1. dboy54's Avatar
    I really don't understand everyone's big concerns about the playbook having it's own PIN, BBM and BES/BIS access without a berry bridged or tethered on the wifi version. Why would current users want redundancy? If someone really wants to have this why don't they all ready have a blackberry phone. There are about 20 choices of phones all ready, I'm sure there is one that fits your needs. Plus I'm sure the 3G/4G (if you want to call it that) Playbook coming out a few months later will have its own dedicated PIN, so wait for it.

    I rock the torch (I'd still be rocking the 9000, my true love, if it had more memory) and I love everything it does. Sure there are better phones out there for games or apps (mostly time wasters anyways) but my torch does everything I want it to do because at the end of the day it is a phone! True that I am a bit bitter about the possibility of a torch refresh later this year but that is the tech world,wait a day and something better, faster, flashier comes out.

    I want a playbook for the things that my phone can't do or I don't want to do on a phone or the limited screen size I want my phone to have. I don't want to carry a bunch of devices that do the same thing on different screen sizes.

    All the mad speculation and ranting and raving about a device that has not even launched is driving me nuts. Especially when 90% of the rants are from people who have not even touched it.

    At the end of the day wait till launch, look at some hands on finished version reviews (or even play with it at a store) and if the wifi version gives you no love wait 2 months and get the 4G version and if it gives you no love buy something else. If you don't like anything else, you don't need a tablet.
    Last edited by dboy54; 01-14-11 at 06:03 AM.
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    01-14-11 06:01 AM
  2. jayp4969's Avatar
    I completely agree with you as to your answer to all the ranters on the site. Wait until you open your mouths. I mean most of what you are saying is speculation and you're just too darn picky.

    I do know that the main reason why people want bbm on the playbook is for their popularity. BBM is rarely used as just a corporate tool these days. I'm not saying that it isn't, but I bet that it's a small percentage of the people that purchase the playbook. I'm not a office type of guy at all, I work for a small local oil company and I will not be bringing the playbook to work at all. It will be a replacement device for my huge laptop. I'm rocking a 9700, and I'm completely fine with using the bridge to bbm as my phone is always on my side.

    Some people just want things to be perfect, because they believe that RIM being a huge manufacturer should be able to include every little item they ask for in a device. No one on this site is ever really happy with what comes out. Let's face it people, if RIM put every detail in this thing that you request, it wouldn't be launched until 2020 at best. Every 6 months there is a new data cable out, a new resolution, and new apps. I'm sure you all can get by with what they are producing. If not use a regular damn computer.
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    01-14-11 06:52 AM
  3. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Amen to that! As a big user of BlackBerry Messenger on my Curve 8520, I would find it very difficult to manage 2 PINs at once (that's gonna be a NIGHTMARE when I get my new BlackBerry smartphone, keeping the old one as my backup!).

    The Curve is the truly mobile device, the Playbook is meant to extend on that (and it will fit in my inside jacket pocket and stay there even with me sprinting, the 4G version would do that too, and it's aptly with Sprint. I will be rocking my Playbook, and the Torch 1/2.
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    01-14-11 10:26 AM
  4. Kerms's Avatar
    I don't want to use BBM. I want to use my exchange mail, nor do I care about having a PIN. I don't know any one personally with a BB that uses their PIN to message another user. The just simply text them.

    The question is why would RIM cut off a big corner of the market that they could potentially have? By the time they decide to encompass everyone it's may be too late. There are too many other choices to go with.

    The bridge is a good idea for those who would like to use their current BBM but it should have the option for allowing exchange active sync for those who don't.

    We have a BES but slowly moving away. Exchange has enough options to handle what is needed with out the extra cost.
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    01-14-11 11:52 AM
  5. WillieLee's Avatar
    Because the device performs at a level not seen in other tablets. Even the blogs that mock RIM as being yesterday's phone ran articles lauding the performance of the PB at CES. So of course, they have to find a reason to criticize it. Can't do it on the hardware, apps is an old horse to beat so the new tactic is "OMG! It cant use push services!" which isn't surprising for a device that has no PIN.

    When they release the versions with the radio in the summer it will most likely connect to the NOC so the critics will find something else to latch onto.
    01-14-11 12:01 PM
  6. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I don't want to use BBM. I want to use my exchange mail, nor do I care about having a PIN. I don't know any one personally with a BB that uses their PIN to message another user. The just simply text them.

    The question is why would RIM cut off a big corner of the market that they could potentially have? By the time they decide to encompass everyone it's may be too late. There are too many other choices to go with.The bridge is a good idea for those who would like to use their current BBM but it should have the option for allowing exchange active sync for those who don't.

