1. JadedNYer's Avatar
    I am the parent of two NYC public school students. First let me explain the school situation here - a lot of districts do not have zoned middle or high schools so starting in the sixth grade students often have to travel on their own. A cell phone is almost a must.
    My 11th grader attends a school with 1100 students. The phones his friends have run the gamut from flip phones to iPhones and BlackBerries. My understanding is that his friends who have iPhones complain about AT&T and battery life. My kid has a BlackBerry with about 70 BBM contacts - all of whom, with the exception of myself, are high school students.
    My 8th grader who attends a school with 300 students has a G2 but just asked me to hook up a back up BlackBerry to "test". When I asked what friends have BlackBerries the answer was, "everyone."
    04-03-11 09:20 AM
  2. K Bear's Avatar
    A lot of high school and junior high school kids have Blackberrys. They are cheap for parents to buy (usually because they are BOGO), BBM cuts down the text messaging costs, and kids can easily hide what they are doing from their parents. It's the same reason criminals, government, and business use Blackberrys.
    04-03-11 10:27 AM
  3. Michelle Haag's Avatar
    Thread cleaned. Stop the insults already people. Move on to something productive please.
    04-03-11 04:34 PM
  4. Jake Storm's Avatar
    Thanks Michelle, but how about using some of that thread cleaning enthusiasm for deleting some trolling posts.
    Seriously, I'm not questioning the cleaning you did here, just wish some of the trolls could be tamed a little. CrackBerry is by far the worst forum I have read when it comes to allowing trolls to degrade the enjoyment of a forum. Far too many are hiding behind the excuse that they "used to own a BB" so somehow that gives them the right to tell everyone who still has one how much they suck. When there is little moderation of the trolls, other users tend to call the trolls out themselves and it often degrades into insults.
    04-03-11 09:12 PM
  5. missing_K-W's Avatar
    i hear ya, but not at the HS level. THe business world, yes..but the youth in the schools are not using BB from what I have seen. And it s not like its 60-40 iPhone to BB.....its 100% NON BB......the youth of this country has been brainwashed to droid and iPhone....Faculty (me) with BB's are laughed at...thats one reason I bought a tbolt....
    I've noticed many of your posts in multiple threads to support many ignorant biased views...supported by a negative sentiment that backs no truth ,with very distorted perceptions. Of which translate to your posts being that of exaggerated falsehoods!

    Shame on you for lowering yourself to a standard which allows yourself to spread written diarrhea that lacks any basis of intelligence to be remotely taken seriously!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Last edited by missing_K-W; 04-03-11 at 10:04 PM.
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    04-03-11 09:59 PM
  6. bp3dots's Avatar
    From someone who sells phones.. One reason BB is so strong in the younger population is the cost of the device. Most young people don't have A: the $$ or B: The credit, to get iPhones or nicer android phones. Every carrier usually has at least one free BB that is a much nicer device than a messaging phone. Even the Torch is ofter selling for $30 compared to $200 for an iP4.

    If there are no free entry level android phones, BB will fly off the shelves. The weeks when phones like the optimus (for example) are free, I rarely see any BB purchased.
    04-04-11 03:39 AM
  7. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Since this discussion began I've begun to pay particular attention to what kids are using while on the train, at the malls, etc. I see so many with BBerries that it would be easy to assume that they have it as part of BOGO. As a matter of fact, it's one of the arguments people use to discount the numbers of units sold.....when the quarterly calls mention the number of units moved, the response always leads t BOGO.
    I know in my family, where there is a quite a number of young people, the majority use BBerries. Couple of iPhones and Androids, but it's primarily BBerries.
    It only makes sense, as the dad in a previous post mentioned - they use BBM. Incessantly!!!
    04-04-11 04:11 AM
  8. Megahurts's Avatar
    In this part of the UK at least, BB's are very popular with kids in the 16-21 age range. Most of my daughters college class have BBs, mostly various models of Curves and a few Pearls.

    At lot of this is down to the pricing - between 100-250 for the various Curve models. Most teens here use also PAYG/Pre-pay sims since contracts usually require you to be 18 cost from 20 upwards and generally have a minimum 12month buy-in period.

    Carriers like T-Mobile will give you six months of PAYH BB services for 20, or 30 for 3-mobile plus a 10 top-up every month, for free use of BBM and depending on the carrier probably a few hundred free texts as well.

    Given that a decent 'droid handset costs in the region of 200-500 sim-free and iPhones either need a contract or to be bought off eBay, BBs are the cheapest option for either the parents that buy the handsets, or the kids who buy their own.
    04-04-11 05:15 AM
  9. dodger_moore's Avatar
    Sounds like RIM have been very clever then to move into a part of the market that was left wide open by all the others.

