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  1. big samm's Avatar
    This guy is a tool because he is not saying much that is different than what RIM's co-ceos said during the earnings call a few weeks back.

    The only things that RIM needs to do to get back on track is to finish Playbook and get QNX phones out on time. Those are the big issues. Every other company has problems with developers or other things. He is picking on a software package (the native SDK) that isn't even out yet. This is one of the reasons why I think he does not even work for RIM. The idiots at BGR will give anyone a platform as long as they say bad things about RIM.

    that's exactly the point... why put out a device before releasing the native sdk ? they should of waited... Again look how apple works they give the beta to the devs months before releasing it so devs can test their apps and everything...

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    06-30-11 11:47 AM
  2. trsbbs's Avatar
    RIM's big mistake was not reacting swiftly enough to iPhone. RIM made a lot of other great decisions and had great earnings up until like two quarters ago.

    QNX is a good move, even if it should have been done earlier.

    This guy needs to spend less time writing letters to BGR and more time writing code. What a tool.
    RIM can not just react, if must be the one causing the reaction.

    To lead, not follow. Put Apple on the ropes.

    It's thinking like yours that got RIM where it is now. To follow, not lead.
    To react, not cause the reaction.

    Tool? I don't think so.
    Slow? Yes.

    Your opinion? Wrong.

    Do you work for Jim or Mike maybe?

    Tim
    06-30-11 11:49 AM
  3. trsbbs's Avatar
    No matter what, the leaders of this company MUST be held accountable for what has happend to RIM under their watch. Simple as heck.

    They let the hole get bigger and to appluad them for getting themselves out of it (if they do) is wrong.

    The hole should of never been allowed to be dug in the first place.

    If you allow them to remain history will repeat itself again.

    You cannot expect a different result from the same equation.

    Tim
    06-30-11 11:56 AM
  4. tprime's Avatar
    The first step RIM need to take is actually put out a new phone. A BB with 4G and ability to be used as a hotspot as well as touchscreen and keyboard (sounds like the boldtouch) would be a start.

    Believe it or not they are still plenty of people who swear by BBM and have no idea what QNX is. But the Bold 9700 is almost 2 years old. (sorry 9780 is a joke). When its time to replace a phone (contract is up) there is no new blackberry to buy. Thus everyone buys an android phone now. (If you want an Iphone you have long ditched BB).

    I think that is RIMs number one problem. While I love my playbook and the Tablet market is expanding the smartphone market is here to stay.

    Without putting out a new phone there is no way to compete. Even if the playbook was flawless you still need new phones.
    06-30-11 11:57 AM
  5. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    4) Developers, not Carriers can now make or break us

    We urgently need to invest like we never have before in becoming developer friendly. The return will be worth every cent. There is no polite way to say this, but its true BlackBerry smartphone apps suck. Even PlayBook, with all its glorious power, looks like a Fisher Price toy with its Adobe AIR/Flash apps.

    Developing for BlackBerry is painful, and despite what youve been told, things havent really changed that much since Jamie Murais letter. Our SDK / development platform is like a rundown 1990′s Ford Explorer. Then theres Apple, which has a shiny new BMW M3 just such a pleasure to drive. Developers want and need quality tools.

    If we create great tools, we will see great work. Offer **** tools and we shouldnt be surprised when we see **** apps.

    The truth is, no one in RIM dares to tell management how bad our tools still are. Even our closest dev partners do their best to say it politely, but they will never bite the hand that feeds them. The solution? Recruit serious talent, buy SDK/API specialist companies, throw a truckload of money at it Lets do whatever it takes, and quickly!
    This, to me, is the main issue. I am not saying that there need to be 500,000 apps. However, only having 20,000 apps is pathetic. Even Windows Phone 7 has already surpassed the 20,000 app mark, and they've done it in far less time.

    Why Nokia picked Microsoft: Windows Phone 7's 20,000 apps and counting
    06-30-11 12:04 PM
  6. shootsscores's Avatar
    I guess you missed this paragraph.

    "We simply have to admit that Apple is nailing this and it is one of the reasons they have people lining up overnight at stores around the world, and products sold out for months. These people arent hypnotized zombies, they simply love beautifully designed products that are user centric and work how they are supposed to work. Android has a major weakness it will always lack the simplicity and elegance that comes with end-to-end device software, middleware and hardware control."
    So happy I don't live in the igoulag.
    06-30-11 12:04 PM
  7. menaknow's Avatar
    I guess you missed this paragraph.

    "We simply have to admit that Apple is nailing this and it is one of the reasons they have people lining up overnight at stores around the world, and products sold out for months. These people aren’t hypnotized zombies, they simply love beautifully designed products that are user centric and work how they are supposed to work. Android has a major weakness — it will always lack the simplicity and elegance that comes with end-to-end device software, middleware and hardware control."
    If someone likes a product then it doesn't matter.

    If everyone bought a import car even though you loved your domestic, does that make you wrong for buying what YOU liked? Something that you enjoy?

