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  1. E92Vancouver's Avatar
    The problem with RIMM is that the U.S. market is dead to them. Americans only want American products and that means Apple. Motorola running Android will pick up the Anti Apple crowd.

    Blackberry makes nice products but they are always behind the 8 ball. Many free apps on my 3GS and Nexus S are not even available on my Berry or cost money.

    The Berry OS is tired and long on the tooth. And what is with those 5 minute boot up times?

    For messaging and battery life, the Berry can't be beat.

    The BES and BIS which brought RIMM to greatness is now the anchor around their neck. I bought an Android phone originally because they were the first to have wifi hot spot. Also, I travel internationally a lot. When I travel to a host country, I buy a prepaid data SIM card, pop it into my Android phone and I have mobile internet and full email.

    Roaming charges on a Blackberry are horrendous and Blackberry email and internet doesnt work with prepaid data SIM cards even if they are unlocked. Some countries are starting to offer prepaid BIS plans though.

    I have a 3GS because it is a cool OS. It was revolutionary when it came out. It is a fun toy but crappy for banging out lots of messages as is the Nexus S. I would have an iphone 4 of Apple did not pull that micro SIM BS.

    Blackberries are the only smartphones without a wifi hotspot. WTF???? When will RIMM wake up. Daft moves like this by management will drive the stock into the ground.

    They better start paying a dividend.
    Last edited by E92Vancouver; 04-30-11 at 03:41 AM.
    04-30-11 03:19 AM
  2. tcjohnsson's Avatar
    I'm surprised BB isn't out of business yet. I've been using my Sprint Bold 9650 for nearly a year now... AND IT'S STILL THE BEST PHONE THEY HAVE OUT TODAY.

    Unbelievable.
    04-30-11 04:29 AM
  3. ekafara's Avatar
    I'm surprised BB isn't out of business yet. I've been using my Sprint Bold 9650 for nearly a year now... AND IT'S STILL THE BEST PHONE THEY HAVE OUT TODAY.

    Unbelievable.
    "AND IT'S STILL THE BEST PHONE [FOR ME THAT] THEY HAVE OUT TODAY."
    There we are, fixed that for ya : )

    They have phones out for everyone. Just need to find the one for you. I love my 9700. I would love to have the Torch too, and the ones that they are coming out with are going to be awesome(looking at leaked info). Then when they get to QNX it should be a great time to be a fan of RIM, or any consumer really.

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    04-30-11 04:44 AM
  4. XPEH's Avatar
    Here is a positive spin that I surely hope proves true:
    Too Soon to Give Up on RIM - Barrons.com
    04-30-11 05:29 AM
  5. ekafara's Avatar
    Here is a positive spin that I surely hope proves true:
    Too Soon to Give Up on RIM - Barrons.com
    Damn..."Login to read more". Not too keen to make an account for one story.

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    04-30-11 07:18 AM
  6. pattste's Avatar
    The problem with the growth in sales is it is declining in a market where overall smartphone sales are increasing. That suggests RIM's market share is declining.
    But of course RIM's market share will decline. With smartphone sales seeing triple or quadruple digit increase and major players entering the market left and right, was anyone stupid enough to believe that RIM would maintain a quasi-monopolistic hold on the smartphone market and keep it's marketshare stable?

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    04-30-11 09:00 AM
  7. katiepea's Avatar
    Dude. That's not even 3 months. Verizon kept a lot of users away from the iphone. Lot's of Verizon subscribers are currently on contracts they can't get out of. They are using Android phones and can't wait to get an iphone.
    i don't understand all this b.s. surrounding media and forums about people on android that can't wait to get an iphone, nielson just released surveys that stated that for the first time ever more people want android as their next platform than ios, put that on top of the fact that android is now the #1 smartphone in marketshare and sales and you have indisputable facts.

    ios is seeing very little growth at this point.
    04-30-11 09:50 AM
  8. The_Engine's Avatar
    Take same survey in Sept whec iPhone 5 comes out. Although ios is getting a bit stale. Face time didn't really have the impact they wanted.

    Wonder what icloud will do

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    04-30-11 10:15 AM
  9. ekafara's Avatar
    Take same survey in Sept whec iPhone 5 comes out. Although ios is getting a bit stale. Face time didn't really have the impact they wanted.

    Wonder what icloud will do

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    The only time I have seen or heard of my friends using Face Time was when they were messing around. I think having it on wi-fi only really screwed it up for them.