    That's the best way to build brand loyalty - get them into the brand with an entry level product and then once the kids get jobs and some financial independence, they'll be moving onto the Playbook and QNX devices.
    04-04-11 09:48 AM
  10. grncherry1's Avatar
    Sounds like RIM have been very clever then to move into a part of the market that was left wide open by all the others.

    That's the best way to build brand loyalty - get them into the brand with an entry level product and then once the kids get jobs and some financial independence, they'll be moving onto the Playbook and QNX devices.
    Don't bet on it. As soon as the summer vacation job money starts they go get an Android or IPhone. Been through that routine several times. They outgrow the BB.
    04-04-11 10:18 AM
  11. anon1727506's Avatar
    Sounds like RIM have been very clever then to move into a part of the market that was left wide open by all the others.

    That's the best way to build brand loyalty - get them into the brand with an entry level product and then once the kids get jobs and some financial independence, they'll be moving onto the Playbook and QNX devices.
    What... the bottom of the market where your phones have to be given away to get people to use them??? Sorry but I don't see that as being the best marketing strategy.

    RIM's really in a catch 22 situation... most of their customers want better hardware, but many of them (especially Corporate) want the keep the cost of ownership down.

    That aside, my now grown kids just went through their first upgrade cycles... those with smartphones all went from BB to Android. My daughter wanted an iPhone, but ended up with a Droid X on SALE for free. Think they would have all stayed with BB, if RIM had a device on Verizon that wasn't past it's prime already.
    04-04-11 10:35 AM
  12. i7guy's Avatar
    What... the bottom of the market where your phones have to be given away to get people to use them??? Sorry but I don't see that as being the best marketing strategy.

    RIM's really in a catch 22 situation... most of their customers want better hardware, but many of them (especially Corporate) want the keep the cost of ownership down.

    That aside, my now grown kids just went through their first upgrade cycles... those with smartphones all went from BB to Android. My daughter wanted an iPhone, but ended up with a Droid X on SALE for free. Think they would have all stayed with BB, if RIM had a device on Verizon that wasn't past it's prime already.
    Free and BOgo are exactly the right price. That aside I got my kids iphones wife tour me s2. I wouldn't let my kids get Droids, since I paid for it I had the finally say.

    Wife and I will upgrade to s3 when it hits.

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    04-04-11 11:54 AM
  13. dutchtender's Avatar
    you are right. young people, like pretty much all people, have this strong "desire", when their contracts come up, to trade BBs for Iphones and Androids.
    04-04-11 02:42 PM
  14. sleepngbear's Avatar
    you are right. young people, like pretty much all people, have this strong "desire", when their contracts come up, to trade BBs for Iphones and Androids.
    Yeah, all of them except for the 55 million who don't.

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    04-04-11 03:21 PM
  15. i7guy's Avatar
    Yeah, all of them except for the 55 million who don't.

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    Lol nice comeback.

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    04-04-11 03:40 PM
  16. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    One has to be able to recognize a BlackBerry to "count" someone using it. If one can't "recognize" because of any impediments, then one can't really say they see people using it.
    No one down here uses Blackberries, unless their work makes them, for the most part. Insulting people does nothing but make you look like a troll. There are people down here who will take a payday loan out to get an iPhone before they bother embarassing themselves with a Blackberry.

    Some people think I was being trollish when I said having a blackberry was embarassing down here. Seriously, you will get laughed at for having one. At the rink where I skate all the young ones have iPhone 4s, as well as their mothers and grandmothers. ONE coach has a Blackberry. That's it, and it's a cheap Sprint Curve (maybe she upgraded to a Curve 3G by now). I'm the only one with an Android or WP7 device who goes there... Everyone has either an iPhone (huge majority) or a feature phone (2 people I know). With that one Blackberry, of course.

    The little kids who don't have phones tend to have iPod Touches.

    Peer pressure is strong for this demographic. They tend to use or want what their peers find most acceptable. Blackberries aren't that - at least not here.
    Last edited by N8ter; 04-04-11 at 03:57 PM.
    04-04-11 03:42 PM
  17. grover5's Avatar
    No one down here uses Blackberries, unless their work makes them, for the most part. Insulting people does nothing but make you look like a troll. There are people down here who will take a payday loan out to get an iPhone before they bother embarassing themselves with a Blackberry.

    Some people think I was being trollish when I said having a blackberry was embarassing down here. Seriously, you will get laughed at for having one. At the rink where I skate all the young ones have iPhone 4s, as well as their mothers and grandmothers. ONE coach has a Blackberry. That's it, and it's a cheap Sprint Curve (maybe she upgraded to a Curve 3G by now). I'm the only one with an Android or WP7 device who goes there... Everyone has either an iPhone (huge majority) or a feature phone (2 people I know). With that one Blackberry, of course.

