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  1. allmixedup93's Avatar
    There's been talk of a mac version of DM before but we need something comparable in functionality to DM...that is free. Macs are gaining on PC's even in the work place. It's time for RIM to put out a quality app for us. It would be nice to put some of these leaked OS's on my phone but don't want to drop $300 on windows so it can ruin my mac.

    Please RIM...
    04-29-09 02:31 PM
  2. smackdab's Avatar
    A cure for cancer will arrive before a native DM for the mac
    04-29-09 02:38 PM
  3. Tylang59's Avatar
    you dont have to "pay" for windows...
    04-29-09 02:39 PM
  4. smackdab's Avatar
    and it won't cost $300 to put a virtual environment or run bootcamp on your mac.
    04-29-09 02:40 PM
  5. allmixedup93's Avatar
    dont you need a full version of xp/vista to use fusion/parallels/boot camp? i would rather not put windows on my computer but RIM may make me.
    04-29-09 03:05 PM
  6. smackdab's Avatar
    You are going to have to put windows on your mac but you don't have to pay for anything but a slimmed down version like XPHE and you can get that for about $100
    04-29-09 03:10 PM
  7. smackdab's Avatar
    You don't HAVE to put windows on your mac unless you are desperate to install the leaks
    04-29-09 03:16 PM
  8. Pete6's Avatar
    Please search before posting this subject yet, yawn, again. It comes up roughtly once a month and the answer is always the same.

    OTA upgrades are the way forward and I cannot see RIM putting out every OS it makes in Mac format as well as PC. It would take forever and cost a fortune.

    Macs are at best 7% of the non vertical (graphics + audio + specialist) market and their market share is falling, not growing as the OP suggests.
    Mac U.S. sales fall year to year for first time since '03
    Apple's Mac sales slide three per cent - The Inquirer
    Research firm: Mac sales fall six percent in January | Business Center | Macworld
    04-29-09 03:29 PM
  9. Cowadin's Avatar
    i think with the focus of WES being mainly software oriented (5.0), it would be possible to announce a mac DM as well.. so thats what I'm holding out for.

    though tbh, with all the extra work it might imply with making 2 versions of every OS -- i might have to agree with the cancer-curing comment..
    04-29-09 03:31 PM
  10. MureEtMusc's Avatar
    Macs are at best 7% of the non vertical (graphics + audio + specialist) market and their market share is falling, not growing as the OP suggests.
    Mac U.S. sales fall year to year for first time since '03
    Apple's Mac sales slide three per cent - The Inquirer
    Research firm: Mac sales fall six percent in January | Business Center | Macworld
    Mac sales may be falling somewhat, but the much larger PC market as a whole is crashing. The only thing saving the Windows side of the market is ultra-low-margin $300 netbooks... everything else is taking a beating. This eWeek article found some Gartner stats, with data showing that the total global PC market (both Windows and Mac) shrunk 6.5% for the first quarter of 2009. (Both Apple and Gartner's numbers are in terms of total numbers of computers sold, not dollar volume.)

    Not only are netbooks ultra-low-margin (Acer's profits dipped 31%, largely due to slim netbook margins), but Microsoft is having to give away Windows XP at $15 a copy to fight Linux until netbook-optimized Windows 7 comes out, because Windows Vista can't run well on netbooks. (A shame, because Microsoft could have dominated the market with a modern OS and not a seven-year-old one...)

    Suddenly, a 3% drop doesn't seem so bad after all. And when you lose 3% of the market as opposed to 6.5%, you're actually gaining market share.

    That being said, as one of the posters said, WES is heavily software-focused this year, with BES 5.0 and such. But there's a bunch of clues:
    PocketMac has stopped support for their own BlackBerry product (but not their non-BlackBerry products) and refers you to RIM for limited support (RIM no longer officially supports Missing Sync for BlackBerry since the v2.0 launch). RIM has changed the wording regarding OS updates on their forums from "a PC is required" to "a PC is currently required". And RIM has been hiring Mac software developers like crazy.
    Last edited by MureEtMusc; 04-29-09 at 04:32 PM.
    04-29-09 04:24 PM
  11. skwij's Avatar
    OTA upgrades are the way forward and I cannot see RIM putting out every OS it makes in Mac format as well as PC. It would take forever and cost a fortune.

