACTS??

    APPL up across the board relative to RIMM over any timeframe
    10-19-11 09:02 AM
  10. Eumaeus's Avatar
    Before the dancing begins on Apple's grave, it is worth noting that Apple didn't miss their own guidance, as RIM did, but merely the insanely high, pie-in-the-sky expectations of some analysis (and a lot of bloggers).

    It is also worth noting that during this "down" quarter, Macs alone brought in more revenue for Apple than RIM earned with its whole product line, as did iPhones, as did iPads.

    RIM's fortunes are independent of Apple's. They are highly dependent on RIM delivering something solid for customers, both their corporate mainstays and the consumers who are an increasing percentage of BB users. I think RIM is sending a confused message, which reflects a confused strategy.

    On the one hand, we hear "we are super secure and ideal for business." On the other we hear "Our increasing slide in the corporate ranks doesn't matter, because teenagers in England and folks in the developing world love our phones." What they are claiming to deliver (but haven't delivered yet) seems aimed at both, which is making it hard to execute.

    A vibrant app ecosystem, an all-new OS, and the traditional security model of "all data routed through our servers" seems hard for them to work out.

    They've got customers, money, and no debt now, so they have some time. But they don't have limitless time, and really need to start delivering.
    moiselles and TGR1 like this.
    10-19-11 09:08 AM
  11. brucep1's Avatar
    If you want to talk about companies on the brink we can talk about Apple too. Lets also discuss RIMs' 80% year over year growth. Doesn't sound like floundering. I'm not saying RIM is perfect, and some aspects were horrible. You can't say the same thing with the new phones. They are fast.

    It is a new era for RIM. BBX OS not the legacy OS they were stuck on.

    So in one respect RIM has FAR more POTENTIAL than IOS or Android. They are well established and have not lost money AFAIK unlike Motorola Mobility for instance.

    Apple literally had to be bailed out by a competitor to avoid going out of business. That's a HUGE difference! How sad is that??

    Apples' growth rate is slowing, that means less reason to buy their stock. Watch out beeeloooooww. RIM only has up to go
    This is funny.
    10-19-11 09:10 AM
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