    We have a BES but slowly moving away. Exchange has enough options to handle what is needed with out the extra cost.
    They are not cutting off a big corner of the market, they are releasing *for* it. This iteration of the PB is geared towards the business sector, those who already have BBerries, those who are on BES and will not put iOS or Android on their networks.
    The day this was announced my division went nuts over it. They're looking to pilot it instead of laptops to light users.
    01-14-11 12:33 PM
  7. Kerms's Avatar
    That's why I said potentially have and they are, it's already understood this thing will work with BES. Why not pick up some of the iOS and Android users also.

    Ehh we'll see. I still think they're going to toss in Exchange active sync at the last minute
    01-14-11 12:49 PM
  8. i7guy's Avatar
    I don't have a problem with the strategy. We have a huge, growing BES and I want the push email services.

    ipad and iphone cannot even communicate without jailbreaking I don't here people complaining about that.
    01-14-11 02:25 PM
  9. Kerms's Avatar
    I don't have a problem with the strategy. We have a huge, growing BES and I want the push email services.

    ipad and iphone cannot even communicate without jailbreaking I don't here people complaining about that.
    Communicating with one another is a little different than being able to email and do calendar functions.

    It probably won't happen this go around but I really expect to see Apple releasing an OS update to allow you to play music or access certain apps that are on your iphone from your ipad.

    It seems like they take the best thing going on in the jailbreak scene and make it a part of the OS

    Ex: ability to do the wallpapers, folders,now multitasking, now they added the hotspot and a few other things.
    01-14-11 04:17 PM
  10. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Ex: ability to do the wallpapers
    Amen to that. The female rep at the Carphone Warehouse was telling me which girly background I preferred so she could use it as her background on her iP4. Sorry dear, but BlackBerry has been able to do that for a long time.
    01-14-11 06:05 PM
  11. Kerms's Avatar
    Yeah almost every smartphone had that feature. I did on my old winmo phone for crying out loud LOL

    I really hope they have exchange active sync added. I wish it was only another carrier besides Sprint.

    Most of all I hope the PB does extremely well. Sort of an up your Steve Jobs 7" devices aren't DOA and people want them.

    Although I'm sure he'll back track and release one and say we've worked really hard to get the UI perfect for a 7" device and here it is blah blah
    01-14-11 10:31 PM
  12. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I really don't understand everyone's big concerns about the playbook having it's own PIN, BBM and BES/BIS access without a berry bridged or tethered on the wifi version. Why would current users want redundancy?
    I stopped reading here, because you obviously missed the point.

    RIM's current phones aren't good. Looks like they'll at least have passable phones coming out, but not until late Q3 or Q4 this year.

    Not everyone is a current user, so this functionality wouldn't be redundant to someone who wants a better phone in addition to the playbook.

    Making the playbook dependent on a RIM smartphone for this functionality (BBM is not that big a deal, Email and stuff without having to constantly go to websites to check it etc.) is a showstopper for people who use Android/iOS/WM/WP7/Symbian/WebOS devices that may have gotten it had it not been so tightly tethered to smartphones from one manufacturer. Paying for Exchange Hosting/BES (or even BES on top of you current Exchange hosting - which often costs more than the mailbox itself [and I'm talking 5-7GB Exchange Mailboxes with 100 MB SharePoint space/Public Folders) also makes the TCO of the device MUCH higher than comparable devices.

    No one needs to rage the Playbook on specs. It's only on par with everything else coming out (the Processor is somewhat worse than a Tegra II, in fact), which makes it even harder for people to accept these "percieved" deficiencies when they are also considering competing products with basically equivalent hardware and software that performs just as well (with much bigger/mature App Markets).

    Hope that clear some of the confusion up for you.
    Last edited by N8ter; 01-15-11 at 03:33 AM.
    01-15-11 03:27 AM
  13. espresso1967's Avatar
    No concerns here, only concern is when am I going to get my hands on this baby!!!

    I really don't understand everyone's big concerns about the playbook having it's own PIN, BBM and BES/BIS access without a berry bridged or tethered on the wifi version. Why would current users want redundancy? If someone really wants to have this why don't they all ready have a blackberry phone. There are about 20 choices of phones all ready, I'm sure there is one that fits your needs. Plus I'm sure the 3G/4G (if you want to call it that) Playbook coming out a few months later will have its own dedicated PIN, so wait for it.

    I rock the torch (I'd still be rocking the 9000, my true love, if it had more memory) and I love everything it does. Sure there are better phones out there for games or apps (mostly time wasters anyways) but my torch does everything I want it to do because at the end of the day it is a phone! True that I am a bit bitter about the possibility of a torch refresh later this year but that is the tech world,wait a day and something better, faster, flashier comes out.