    I don't really know much about cloud is all about. But RIM now has a cloud company so we'll see what happens with it.

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    04-30-11 10:23 AM
  10. ADGrant's Avatar
    The problem with RIMM is that the U.S. market is dead to them. Americans only want American products and that means Apple. Motorola running Android will pick up the Anti Apple crowd.
    I am guessing that a lot of Americans don't know that RIM is not an American corporation.
    04-30-11 01:28 PM
  11. sleepngbear's Avatar
    One thing people need to remember is that investors can't see anything beyond the end of the current quarter. RIM gave guidance a few weeks ago for a solid performance for the whole year, but a weak first quarter -- stock tanked. They come back a few days ago and revise guidance downward for this quarter, stock tanks again. Nobody is looking at or caring about what they've been building up in order to move ahead and become competitive again. New phones with OS 7, QNX, acquisitions out the wazoo, everything they're doing to strengthen their position for years to come means nothing today. One guy says 'boo', the whole lot of them collectively jump. That's the lemmings on Wall Street. If they can't make a buck off you tomorrow, they don't want to talk to you. It happens to every company at one time or another. It's both sad and frightening, because it has a lot to do with the near complete financial meltdown that we're still barely recovering from.
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    04-30-11 02:24 PM
  12. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    The problem with RIMM is that the U.S. market is dead to them. Americans only want American products and that means Apple. Motorola running Android will pick up the Anti Apple crowd.
    As an American, I can with relative confidence state that your assumption is an entirely untrue generalization.
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    04-30-11 02:25 PM
  13. sleepngbear's Avatar
    As an American, I can with relative confidence state that your assumption is an entirely untrue generalization.
    Completely agree. When it comes to technology, nobody cares where it's made or the location of corporate headquarters. All that matters is how well the tech works for them. BlackBerry's work well and intuitively, which is why they haven't taken more of a beating while everybody else's hardware is smoking them. Add some high-end hardware to BB's characteristic usability, which we'll be seeing in just a few months, RIM can get back into the thick of things.
    04-30-11 04:52 PM
  14. Rooster99's Avatar
    ... I find Wall Street and it's reactions somewhat amusing (down 14.05% today closing at $48.65). Most companies (in other sectors and industries) would love to grow at a 20% growth rate. ...
    Sorry, but this makes no sense. You have to compare within sector and industry for the comparison to be valid. Leading retailers are happy with high single and low double digit growth rates. So should they beat themselves up they're not getting the 40% growth rates in the cell phone industry? No - the cross-industry comparison is meaningless.

    So RIM is doing better regulated utilities? Great! <sarcasm>

    - R.
    04-30-11 06:56 PM
  15. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    As an American, I can with relative confidence state that your assumption is an entirely untrue generalization.
    As a Manufacturer I can say you are the exception

    when Putting the Branding "Made in America" on a Product line it's sales increased exponentially.

    When doing Trade shows with the general public in attendance, in Canada 1 in 10 people will ask country of origin, And of them maybe 1 in 5 will say something favorable if mentioned it is made in Canada / North America

    in the USA 2 in 3 People will ask, and 50% of them will Say something positive if Made in the USA, 99% will say something negative if Made in China or India.
    04-30-11 08:43 PM
  16. howarmat's Avatar
    i honestly never care where something is made. i guess maybe since i like technology and electronic stuff i would rather it not be made in the USA. So much is no longer made in the USA it would be hard to really only buy from US made items
    04-30-11 09:02 PM
  17. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    i honestly never care where something is made. i guess maybe since i like technology and electronic stuff i would rather it not be made in the USA. So much is no longer made in the USA it would be hard to really only buy from US made items
    It is pretty much impossible to find electronics made in the US anyway. AFAIK, there are no smartphones made in the US at all.
    04-30-11 09:10 PM
  18. E92Vancouver's Avatar
    As an American, I can with relative confidence state that your assumption is an entirely untrue generalization.
    There is this Amercian named Barack. His last name escapes me. But he has this "Buy American" rally going on right now. I think he calls it "Putting America Back to Work".

    Donald Trump wants tariffs on imports from China.

    GM is coming back as the number 1 auto maker.

    Folks, its time to buy Amercian. Apple is designed and engineered in America! Motorola is designed and engineered in America. Google is American.

