How T-Mobile Made Hundreds of Millions Charging Customers For Bogus Services
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Posted via CB1007-01-14 02:13 PMLike 0 - Saw a new class at our local collage - it's on understanding you phone bill.... it's a two year course.LoneStarRed likes this.07-01-14 02:22 PMLike 1
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I guess it would be a 2 year course for you as you imply.07-01-14 02:58 PMLike 0 - In early June, they announced a premium SMS charge refund program. Somebody probably tipped them off early.
Maybe John Legere should write a blog about this Uncarrier move.bungaboy likes this.07-01-14 03:31 PMLike 1 - These charges have ended up on our bills twice in the last three years. Each time TMO contacted us to let us know and then removed all the charges in full. This story is bunk.eternalemb likes this.07-01-14 07:01 PMLike 1
- Look at my post above. They never allowed these charges to stay on my bill and warned me when they were on there. Given they are also the only cell company to promise never to allow these charges to be applied I guess my question is what compels people to think this is true? My guess would be the anger about the BB dispute. I personally buy my BB outright anyway and have no interest in being forced to buy my cell from my cell service provider. Anyway it has been my experience that TMO has done the opposite of what this report suggests and given their policy to not allow this activity and their immediate public denouncement of this report, I believe it to be untrue.eternalemb likes this.07-01-14 08:27 PMLike 1
- Look at my post above. They never allowed these charges to stay on my bill and warned me when they were on there. Given they are also the only cell company to promise never to allow these charges to be applied I guess my question is what compels people to think this is true? My guess would be the anger about the BB dispute. I personally buy my BB outright anyway and have no interest in being forced to buy my cell from my cell service provider. Anyway it has been my experience that TMO has done the opposite of what this report suggests and given their policy to not allow this activity and their immediate public denouncement of this report, I believe it to be untrue.
And it's certainly true people would get crammed; why TMO is getting investigated is the real question. My guess is that they have they have the worst refunded to charged ratio of customers. Maybe AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are better at taking off cramming charges. Either that, or they got the most complaints (i.e. evidence on the basis of which the FTC can move ahead--certainly not a handful of people.)
And read Legere's statement in response to this lawsuit. In his typical BS style he spouts off, says they "launched a proactive program to provide full refunds for any customer that feels that they were charged for something they did not want." How is something you the customer have to ask for "proactive?" Did you proactively asked to be billed for cramming? Proactive would have been refunding the 100% of people who got crammed their money, not only the ones willing to play the hold-and-transfer games with CS reps, not to mention the time spent in figuring out what these charges amount to. You can't tell me that upon an internal audit, TMO can't figure out who these affected customers are.LoneStarRed and Anovascular like this.07-01-14 08:44 PMLike 2 - They refunded at best 40% of the people, which means 60% or more who got crammed had to pay for the charges. That means more often than not, they were looking the other way, despite (according to the FTC,) the writing being on the wall as to what was going on.
And it's certainly true people would get crammed; why TMO is getting investigated is the real question. My guess is that they have they have the worst refunded to charged ratio of customers. Maybe AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are better at taking off cramming charges. Either that, or they got the most complaints (i.e. evidence on the basis of which the FTC can move ahead--certainly not a handful of people.)
And read Legere's statement in response to this lawsuit. In his typical BS style he spouts off, says they "launched a proactive program to provide full refunds for any customer that feels that they were charged for something they did not want." How is something you the customer have to ask for "proactive?" Did you proactively asked to be billed for cramming? Proactive would have been refunding the 100% of people who got crammed their money, not only the ones willing to play the hold-and-transfer games with CS reps, not to mention the time spent in figuring out what these charges amount to. You can't tell me that upon an internal audit, TMO can't figure out who these affected customers are.07-01-14 08:59 PMLike 0 - Again, I remind you, you don't need SMS. I'd you have imap email, it is both push and lightning fast. Messages show up on my phone before my computer sees them. You also have BBM.
SMS is spoof-able and hackable. You can be silent pinged.
I block all SMS at the carrier, other than 3 digit SMS, which comes from T-Mobile.
Call TMobile and block 5,6, and 10 digit SMS.
I really wish bb10 had the firewall like the older OS.
Posted via CB10Anovascular likes this.07-01-14 11:52 PMLike 1 - Again, I remind you, you don't need SMS. I'd you have imap email, it is both push and lightning fast. Messages show up on my phone before my computer sees them. You also have BBM.
SMS is spoof-able and hackable. You can be silent pinged.
I block all SMS at the carrier, other than 3 digit SMS, which comes from T-Mobile.
Call TMobile and block 5,6, and 10 digit SMS.
I really wish bb10 had the firewall like the older OS.
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Motorola V3xx -> Nokia E63 -> Nokia N900 -> Nokia N9 -> BlackBerry Z1007-02-14 08:18 AMLike 0 - I'm glad there's a crackdown on those sketchy, worthless SMS businesses, though I need more information on how directly involved T-Mo was. These are third party separate businesses, so I wonder why not go after them directly? Perhaps T-Mobile is just a bigger, easier target for regulators.
