- Starting on Nov 15th, Verizon Wireless will be changing their Early Termination Policy. It will no longer be a 175$ ETF across the board. It will now depend on your device. Normal cell phones (Voyager, Alias, EnV 3) will be 175$ and will be lowered for every month completed as has been for a while now. The MAJOR difference is Advanced Devices. ANY PDA (Blackberry, WinMo, Palm, Droid) phone that has a Data plan of $29.99 per month or higher purchased on or after 11/15 will have an early Termination Fee of $350.
It makes sense to me. It turns out there has been a large scheme going on for some time now where people are activating an account, and terminating the next day without returning the equipment which makes you subject to the $175 ETF. So lets say you get a FREE blackberry from Verizon Wieless, pay the $175 ETF. Then you go onto Ebay or Craigslist and sell that Blackberry for $300... You just pocketed $125 off Verizon Wireless. Well some people have been making a living off of this scheme on Ebay and Craigslist to the point where Big Red has noticed on a large scale and taking a hit at the bottom line.
So thanks to all those who messed it up for the rest of us who now have $350 ETF the next time we upgrade. I'm surprised it didnt go into effect on Nov 6th when the Droid rolls out....11-02-09 09:54 PMLike 0 - Starting on Nov 15th, Verizon Wireless will be changing their Early Termination Policy. It will no longer be a 175$ ETF across the board. It will now depend on your device. Normal cell phones (Voyager, Alias, EnV 3) will be 175$ and will be lowered for every month completed as has been for a while now. The MAJOR difference is Advanced Devices. ANY PDA (Blackberry, WinMo, Palm, Droid) phone that has a Data plan of $29.99 per month or higher purchased on or after 11/15 will have an early Termination Fee of $350.
It makes sense to me. It turns out there has been a large scheme going on for some time now where people are activating an account, and terminating the next day without returning the equipment which makes you subject to the $175 ETF. So lets say you get a FREE blackberry from Verizon Wieless, pay the $175 ETF. Then you go onto Ebay or Craigslist and sell that Blackberry for $300... You just pocketed $125 off Verizon Wireless. Well some people have been making a living off of this scheme on Ebay and Craigslist to the point where Big Red has noticed on a large scale and taking a hit at the bottom line.
So thanks to all those who messed it up for the rest of us who now have $350 ETF the next time we upgrade. I'm surprised it didnt go into effect on Nov 6th when the Droid rolls out....
i think people have been eating the $175 cancellation fee, in order to open a new acct and get the dicount price on a New BB..pay whats left of the ETf on your acct, and then pay the activation and get the discount price (i.e. the Tour for $149.99) - which beats the **** out of paying retail..the higher ETF will force people to either pay the $350 or pay retail for new devices - so now, either way - vzw is getting big $$$.Last edited by RHP23; 11-02-09 at 10:01 PM.
11-02-09 09:58 PMLike 0 - that sucks! they should of done it where you have to give back the device if you don't make it the full 2 years! In theory, if your discount is not paid for, then its not yours fully yet. That would of made much more sense. $350 ETF is rediculous!
I understand the problem they are having, but there are clearly other ways to deal with that problem.11-02-09 09:59 PMLike 0 - Yes it will drop by $10 per month until the end of the Contract. They are doing this to prevent people from scheming, but also plan to lower advanced device costs upfront to the end user when they purchase or upgrade.11-02-09 10:01 PMLike 0
- that makes sense... the storm 2 can cost an average person $179 + maybe $50 or $100 for an every 1 or 2 discount making the device cost as low as $79 bucks. Try getting a bold from AT&T for $79 EVEN TODAY!11-02-09 10:07 PMLike 0
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- Hadn't heard this one, but if it's true I can't say I'm surprised. They've been trying for awhile to weed out the "wrong" customers for smartphones, to scare 'em off to a Versa or Dare before they even think of signing up for something they either can't handle or don't understand.
Trying to scare off people who may attempt to "cheat" the system makes sense as an extra step.
They have to change existing contracts for this to happen.11-02-09 10:21 PMLike 0 -
- Hadn't heard this one, but if it's true I can't say I'm surprised. They've been trying for awhile to weed out the "wrong" customers for smartphones, to scare 'em off to a Versa or Dare before they even think of signing up for something they either can't handle or don't understand.
Trying to scare off people who may attempt to "cheat" the system makes sense as an extra step.
They have to change existing contracts for this to happen.11-02-09 10:29 PMLike 0 -
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Interesting....11-02-09 11:52 PMLike 0 - Wow, seeing nothing about this..
Of course, I don't work for Big Red anymore but WB still does and judging by his response, he hasn't seen anything in email or InfoManager..
