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- I couldn't care less about sales stats. I buy what I want--not what sells the most. Sometimes what I want coincides with the market leader and other times it doesn't. big deal. I don't follow "fashion" or trends--I simply do my homework and pick the products that I believe will work the best for ME.12-10-10 01:18 PMLike 0
- It definitely would have helped their sales to have had something new and exciting released on the BB front other than refreshes.
Then again, for the consumer market it is hard to beat their other lineups for things the average consumer is going to want such as the web, and so forth...12-10-10 01:25 PMLike 0 - pcgizmo#IMCrackBerry Ph.D.Buyers just aren't snapping up BlackBerries. Android sells, Storm2 fails!K Bear likes this.12-10-10 01:37 PMLike 1
- they def have no prob pushing the droid sales. About 3 or so wks ago, I went into my local Vzw store to check out the Bold to be sure that will be my next device. Upon entering the store, a rep was there to greet me, ask me what device I'm interested in and then casually (sp?) Told me about the Samsung Fascinate, which just so happened to be right next to the Bold I was interest in. I said politely "no thanks, I'm a blackberry fan" So does this stat chart surprise me? Not in the least bit, but there are plenty of Blackberry users that will stay with the device because it has what they as a user needs. Like myself.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com12-10-10 01:45 PMLike 0 - I couldn't care less about sales stats. I buy what I want--not what sells the most. Sometimes what I want coincides with the market leader and other times it doesn't. big deal. I don't follow "fashion" or trends--I simply do my homework and pick the products that I believe will work the best for ME.
Thnx, �Tripster�
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comr69l likes this.12-10-10 02:01 PMLike 1 - Yeah it's the android pushing. Me and my wife went into a VZW store cuz the Sprint one didn't have functional BB displays out. Even after I told the salesman that my wife just wanted to look at the curve (we looked at some androids at the Sprint store), he kept talking about his android. He left us alone tho when I told him we were staying with Sprint tho.12-10-10 02:23 PMLike 0
- I am beginning to think google bucks (perhaps via the manufacturers) are available to t s vz and tmo salesman to push "droids"....
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12-10-10 02:26 PMLike 0 - this shouldnt matter to VZW, they get sales of Android instead to replace BB sales lost for the most part, but RIM cant be happy to be losing that many sells in the nations largest carrier12-10-10 02:31 PMLike 0
- I think so too - that or VZW just gets a bigger cut of the sale from Android. And I suppose there's no import/export fees to worry about either.12-10-10 02:32 PMLike 0
- pcgizmo#IMCrackBerry Ph.D.Exactly, I doubt Verizon cares which device they sell. Consumers are choosing Android.12-10-10 02:46 PMLike 0
- I suspect that graph will only look even worse for RIM (on a % basis) once VZW starts carrying iPhones.
I'd also be interested in seeing a chart that showed VZW's total growth in smartphone unit sales and the various smartphone brands represented on that same chart. For example sake, if VZW sold 1 Million BBs last year and that was 90% of their total smartphone unit sales, then it's possible that maybe VZW still sold 1 Million BBs again this year (so the total BB unit count didn't decrease) but they sold a TON more Droids and everything else (since the smartphone market itself is growing quickly) which walloped BB's "market share" % within the VZW offering.
Obviously, even if RIM sold the same number of units through VZW this year and last year, the overall implications for BB still aren't good if all the other brands are eating RIM's lunch in % market share growth. I'd just like to see the chart showing the sheer numbers of units sold as opposed to just percentages to get a better feel for how the growth of smartphones overall is affecting the brand representations.12-10-10 03:07 PMLike 0 - Every company pushes the "newest, better" products.... Every product comes in waves. Something new today will be replaced by something better in a matter of months. Its just how technology is. It doesn't help that the majority of consumers are sheep when it comes to technology. You tell a person who doesn't know any better that product A is better than product B and since the don't have a vast knowledge of either products they will go with the "newer better".
If things go well with RIM and QNX when they start releasing devices you can be sure that salespersons will begin to push RIM products again.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com12-10-10 03:12 PMLike 0 - The top of the line bb verizon offers is the Bold and that came out in June. Since then they've released the Droid Incredible, Droid X, Droid2, Droid Pro, and Samsung Fascinate. I don't think verizon reps are necessarily pushing droid over blackberry. Its just that RIM hasn't released anything new to sell.12-10-10 03:17 PMLike 0
- Every company pushes the "newest, better" products.... Every product comes in waves. Something new today will be replaced by something better in a matter of months. Its just how technology is. It doesn't help that the majority of consumers are sheep when it comes to technology. You tell a person who doesn't know any better that product A is better than product B and since the don't have a vast knowledge of either products they will go with the "newer better".