    The little kids who don't have phones tend to have iPod Touches.
    Where is "down here" and why would you let other peoples impressions dictate your purchasing habits?
    04-04-11 03:54 PM
  18. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Down South. Mississippi, Texas, La. That area. Don't feel the need to disclose my location to such a degree on a forum :P

    And it's not about me. We're talking about a specific demographic. I haven't been in that demographic for a decade, and peer pressure plays a huge role in what is acceptable in the teen sub-culture.
    04-04-11 03:58 PM
  19. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I would also say that I don't think someone who would take out a payday loan to buy the "it" phone is very responsible. That kind of recommendation is not one I'd go after.
    Did I say it was responsible or acceptable? I'm just telling you how it is. They'll get an i4 any way they can, or just settle for a cheap $49 i3GS if they have no other choice. They don't buy Blackberries unless for work, and those phones typically aren't paid for by that consumer (work buys them).

    Work is getting people new phones here (Verizon brought Centennial) and lots of people are opting to keep using their own personal iOS and Android phones instead of getting Blackberries from Verizon for work use (turning down free phones :P ). Some people even got work to pay a portion of their personal bills so they wouldn't have to use a Blackberry.

    There are also a growing number of people here using second hand iPhone 3GS phones with pre-paid AT&T SIM cards in them, as well.
    04-04-11 04:01 PM
  20. rollingrock1988's Avatar
    Down South. Mississippi, Texas, La. That area. Don't feel the need to disclose my location to such a degree on a forum :P

    And it's not about me. We're talking about a specific demographic. I haven't been in that demographic for a decade, and peer pressure plays a huge role in what is acceptable in the teen sub-culture.
    You do know that the largest growing demographic for blackberries is black people right? Down south black people outnumber white people, so statistically what you are saying doesn't make sense.
    04-04-11 04:12 PM
  21. grover5's Avatar
    They're not skewed, and I go to competitions all around the region and don't see any. Most people simply don't want them. It's that simple, and I don't know why observations that do not fit your "acceptance" have to be skewed. If I had said BBs were everywhere, you'd have raved and praised such an observation.

    Also, your emphasis on "Down Here" would be a bit less dumb if your info didn't say "Downtheshore and thensome."
    It's ridiculous to suggest you know how many people carry BBs in such a large region based on what you have seen. I have many family members and friends in the south and some of them have BBs by choice and like them to boot. I don't recall them having checked in with you...do you think you might have missed them?
    04-04-11 04:31 PM
  22. rollingrock1988's Avatar
    also- "BlackBerry was the No. 1 selling smartphone brand in the United States, Canada, Latin America and the U.K. for calendar 2010," according to research firm IDC's "Worldwide Mobile Phones Quarterly Tracker."
    04-04-11 04:52 PM
  23. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    also- "BlackBerry was the No. 1 selling smartphone brand in the United States, Canada, Latin America and the U.K. for calendar 2010," according to research firm IDC's "Worldwide Mobile Phones Quarterly Tracker."
    The Deep South is only a portion of the US, and there are other states in the country who aren't located down here, but have enourmous populations.

    California and New York being the most notable.

    You don't have to be a best seller in the Deep South to be a best seller Nationwide. You just have to get by, which RIM can do easily via the corporate sector.
    04-04-11 05:01 PM
  24. sleepngbear's Avatar
    I would assume that it's at least related to the disorder that many BB users are plagued with that makes them take shots at Android and especially Apple for no good reason other than to justify carrying a slow, antiquated (not so) smart phone in 2011.

    Sent screaming from my ThunderBolt at 4G speeds.
    Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A.

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    04-05-11 10:34 AM
  25. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Let's face it, there's a proportion of BB users here who want to see all iPhone and Droid users dead. I bet there's people in my friendship network of BB users who would try and blow my parents up if they knew they had iPhones.

    I'm a BlackBerry user, and yes, BBs are still the top selling smartphone in the UK. FOR NOW! Will 2011 change that? I don't know. Bear in mind the UK is also hit by draconian restrictions of max web per month being 1GB, and "Unlimited" data is 500MB. That's what keeps BB selling. If we had the US's data plans (4-5GB), then I think BB would have 0% market share in the UK.

    And yes, I plan to keep sporting BlackBerry. I'm in the process of buying myself a 2nd hard drive to install Microsoft Server 2008, Microsoft Exchange, and BESX.
    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 04-05-11 at 10:48 AM.
    04-05-11 10:46 AM
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