    While I like to believe some people are not zombies following the masses, your post makes it seem otherwise.
    Last edited by menaknow; 06-30-11 at 12:09 PM. Reason: Mistyped
    06-30-11 12:06 PM
  8. frfghtr's Avatar
    This, to me, is the main issue. I am not saying that there need to be 500,000 apps. However, only having 20,000 apps is pathetic. Even Windows Phone 7 has already surpassed the 20,000 app mark, and they've done it in far less time.
    What I want is a device where I can install 20,000 apps. Now that would be cool.
    06-30-11 12:25 PM
  9. kbz1960's Avatar
    I'd rather have 50 worthwhile apps than 50 worthwhile apps and 1 million useless ones.
    06-30-11 12:32 PM
  10. xandermac's Avatar
    Everyone would but to get there you have to deal with the entire mix. Just download the ones you like and ignore the rest, simple.
    PlayBook apps are a classic example of crap mixed with 1 or 2 good ones, thats the nature of the beast. You have to allow the junk thru the door lest discourage others from even trying.


    I'd rather have 50 worthwhile apps than 50 worthwhile apps and 1 million useless ones.
    06-30-11 12:43 PM
  11. bb-bandit's Avatar
    RIM can not just react, if must be the one causing the reaction.

    To lead, not follow. Put Apple on the ropes.

    It's thinking like yours that got RIM where it is now. To follow, not lead.
    To react, not cause the reaction.

    Tool? I don't think so.
    Slow? Yes.

    Your opinion? Wrong.

    Do you work for Jim or Mike maybe?

    Tim
    This is what the elite companies do...good post.
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    06-30-11 12:43 PM
  12. Foreverup's Avatar
    This is what the elite companies do...good post.
    Not really most of the worlds best companies are never first, they built off the others that were first and do it better.

    Sony wasn't the first to use CDs in game consoles
    Apple wasn't the first touch screen phone
    Apple wasn't the first to offer mp3s

    Sorry for the small example but the article "Sometimes the bronze medal is the best." is pretty good
    Last edited by Foreverup; 06-30-11 at 12:57 PM.
    06-30-11 12:48 PM
  13. lawguyman's Avatar
    RIM can not just react, if must be the one causing the reaction.
    This is easy to say but hard to do.

    RIM did try quite a few different things - the Storm's screen/keyboard or the 7XXX's suretype keyboard for example, but those innovations never really caught on. I think that RIM believed that its customers required physical keyboards. I am sure that this is what RIM's customer's said over and over again in feedback. So, it took a while to realize that this was not so. Again, in retrospect it was clearly a mistake.

    If I am on anyone's payroll, I still have not gotten my check.
    06-30-11 01:17 PM
  14. SmakBerry's Avatar
    When I bored, I like hanging around a dearlership, wait for someone to purchase a brand new car and then follow them around and tell them what a big mistake they made.
    I thought I was the only one
    06-30-11 01:36 PM
  15. blackjack93117's Avatar
    When I bored, I like hanging around a dearlership, wait for someone to purchase a brand new car and then follow them around and tell them what a big mistake they made.
    Hilarious frfghtr! High 5! I mean really, that's how freakish this behavior is.

    I've tried to be polite and stay out of this one and let the RIM death wishers have their day but that one is priceless.....thanks for filling in you're the official commander of the troll patrol.

    At least I can't be accused of stirring up trouble in here. This time anyway.

    Now back to my popcorn.
    .
    Last edited by blackjack93117; 06-30-11 at 01:55 PM.
    06-30-11 01:51 PM
  16. blackjack93117's Avatar
    This, to me, is the main issue. I am not saying that there need to be 500,000 apps. However, only having 20,000 apps is pathetic. Even Windows Phone 7 has already surpassed the 20,000 app mark, and they've done it in far less time.
    Only 20,000 apps? What will I do with all my spare time? Oh yeah I can post in crackberry. Whew!
    06-30-11 01:59 PM
  17. kb5zht's Avatar
    Okay i have been saying that there must be something bad wrong with rim internally, while rim drones, zombies and fanbois pounced on me for daring to suggest what is plainly before our eyes.

    The fact that the playboom firmware is now 60+ days out from launch and this device has virtually gone nowhere is proof rim, for whatever reason, just is incapable of moving anymore.

    Why did a letter like this come out and now everybody is like "oh yea we agree! woohoo +1 blah blah blah"? yea nice followers of the mob crowd out there! lol lol

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
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    06-30-11 02:03 PM
  18. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Only 20,000 apps? What will I do with all my spare time? Oh yeah I can post in crackberry. Whew!
    I am not saying that I would want the majority of apps that are available on other platforms. However, having the apps available will attract customers.

    When folks look for a specific app and see it is only available for certain platforms, and BlackBerry is not one of those, that does impact their purchase decision.
    06-30-11 02:05 PM
  19. esqlaw's Avatar
    Playbook doesn't need Apple's apps (I don't mean literally Apple's apps, I mean volume). And one guy's opinion, even from within, isn't going to change that. It may be true - that playbook needs more apps - no one is denying that in fact. It may be furthermore true that the playbook needs more apps to sell to the masses. That's because the masses have already bought into this idea that apps are important.

