1. devGOD's Avatar
    So really i'm seeing sites being listed/created and post for movies. But how legal is this? From what i've read about the laws its perfectly legal to "rip" a dvd that "you own" for personal use. But sharing that ripped movie you own for profit or free is illegal. So what makes this section of crackberry legal? People go crazy when a game like "drug lords" is created and featured on the main page of crackberry... citing this is a family site, yet illegal movies are being ripped and posted for free download.

    With all of that said my question was based on personally wanting to know how legal/illegal this section is...why because I own over 740+ dvds (yes own over $12k worth of dvds) and I'm in the process of ripping all to a media server for home use. Now, if its legal by any chance for me to post all of those movies online in a smaller .mp4 mobile format i'll do it in a heart beat for everyone here. But, the legal stuff has to be clear before I think about doing that, 1-2 movies posted is fine but 740+ movies i'd be a nice target for a lawsuit if its 100% illegal.
    03-29-10 12:46 PM
  2. EnergyPlus's Avatar
    I think you have already answered your own question. Obviously, copying and distributing copyrighted content is illegal. Do so at your own risk.
    03-29-10 01:07 PM
  3. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    I personally think it's illegal and people who post them do so at their own risk (and benefit to others).
    03-29-10 01:10 PM
  4. GlitchZero's Avatar
    North America in general is pretty ballsy about pirated stuff (see: Pirate Bay debockle), but it's not like this sub forum is international waters where the laws don't apply or something. They do, but Moderators aren't lawyers. Not everyone knows piracy laws in their full extent, and so content is content. As long as it's not advertisements, pornography, etc, it's good to go, including illegal pirating.

    In my opinion, I definitely would not put up 740+ movies because you're basically painting a giant bullseye on your IP address for the F.A.G.'s of the movie industry.(aha, Team America reference!) But that's just me. I use the same name for everything so for me, GlitchZero is just a substitute for my real name. If you think you're anonymous enough online, you might get away with it. Or you might not, who knows.
    03-29-10 01:12 PM
  5. Reed McLay's Avatar
    The purpose of this sub-topic is to share information about converting and using video on BlackBerry.

    There never was an intention to create an outlaw movie resource to rival the Torrent down loaders.

    We rely on our members to police the forums and report occurrences of illegal activity. They will be dealt with.

    Keep it Legal
    No posting of Warez in the forums, such as links to download warez, instructions on "cracking" software, or "workarounds" that enable people to utilize for-pay services without paying. Posting this kind of content can result in an immediate and permanent ban. These kinds of activities can get CrackBerry.com in trouble, and nobody wants that, so just don't do it.
    ...
    In future, those members that desire to post links to download sites should create an off-site page, hosted at their own risk, to linked to the downloads.

    You may post a link to such a listing page, but no links to directly download file, unless you are the content creator with that legal right.

    There have been massive post and thread deletions. If OP members need access to the deleted posts for the purposes of moving the list off-site, please contact a Moderator.
    03-29-10 01:19 PM
  6. StPaulGuRu's Avatar
    So just a question for comparison...

    So it's fine to post links to pirated movies (by this forum's standards), but it's not OK to talk about or post info how to unbrand a BlackBerry?

    Help me understand the logic here?
    03-29-10 01:22 PM
  7. BBThemes's Avatar
    not to `rock the boat` but what about leaked OS`s? as these arent meant for public distribution (allegedly, however im still under the impression RIM use us a ginneau pigs) shouldnt they as such be removed?

    im just saying lol, but no dont remove the links to leaked OS`s but i guess one could say its a slippery slope as such
    03-29-10 01:27 PM
  8. devGOD's Avatar
    Thanks for all the post, i'll keep my private collection private. I don't want to take the risk. When mobile video streaming gets better i'll look into that, since I can prove ownership of all movies and as long as the movie content is not being kept by the viewer at the end I should be fine.
    03-29-10 01:30 PM
  9. devGOD's Avatar
    not to `rock the boat` but what about leaked OS`s? as these arent meant for public distribution (allegedly, however im still under the impression RIM use us a ginneau pigs) shouldnt they as such be removed?