If things go well with RIM and QNX when they start releasing devices you can be sure that salespersons will begin to push RIM products again.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com12-10-10 04:15 PMLike 0 - that's right....a lot of those sales on VZ were bogo so rim can't even give em away on big red anymore it seems...12-10-10 04:42 PMLike 0
- The top of the line bb verizon offers is the Bold and that came out in June. Since then they've released the Droid Incredible, Droid X, Droid2, Droid Pro, and Samsung Fascinate. I don't think verizon reps are necessarily pushing droid over blackberry. Its just that RIM hasn't released anything new to sell.
It'll be interesting to see how the Playbook is received, and if any QNX-based BlackBerry models follow.12-10-10 04:49 PMLike 0 - The top of the line bb verizon offers is the Bold and that came out in June. Since then they've released the Droid Incredible, Droid X, Droid2, Droid Pro, and Samsung Fascinate. I don't think verizon reps are necessarily pushing droid over blackberry. Its just that RIM hasn't released anything new to sell.
The sales rep asked my why I wanted one and then informed that it was a poor choice of a phone. He told me he once had one and he felt really stupid when all of his friends started showing him their new droids. So stupid that he had to put his POS Bold on Ebay so he could buy a android off contract.
He stressed over and over that the Bold was a bad phone and went as far as to say "I will sell you one, But you'll regret your decision later."
He never once asked me what my needs were. He didn't even care that I had done my own research and had decided on what my next phone would be before hand. He just automatically assumed that Android would be a better fit for me. I asked to see his manager and I asked him why I couldn't just buy a Bold and leave, without being made to feel like a ****** because of my phone choice. And the manager had the nerve to ask me if I had tried out the Incredible yet.
Situations like mine are not rare. I know they aren't because I dealt with the same exact BS when I bought my S2. If that isn't pushing I don't know what is. I went home and ordered my Bold off of VZW's website. Which I will be doing from now on.Last edited by Witmen; 12-10-10 at 05:50 PM.
12-10-10 05:41 PMLike 0 - Dude I went into the VZW store to buy a Bold 9650, I had done all the research, I knew exactly what I wanted and when I walked in the store I told the sales rep straight off the bat "I am here to buy a Bold 9650, I don't need to play with one. Or anything like that I just want to buy it and leave"
The sales rep asked my why I wanted one and then informed that it was a poor choice of a phone. He told me he once had one and he felt really stupid when all of his friends started showing him their new droids. So stupid that he had to put his POS Bold on Ebay so he could buy a android off contract.
He stressed over and over that the Bold was a bad phone and went as far as to say "I will sell you one, But you'll regret your decision later."
He never once asked me what my needs were. He didn't even care that I had done my own research and had decided on what my next phone would be before hand. He just automatically assumed that Android would be a better fit for me. I asked to see his manager and I asked him why I couldn't just buy a Bold and leave, without being made to feel like a ****** because of my phone choice. And the manager had the nerve to ask me if I had tried out the Incredible yet.
Situations like mine are not rare. I know they aren't because I dealt with the same exact BS when I bought my S2. If that isn't pushing I don't know what is. I went home and ordered my Bold off of VZW's website. Which I will be doing from now on.K Bear likes this.12-10-10 10:38 PMLike 1 - I suspect that graph will only look even worse for RIM (on a % basis) once VZW starts carrying iPhones.
I'd also be interested in seeing a chart that showed VZW's total growth in smartphone unit sales and the various smartphone brands represented on that same chart. For example sake, if VZW sold 1 Million BBs last year and that was 90% of their total smartphone unit sales, then it's possible that maybe VZW still sold 1 Million BBs again this year (so the total BB unit count didn't decrease) but they sold a TON more Droids and everything else (since the smartphone market itself is growing quickly) which walloped BB's "market share" % within the VZW offering.
Obviously, even if RIM sold the same number of units through VZW this year and last year, the overall implications for BB still aren't good if all the other brands are eating RIM's lunch in % market share growth. I'd just like to see the chart showing the sheer numbers of units sold as opposed to just percentages to get a better feel for how the growth of smartphones overall is affecting the brand representations.
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