    Its not all about apps. No one doubts that apps are important. But people (and I mean PB owners) aren't worried about apps. The product is freakin brand new OS and if that still hasn't sunk in your head... wow - you'd be stupid. To the employee- its not all about the apps.

    If its all about the Apps... why is that number 4 on his list? Its true, they need software for the playbook, but that is make or break in several months. Whats the point of having 100,000 apps for a small market? They need to increase the market for their apps by selling more playbooks. And this is best accomplished by solid marketing and continuing to polish the playbook. We know polish (android player) is coming and has arrived in part but as for marketing - working with retailers, getting public attention, and reversing skepticism - is not quite there yet.

    As a playbook owner, I don't worry if the playbook sells 500,000 or 50,000,000 units. The playbook is almost everything I want it to be. I imagine it will be perfected by the playbook 2. I hope RIM gets to make it.

    And one last thing, I think the people who over-value apps are just short-sighted and undervalue the QNX OS. If you bought the PB expected a ton of apps, well, you made a mistake. You didn't do your research. Or you didn't make the connection what the new OS meant.
    Last edited by esqlaw; 06-30-11 at 02:27 PM.
    06-30-11 02:06 PM
  20. xandermac's Avatar
    I think the TwoClowns believe this also, which explains where they are. The best selling platforms have the largest App eco system, that can't actually be disputed. It really is All About the Apps..... Even RIM know this which is why they're scrambling to get developers thru whatever means necessary, ie: AIR, FLASH, Java Player, Android Player, NDK...... The only question remaining is, is it too late, have the big developers moved on? It sure seems that way.

    [QUOTE=esqlaw;6449089]

    And one guy's opinion, even from within, isn't going to change that.

    Its not all about apps.

    why is that number 4 on his list?QUOTE]
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    06-30-11 02:12 PM
  21. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Its RIM's turn, the fall of a major company (cell phone or not) happens when you don't change the 10 year old mission statement. Its not the first time and it won't be the last time that a company "failed" due to its inability to CHANGE with the time
    06-30-11 02:14 PM
  22. raremage's Avatar
    Its all about the Apps!. The very reason I returned my PlayBook.

    "4) Developers, not Carriers can now make or break us

    We urgently need to invest like we never have before in becoming developer friendly. The return will be worth every cent. There is no polite way to say this, but its true BlackBerry smartphone apps suck. Even PlayBook, with all its glorious power, looks like a Fisher Price toy with its Adobe AIR/Flash apps."
    I've been saying this since I got my Playbook. They need to make a big investment in third parties to port the cool apps over, or things will get uglier.

    And it doesn't matter if some folks on this board think Apps are not necessary (trying to substitute Flash for apps) - the general consumer wants apps, and they will buy and keep devices that offer them, not ones that don't.
    06-30-11 02:17 PM
  23. lnichols's Avatar
    They don't need a ton of apps, but they do need the big ones that people are posting in the 20 apps contest. I bet if you take everyone's responses, weeded out the duplicates, the list would be about 200 or so, and that is what they need to focus on. That would actually be great for Crackberry to take that list, and rank them then give it to RIM a prioritized list. So many apps in all of the app eco-systems are duplicates or junk, but all have a core set that people want and expect. 20,000 I would think would be more than enough if you had the high demand ones covered. I mean Xbox360 only has 811 "apps"/titles available. I do think that RIM should be paying company's like Citrix, Netflix, Rovio, etc cold hard cash to get the apps out quick and give them a better percentage of the sales of those apps. They need to get the developers and Ecosystem going and ROI is the best way.
    Last edited by lnichols; 06-30-11 at 02:19 PM.
    06-30-11 02:17 PM
  24. esqlaw's Avatar
    I've been saying this since I got my Playbook. They need to make a big investment in third parties to port the cool apps over, or things will get uglier.

    And it doesn't matter if some folks on this board think Apps are not necessary (trying to substitute Flash for apps) - the general consumer wants apps, and they will buy and keep devices that offer them, not ones that don't.
    They definitely do need to capture many third party dev's but in addition to helping them port the app over, they need to make it simple to reduce maintaining that app after each update and major change. You'd think it wouldn't be much but you must consider the multiple platforms, running multiple OS, and different versions of a single OS.
    06-30-11 02:21 PM
  25. raremage's Avatar
    Playbook doesn't need Apple's apps (I don't mean literally Apple's apps, I mean volume). And one guy's opinion, even from within, isn't going to change that. It may be true - that playbook needs more apps - no one is denying that in fact. It may be furthermore true that the playbook needs more apps to sell to the masses. That's because the masses have already bought into this idea that apps are important.
    And in the end, that's really all that matters.

    The perception has become the reality.
    Last edited by raremage; 06-30-11 at 02:30 PM.
    06-30-11 02:23 PM
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