    im just saying lol, but no dont remove the links to leaked OS`s but i guess one could say its a slippery slope as such
    I think RIM knowingly releases the beta OS. I just find it hard to believe a company that has the #1 business secure phone can't stop there beta OS's from being leaked on a monthly bases
    03-29-10 01:32 PM
  10. Username5300's Avatar
    I think RIM knowingly releases the beta OS. I just find it hard to believe a company that has the #1 business secure phone can't stop there beta OS's from being leaked on a monthly bases
    Really....comon......Really????
    03-29-10 01:41 PM
  11. GlitchZero's Avatar
    So just a question for comparison...

    So it's fine to post links to pirated movies (by this forum's standards), but it's not OK to talk about or post info how to unbrand a BlackBerry?

    Help me understand the logic here?
    Uh..links to pirated movies would still be 'warez' or whatever, technically. They would still want it reported.
    03-29-10 01:50 PM
  12. devGOD's Avatar
    i would love to do something like mSpot Mobile Movies for the Crackberry community mSpot Mobile Movies - stream and watch movies instantly on your PC and phone for free. I just have to look more into the laws on streaming personally own movie and i'd do it for $2 a month or free depending on the overhead cost. I'll look into it and let everyone know what I find.
    03-29-10 02:10 PM
  13. BBThemes's Avatar
    I think RIM knowingly releases the beta OS. I just find it hard to believe a company that has the #1 business secure phone can't stop there beta OS's from being leaked on a monthly bases
    hence the `ginneau pig` comment, they should call it `accidentally leaked on purpose`
    03-29-10 02:32 PM
  14. CharredPC's Avatar
    There's really no question of legal vs illegal. It's 100% against the law, or the FBI warnings wouldn't be at the beginning of videos. Everyone just skirts the issue by saying "well, I link to it, but it's not specifically on my web space" (even if they uploaded elsewhere themselves), or "this is for informational purposes only!" ...please On some level everyone knows it's wrong. Most people just don't care. It goes on so rampantly all over the net, it's no big deal, right?

    The reality is that as long as they don't think they'll get caught, people will do most anything they want. With online copyright trafficking, it's a slim chance you'll be the one nabbed (unless you're the one running a website promoting piracy). Just remember slim does not equal none, and the RIAA wins case after case with millions of dollars in judgments each year against people that didn't think sharing was a big deal.

    I'm not claiming to be any kind of a saint. I had a pretty successful website / streaming venture of UK material for people in the USA until the BBC themselves stepped in and contacted me. It was really nice to hear them compliment my work, but of course it had to stop. As fun as that was, you won't catch me doing it again.
    03-29-10 08:42 PM
  15. abtxpress's Avatar
    So does anyone know the per-say fine for each movie you download to watch?
    Also even if you delete the movie after viewing your ip address is still logged on the dl site so your still facing the fine or jail time?
    I just found the video links last night and before I do anything I would like to no what can happen.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-05-10 04:41 PM
  16. CharredPC's Avatar
    So does anyone know the per-say fine for each movie you download to watch?
    Also even if you delete the movie after viewing your ip address is still logged on the dl site so your still facing the fine or jail time?
    I just found the video links last night and before I do anything I would like to no what can happen.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Like I said in my post just above yours, it's a gamble. Most people don't get caught... which makes most people feel safe doing it. There's no set fine per song or movie, but the ones that get caught get it big. We're talking jail time or thousands / millions of dollars in fines. They tend to make examples of anyone they catch. As far as what evidence they need- that's up to the courts, but in the past, sometimes an ip address has been enough.