    OTA may be the way of the future, but one would still be tied to their carrier's "official" OS for their Berries.

    I for one am thankful I was able to use a leaked OS well before my carrier released their "official" upgrade.

    The only difference between Winblows format and Mac format is good code, built on UNIX, not leftover hodgepodge from the win3.1 days. That and the garbage pile that is the Registry. Oh, and the holes in the mish-mash code.

    Also, "official" versions of VMware Fusion and Parallels cost money, as does an "official" XP or Vista. We shouldn't have to pay another $200-250 for LEGIT ways to run Winblows on our Macs, just to be able to LOAD APPLICATIONS, and do proper backups and restores on our Berries. The Mac options when running a Berry are pathetic, compared to Desktop Manager and Loader.exe for Winblows.

    allmixedup93 keep an eye out for MacUpdate bundles. Often Parallels or VMware are included in the bundle, for a reasonable price. Macrumors.com often will have a shout-out for the latest bundle.

    You could also haunt the demon's oid or isohunt for some love.


    I for one really resent having to fire up VMware once a week to back up my Berry. 3 years ago I thought I'd turned my back on Micro$oft, and now I have to use it again. Blech!
    Last edited by skwij; 04-29-09 at 09:25 PM.
    04-29-09 09:20 PM
  12. StormDiva's Avatar
    I don't care so much about OTA updates, etc... what I'm fried about is the inability to have a native sync for iCal, Mac address book, tasks, etc. It's ridiculous. I've been through both Pocket Mac and Missing Sync (yes, the latest versions), and I've had no luck with either - both stopped working for me after about 2 weeks. I'm now onto Google Sync, but that's really limited.

    Frankly, this is the ONLY issue that tempts me to go with a Jesus Phone next time around (OMG, I don't believe I just said that!).
    04-30-09 12:14 AM
  13. nobius's Avatar
    I for one really resent having to fire up VMware once a week to back up my Berry. 3 years ago I thought I'd turned my back on Micro$oft, and now I have to use it again. Blech!
    Well technically you don't need vmware or parallels. Bootcamp comes free with Leopard. You only need a copy of windows.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-30-09 12:43 AM
  14. skwij's Avatar
    I realise that with bootcamp you can dual-boot and run Windows natively but
    I personally prefer using OS/X while Windows runs in the background. The less I see o Windows the better I like it.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    04-30-09 03:49 PM
  15. califjewls#CB's Avatar
    A cure for cancer will arrive before a native DM for the mac
    LOL Im beginning to think your right!!

    Why should Mac owners have to buy anything, windows users don't have to buy anything to get their Blackberries and computers to get along... There should be a windows/mac software version on every CD that is packaged with a product.. Apples are and will always be superior to any windows based PC out there!
    Last edited by califjewls; 04-30-09 at 06:35 PM.
    04-30-09 06:30 PM
  16. mrpalmer420's Avatar
    I e-mailed RIM yesterday and told them the concerns i have about being someone that wants a blackberry but have no access to windows.

    I got a very secretive e-mails simply saying that as Employees of a publicly traded company, they have access to information that cannot be made public because of insider trading information.

    Being an optimist, i took this to mean that They will be announcing something in the near future, but i do realize that i can be taken the other way as well.
    05-01-09 11:32 AM
  17. xxfire's Avatar
    We get the same answer over and over...

    NO LOVE ANY TIME SOON !

    Why do they need to? They giving the link to Pocket Mac for free...

    iPhone will be on Verizon before RIM releases the OSX desktop stuff..
    05-01-09 12:26 PM
  18. Pete6's Avatar
    I kep saying this, over and over. I do not believe that it is going to happen.

    The Microsoft market share is 97% of the worldwide computing market Microsoft has 97% of OS market, says OneStat.com | Web 2.0 Explorer | ZDNet.com. This speaks for itself. It is cheap and very easy to use and simply gets the job done. It is easy for help desks to suport too and when it goes wrong, it is easy to fix too. Even with Vista being a total failure, it has still outsold everything eles massively. My expectation is that when Windows 7 is release, the percentage will increase. The industry has fed off each other good ideas since Apple ripped off Xerox's graphical interface in 1978. Microsoft then ripped off Apple and XWindows for Unix/Linux copied that. Where will it end?