I do think $350 is a little steep, but I see the reaonong behind it. To me, $150 for dumb phones, $200 for moderate phones like the enV Touch, and $250 for smartphones would make the most sense.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-03-09 12:03 AMLike 0 - For reference:
Best Buy Cellular Solutions-: Device Details
"Original price" on a Storm 2...599.99. Discount pricing 179.99. Savings ALREADY upfront of 420. If I were to purchase and put it on a 450 min plan with BIS that'd be 69.98 VZW would get out of me a month. On a standard plan it's 39.99 a difference of 29.99 per month. After my 20 months with a standard upgrade thats a 599.80 dollar difference. Which means for 20 months between my minutes and ALL my data I'd pay 179.80 after what VZW had eaten for the phone I bought. I don't think pricing on smartphones will go down as a result of this...it just sounds like sound business. Especially after all the blogs/forum posts about being taking advantage of BOGO offers getting a 600 dollar retail phone, paying the ETF and profiting 400 dollars on ebay.11-03-09 12:04 AMLike 0 - For reference:
Best Buy Cellular Solutions-: Device Details
"Original price" on a Storm 2...599.99. Discount pricing 179.99. Savings ALREADY upfront of 420. If I were to purchase and put it on a 450 min plan with BIS that'd be 69.98 VZW would get out of me a month. On a standard plan it's 39.99 a difference of 29.99 per month. After my 20 months with a standard upgrade thats a 599.80 dollar difference. Which means for 20 months between my minutes and ALL my data I'd pay 179.80 after what VZW had eaten for the phone I bought. I don't think pricing on smartphones will go down as a result of this...it just sounds like sound business. Especially after all the blogs/forum posts about being taking advantage of BOGO offers getting a 600 dollar retail phone, paying the ETF and profiting 400 dollars on ebay.
u make a good point, but remember, their business is not about selling devices. Its about selling service... Sure they can make 599.99 on a device. But that's nothing compared to a continued relationship with a customer on a voice and data plan for years at a time11-03-09 12:21 AMLike 0 - to be fair... verizon doesn't buy its Storms for $599.99 a piece... lol
u make a good point, but remember, their business is not about selling devices. Its about selling service... Sure they can make 599.99 on a device. But that's nothing compared to a continued relationship with a customer on a voice and data plan for years at a time11-03-09 12:27 AMLike 0 - Trust me, I know! Come out on EMS runs with me for a day! It def dont look like paramedics on discovery health, lol. How about your child needing a check up so mom would rather call 911 to get her kid to the ER and get a free medicaid paid ambulance rather than to pay a yellow cab to ferry to u a private doctor... which she has insurance for anyway!
That free red/blue lighted cab makes all the difference...11-03-09 12:41 AMLike 0 - Trust me, I know! Come out on EMS runs with me for a day! It def dont look like paramedics on discovery health, lol. How about your child needing a check up so mom would rather call 911 to get her kid to th ER and get a free medicaid paid ambulance rather than to pay a yellow cab to ferry to u a private doctor... which she has insurance for anyway! That free red/blue lighted cab makes all the difference...11-03-09 12:43 AMLike 0
- Before anyone wigs out on all of this, remember that our Canadian friends have it worse...
Bell Mobility
You understand that if you have received promotional consideration, including a reduction or rebate on the price of your Device, you must either (a) continue to purchase Services from Bell for the Committed Service Period that is required by Bell to receive this consideration, or (b) pay a Service price adjustment ( "Service Agreement Price Adjustment" or "SAPA") plus applicable taxes if (i) you choose to terminate your Services and/or this Agreement before the end of the Committed Service Period, (ii) we terminate your Services and/or this Agreement for non-payment before the end of the Committed Service Period, or (iii) you do not activate the Device within 45 days of its purchase date. The SAPA is the greater of (a) $100 or (b) $20 per month remaining in the Committed Service Period on termination up to a maximum of $400, plus applicable taxes. Other price adjustments may apply to special offers or promotions, and will be notified to you at or before the time you subscribe to the offer or promotion.11-03-09 07:52 AMLike 0 - that sucks! they should of done it where you have to give back the device if you don't make it the full 2 years! In theory, if your discount is not paid for, then its not yours fully yet. That would of made much more sense. $350 ETF is rediculous!
I understand the problem they are having, but there are clearly other ways to deal with that problem.
2. What if it was lost/stolen/damaged?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-03-09 08:55 AMLike 0 - [QUOTE=TwinsX2Dad;3991538]Before anyone wigs out on all of this, remember that our Canadian friends have it worse...
Yes they definitely do... And what I have noticed is that they complain a lot less to. A friend and I was just talking bout this very point couple days ago.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-03-09 10:13 AMLike 0 - Wow, seeing nothing about this..
Of course, I don't work for Big Red anymore but WB still does and judging by his response, he hasn't seen anything in email or InfoManager..
I do think $350 is a little steep, but I see the reaonong behind it. To me, $150 for dumb phones, $200 for moderate phones like the enV Touch, and $250 for smartphones would make the most sense.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-03-09 10:22 AMLike 0
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