    I want a playbook for the things that my phone can't do or I don't want to do on a phone or the limited screen size I want my phone to have. I don't want to carry a bunch of devices that do the same thing on different screen sizes.

    All the mad speculation and ranting and raving about a device that has not even launched is driving me nuts. Especially when 90% of the rants are from people who have not even touched it.

    At the end of the day wait till launch, look at some hands on finished version reviews (or even play with it at a store) and if the wifi version gives you no love wait 2 months and get the 4G version and if it gives you no love buy something else. If you don't like anything else, you don't need a tablet.
    01-15-11 03:32 AM
  14. bahandi's Avatar
    Funny how people shrug off the specs of the Playbook and claim that it's only "on par" with everything else coming out. But if it was the other way around, then it would be RIM playing "catch-up". RIM is always in a lose-lose situation, unfortunately.
    01-15-11 03:39 AM
  15. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Yup - totally agree with you. I generally ignore the wank3ers and move on.
    I undertand the intended market for this, I live within it every single day. The whiners, complainers and haters....meh....they just need to feel special.
    Right now my Division is trying to figure out who will get one. I know I won't get one, not with all my travels and now being able to telework for part of the week.
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    01-15-11 06:40 AM
  16. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    I am locked into BlackBerry. Having something like this effectively desells Android/WinMob for me. And either way, I wouldn't be going to the iPhone. Yes, I will class myself as an iPhone hater. I don't like the way it is locked to iTunes. I'm a WinAmp user. And I've not even loaded a hybrid OS on the BB yet, still official OS. And I've had it 8-9 month now.
    01-15-11 07:30 AM
  17. sleepngbear's Avatar
    The concern may be moot. Looks like at least native email, calendar and contacts will be available by release time. The Bridge app suite that hooks into the BB phone basically makes syncing a non-issue. But it appears that you won't need a BB phone for these functions.

    BlackBerry Bridge for PlayBook tablet preview (video) (updated) (see the update at the end of the article).
    01-16-11 01:33 AM
  18. Kerms's Avatar
    Doesn't really say at release, says as it evolves which could mean that native email/calendar apps could be on the 4G and not the release or you get them later via update
    01-16-11 10:58 AM
  19. fass's Avatar
    But I'm sure they would be included in an update for the first generation. I use google calendar so much now that this whole native/ tethering issue is becoming a non-issue.
    01-16-11 11:02 AM
  20. Kerms's Avatar
    I use Exchange for work. That's why it's important for me. If I didn't have exchange then I would do all my syncing with yahoo or gmail.

    We'll just have to wait and see.
    01-16-11 12:10 PM
  21. wassab's Avatar
    This is why RIM thought Tethering is a great idea especially for corporate users and now me think it will be great for consumers as well. One word wikileaks.

    News Headlines
    01-18-11 10:43 AM
  22. Kerms's Avatar
    The device it self wasn't hacked. An AT&T server was that had information on it was.
    01-18-11 11:17 AM
  23. StormJH1's Avatar
    People are worried because all of these questions should have been answered by now. RIM operates with a business mindset...I think what they're behind Apple in (even moreso than the technical aspects of their devices) is their corporate mindset and strategy for actually selling products to consumers. Apple throws a news conference whenever they want, and two months later you can buy their product.

    Meanwhile, RIM announced this thing, what, August/September last year? (Can't remember). And we still don't have a release date, nor do we even know exactly how much functionality will depend on tethering.

    Don't get me wrong, I have a 9700 and love it. If I decide to buy a PlayBook, I will use the tethering. But as a 29-year-old with more-than-average interest in gadgets, I feel like I'm increasing the minority using a BlackBerry. People are not going to run out and replace their iPhone with a Torch, or even Storm3 or Dakota b/c they think the PlayBook is cool.

    And as sure as RIM seems to be that people won't care about apps b/c they'll have the full fidelity of the internet (Flash, games, etc.), I'm not so sure. That's how people are accustomed to using their laptops, but Apple (and Droid, increasingly) have brainwashed them to believe that they should have apps to do all that stuff.

    This reminds me of real-time strategy games on gaming consoles. The consoles have tons of graphical firepower. They have the online infrastructure. There's really no reason they shouldn't succeed on consoles like they do on PC's......except that the interface is different (mouse vs. controller). It's easy to tell somebody "Go buy Angry Birds for 99 cents!". The stuff that RIM is touting is useful, but harder to sell.
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    01-18-11 02:07 PM
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