    Microsoft Windows is nearly everybody's first choice - I know it's mine and I have used just about every OS on the market since 1965, including every release of MacOS. Why would RIM even look at enabling OS upgrades for such a tiny market share when (according to MureEtMus) MS are selling XP at $15 a copy. Macs can mostly run XP so you have a viable (if not liked) solution for $15.

    As a sync solution, you may not have seen doubleTwist for Mac + BlackBerry Users Makes Media Easy | CrackBerry.com which is reprted to sync Macs with multiple devices. Of course it won't update your OS but there now seem to be 3 products on the market that will sync your Macs. On my PC, I only have one.
    05-01-09 03:06 PM
  19. nobius's Avatar
    We get it Pete. You like Windows.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    05-01-09 04:30 PM
  20. Pete6's Avatar
    We get it Pete. You like Windows.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Yes, I do like Windows (it's my personal choice) but it won't stop me from helping you guys out if it is possible.

    I honestly wish that RIM would/could get a Desktop Manage that would do updates for Macs. It would stop me having to say the same stuff about once a month.

    The Mac OS is now pretty solid since it has becoame Linux based. I really hated the old OS/9 and earlier co-operative task sharing (very flower power). I like the Mac's ability to outpout near perfect and very consistent PostScript code because this is a part of the OS and is why the Mac is the standard in graphics and desktop publishing.

    The fact that the hardware is only made by Apple means that software can be written to couple very tightly to the hardware and this is the reason that the Mac is the standard in the audio recording industry.

    I fix Macs regularly and whilst they do not often go wrong, when they do, it takes twice the time to unravel than a PC. I know both systems pretty well having used Apples since the Apple II and PCs since they only had DOS and floppy disks.
    05-01-09 06:30 PM
  21. ScandaLeX's Avatar
    If I went by everything I read on forums, my life would be at a major standstill. No one knows if/when RIM will create a DM for Mac. All the naysayers would have us believe it'll never happen but honestly, they don't know.

    No one expected RIM to make a BB for the casual users either. Not everyone is the world even wants to use windows....RIM will eventually come to realize that too!

    I say keep speaking up people. Pocket Mac and Missing Sync are NOT the answer.
    05-01-09 06:37 PM
  22. xxfire's Avatar
    YaY for you Pete.. why are you even HERE in this fourm?

    You don't get it...

    We don't need ANOTHER way to drag and drop media... Any monkey can do that...

    We want to sync contacts and calendars.. the "free" one isn't worth the time of the d/l and the pay one just doesn't work.
    Last edited by xxfire; 05-01-09 at 08:24 PM.
    05-01-09 08:19 PM
  23. dbrits's Avatar
    YaY for you Pete.. why are you even HERE in this fourm? We don't need ANOTHER way to drag and drop media... Any monkey can do that...

    We want to sync contacts and calendars.. the "free" one isn't worth the time of the d/l and the pay one just doesn't work.
    Yes. Exactly.

    I could care less about media; that's what my iPod is for. I would just like the ability to sync the contacts and calendar on my BlackBerry with my Mac. As it stands, Missing Sync duplicates my entire phonebook every time I try to sync, and PocketMac refuses to sync my calendar. It's a no-win situation...
    05-01-09 08:38 PM
  24. califjewls#CB's Avatar
    Im certainly NOT holding my breathe! PocketMac is worthless and MissingSync is not much better... ughh
    05-01-09 10:13 PM
  25. skwij's Avatar
    Pete6, Mac OX/X is UNIX based, not LINUX based. Big difference!

    I also think that 97% market share for Winblows is optimistic. The ONLY reason it's as high as it is is because Winblows is installed on most PCs. Same reason MOST Winblows users use Internet Exploder and Outlook Express. The system comes with it, so might as well use it.

    That doesn't make it the best. It just makes it the uneducated user's default. Sorry, but Mac OS/X Leopard runs rings around anything else out there, when compared to Winblows, Linux distros (just way too much work and fiddling to get to work right) and hard core UNIX (not user-friendly at all).

    While we Mac users may be in the minority, we choose to use superior tools, and that includes a Blackberry. We should have the same options as people using Winblows and Desktop Manager. DM is a great piece of software, which should be made available to those of us who choose to run "the other OS".

    califjewels, DITTO. Well said.
    05-01-09 11:59 PM
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