    Let's go America. Throw those Canadian and Korean phones away!!!

    If RIMM can't get traction in America, they are dead! Most Americans have no idea what a Blackberry is. I've had American's see my Torch and ask me how I like my Palm Pre. This is entirely RIMM's fault.

    RIMM was primarily a business tool catering to the corporate sector. They did not care about the retail consumer.

    When I first started buying smartphone's, Berries and their plans were too expensive. I was buying Palm 270's, 300's, Tungsten W's, Treo 600's, Treo 650's and Treo 680's.

    The retail market was an after thought to RIMM and initially they did well because of push email. Now they are getting smoked.
    Last edited by E92Vancouver; 04-30-11 at 09:32 PM.
    04-30-11 09:19 PM
  19. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Folks, its time to buy Amercian. Apple is designed and engineered in America!
    All iPhones are manufactured in China. 1 Million Workers. 90 Million iPhones. 17 Suicides. Who’s to Blame? | Magazine

    I do not know any Americans who refused to buy an iPhone due to conditions of Chinese iPhone factories.
    04-30-11 09:31 PM
  20. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    There is this Amercian named Barack. His last name escapes me. But he has this "Buy American" rally going on right now. I think he calls it "Putting America Back to Work".

    Donald Trump wants tariffs on imports from China.

    GM is coming back as the number 1 auto maker.

    Folks, its time to buy Amercian. Apple is designed and engineered in America! Motorola is designed and engineered in America. Google is American.

    Let's go America. Throw those Canadian and Korean phones away!!!

    If RIMM can't get traction in America, they are dead! Most Americans have no idea what a Blackberry is. I've had American's see my Torch and ask me how I like my Palm Pre.
    There's a big difference between promoting "Buy American" vs enervating the American manufacturing industry to once again building products that the consumer would "Want to buy American." I think you've got the two premises confused.
    04-30-11 09:36 PM
  21. E92Vancouver's Avatar
    There's a big difference between promoting "Buy American" vs enervating the American manufacturing industry to once again building products that the consumer would "Want to buy American." I think you've got the two premises confused.
    Not really. No one in this world is more patriotic than an American. It doesn't matter if we are taking about Apple, Ford, Chrysler, Hewlett Packard or Dell. Americans are putting America back to work. They are buying American. It's real and it is happening.

    Americans make good products. Boeing, General Electric, General Dynamics, etc are industry leaders. America is buying American.

    If you are American and own a blackberry, you are an anomoly. You are a heretic.

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    05-01-11 02:23 AM
  22. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    ===== QUOTE rmjones101 ====

    There's a big difference between promoting "Buy American" vs enervating the American manufacturing industry to once again building products that the consumer would "Want to buy American." I think you've got the two premises confused.

    ===== /QUOTE ====

    Not really. No one in this world is more patriotic than an American. It doesn't matter if we are taking about Apple, Ford, Chrysler, Hewlett Packard or Dell. Americans are putting America back to work. They are buying American. It's real and it is happening.

    Americans make good products. Boeing, General Electric, General Dynamics, etc are industry leaders. America is buying American.

    If you are American and own a blackberry, you are an anomoly. You are a heretic.

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    Apple is not an American-made product. Their factories are in China.

    Posted from my BlackBerry using BerryBlab
    05-01-11 02:29 AM
  23. E92Vancouver's Avatar
    Apple is not an American-made product. Their factories are in China.

    Posted from my BlackBerry using BerryBlab
    Apple is American owned,designed and engineered. That's all that matters.

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    05-01-11 02:38 AM
  24. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    Apple is American owned,designed and engineered. That's all that matters.

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    So what was really an American car: my Ford Escort built in Mexico, or my Honda Civic built in Ohio?

    Does it only matter if the American workers involved are white-collar? Does it not count if a foreign-owned company employs blue-collar American workers in American factories?
    Last edited by lak611; 05-01-11 at 02:47 AM.
    05-01-11 02:42 AM
  25. E92Vancouver's Avatar
    So what was really an American car: my Ford Escort built in Mexico, or my Honda Civic built in Ohio?

    Does it only matter if the American workers involved are white-collar? Does it not count if a foreign-owned company employs blue-collar American workers in American factories?
    The ownership is what matters. Ford is American owned. Honda is Japanese owned.

    Where it is made is irrelevant.

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    Last edited by E92Vancouver; 05-01-11 at 02:55 AM.
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