    Bottom line, legally it's no different than stealing stuff from a store or someone's house. Morally... it's your call. Realistically, it's usually thought of as a "victimless crime" because your download isn't removing the movie from anyone else. Just do some research, get informed, think about it, and decide what to do. The internet is a big place, so there will always be places to get illegal things for free. But that doesn't always make downloading it the best choice.
    04-05-10 06:35 PM
  17. abtxpress's Avatar
    Like I said in my post just above yours, it's a gamble. Most people don't get caught... which makes most people feel safe doing it. There's no set fine per song or movie, but the ones that get caught get it big. We're talking jail time or thousands / millions of dollars in fines. They tend to make examples of anyone they catch. As far as what evidence they need- that's up to the courts, but in the past, sometimes an ip address has been enough.

    Bottom line, legally it's no different than stealing stuff from a store or someone's house. Morally... it's your call. Realistically, it's usually thought of as a "victimless crime" because your download isn't removing the movie from anyone else. Just do some research, get informed, think about it, and decide what to do. The internet is a big place, so there will always be places to get illegal things for free. But that doesn't always make downloading it the best choice.
    See we normally just view a movie but sometimes that can be a pain in the keister with the buffering. And we have broadband.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-05-10 09:16 PM
  18. tjlamro's Avatar
    Hmm not sure about this one
    04-05-10 10:17 PM
  19. Valace2's Avatar
    Two wrongs don't make a right, but I feel that charging 25 bucks for a new release should be a crime in todays economy, and it shouldn't take a small personal loan from a bank for a family of four to go to the damnn movies and get popcorn and pop.

    I think gouging the public should be illegal.
    04-07-10 10:28 AM
  20. CharredPC's Avatar
    Two wrongs don't make a right, but I feel that charging 25 bucks for a new release should be a crime in todays economy, and it shouldn't take a small personal loan from a bank for a family of four to go to the damnn movies and get popcorn and pop.

    I think gouging the public should be illegal.
    I agree it's unfair, but I understand the business decisions behind it.

    Movie theaters are making much less money than they used to. New technology requires special 3D equipment; PPV, Netflix, and maybe even pirating eats into their previous clientele. Frankly, a lot of today's movies really suck, but they don't make the movies, so can't help that. So what to do? Upper management decides that to keep profits up, they have to increase prices a bit. Then things get worse, so they do it again. Rinse and repeat.

    Now going to the theater consists of the ticket ($8.50 for a matinee), popcorn (tiny bag for $3.50), soda (small for $3), and snacks (gummy bears for $2.50)... X2, because no one goes to the movies alone. After dropping $35, you realize you could have waited a month or two and bought the friggin Blu-Ray version of the movie for what you paid to see it once. A couple people get wise to this, stop going... so they raise prices again...

    It does suck. I don't have an answer how to fix it. But as you said, two wrongs don't make a right- pirating likely just adds to the problem. The only way to legally "beat the system" quicker is to wait until the movie you want to see comes to the dollar theater, then don't buy refreshments. Though sneaking in candy breaks the rules too
    04-08-10 12:48 PM
  21. slalom's Avatar
    I thought that converting movies for personal use (which could include sharing with friends) was completely legal. I don't see the big studios releasing content formatted specifically for BB - so most content you can't purchase in the right format even if you wanted to.

    I guess the question is, is sharing with the Crackberry community personal use?
    10-25-10 10:42 AM
  22. CharredPC's Avatar
    I thought that converting movies for personal use (which could include sharing with friends) was completely legal. I don't see the big studios releasing content formatted specifically for BB - so most content you can't purchase in the right format even if you wanted to.

    I guess the question is, is sharing with the Crackberry community personal use?
    Personal use is just that- personal. It doesn't mean friends and family. It's actually even illegal to gather more than X amount of people in front of a DVD you've just bought and watch it (I forget the actual number). No, I'm not kidding, silly as it is. And corporations and the law don't care that some specific media isn't compatible with a specific device. Trafficking is still trafficking in their eyes.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think it hurts anyone. But it's good to be informed of the facts
    10-25-10 11:54 AM
  23. biohazard79's Avatar
    In Belgium it is verry strange;..
    Ripping DVD's is Illegal, except for own use;...
    BUT distributing them in another format then the manufacturer isn't, as long as you gain no profit from it...
    10-28-10 01:59 AM
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