I could easily see this drama being the result of Verizon/AT&T's Governmental Affairs department, which lobbies government and hires retiring regulators to get favors, like they did with legislation allowing carrier locking of smartphones, etc.
Z-30/STA 100-5/10.3.0.700+.296/T-Mobile USA07-02-14 09:07 AMLike 0 -
Finally, the FCC is where the Big Telecom as a whole arguably has an in, not the FTC.07-02-14 11:35 AMLike 0 - I don't think lobbying did this. I can see lobbying getting results in their favor, but having an investigation launched against a competitor? Plus, the FTC has to be the least "lobbyable" government agency, given that they'd be the first to be suspected of getting lobbied due to the nature of their work.
Finally, the FCC is where the Big Telecom as a whole arguably has an in, not the FTC.
http://lobbydata.com/Directory/Agenc...Commission-Ftc
I'm not taking a side either way. I just wouldn't rule anything out.
[posted via CB10]raino likes this.07-02-14 11:44 AMLike 1 - You're kidding yourself if you don't think the FTC gets lobbied. Unless you have definitive evidence to the contrary, lobbying is certainly one possibility.
Federal Trade Commission Ftc Lobbyists & Lobbying Firms
I'm not taking a side either way. I just wouldn't rule anything out.
Plus, launching an investigation (as opposed to "regular" stuff like managing auctions in favor of Big 2, archaic unlocking rules, etc.) seems way too extreme to have been a result of lobbying. Can you imagine the consequences if it came to light that TMO was targeted for an industry-wide nuisance solely based on lobbying $$ ?07-02-14 12:52 PMLike 0 - Again, I remind you, you don't need SMS. I'd you have imap email, it is both push and lightning fast. Messages show up on my phone before my computer sees them. You also have BBM.
SMS is spoof-able and hackable. You can be silent pinged.
I block all SMS at the carrier, other than 3 digit SMS, which comes from T-Mobile.
Call TMobile and block 5,6, and 10 digit SMS.
I really wish bb10 had the firewall like the older OS.
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When I first got a GSM phone (a StarTac, believe it or not), I was into texting. But when I went to BlackBerry, I just used email. Now getting a prompt reply from the great unwashed (non-Blackberry owners), is an issue.
Once I learned how the terrible security issues of SMS, I'm glad I dumped it years ago. I'm not clairvoyant, but often make good guesses. For instance, I had no idea about silent SMS messages.
Posted via CB1007-02-14 01:22 PMLike 0 - They refunded at best 40% of the people, which means 60% or more who got crammed had to pay for the charges. That means more often than not, they were looking the other way, despite (according to the FTC,) the writing being on the wall as to what was going on.
And it's certainly true people would get crammed; why TMO is getting investigated is the real question. My guess is that they have they have the worst refunded to charged ratio of customers. Maybe AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are better at taking off cramming charges. Either that, or they got the most complaints (i.e. evidence on the basis of which the FTC can move ahead--certainly not a handful of people.)
And read Legere's statement in response to this lawsuit. In his typical BS style he spouts off, says they "launched a proactive program to provide full refunds for any customer that feels that they were charged for something they did not want." How is something you the customer have to ask for "proactive?" Did you proactively asked to be billed for cramming? Proactive would have been refunding the 100% of people who got crammed their money, not only the ones willing to play the hold-and-transfer games with CS reps, not to mention the time spent in figuring out what these charges amount to. You can't tell me that upon an internal audit, TMO can't figure out who these affected customers are.
Regarding fees, take app purchasing for example. I decided to put them on my T-mobile bill rather than set up a credit card. But it is hard to say which scheme is more secure. I run my T-mobile bill through a credit card for the rebate, so I figure any billing problems will be subject to credit card scrutiny. It wouldn't surprise me if the app store got hacked dome day and I got charged for an app I did not buy.
Computer security in general has got worse over the years, if you base it on the number of attacks. Obviously e-commerce had grown greatly, so you would expect more hacks. But I do blame the coders too. Take Apple for example. About half the bug fixes on their last update was for buffer overflows, and their is no way a platform like IOS can claim "legacy code." Apple has 21st century coders making 20th century mistakes. Apple coders truly suck. (goto fail)
But back to the cramming, I doubt T-Mobile would allow this on purpose. It isn't like companies in the past hasven't been caught up in cramming scandals. You lose in the end, and it makes for terrible press.
Posted via CB1007-02-14 01:41 PMLike 0 - Thanks. I wasn't suggesting that the FTC doesn't get approached by lobbies, just theorizing that they probably act the least in favor of these lobbies, given how much scrutiny they must be under (right next to the SEC.) Plus, there's no telecom industry/lobby guy high up in the FTC that I'm aware of, unlike at the FCC (Tom Wheeler.)
Plus, launching an investigation (as opposed to "regular" stuff like managing auctions in favor of Big 2, archaic unlocking rules, etc.) seems way too extreme to have been a result of lobbying. Can you imagine the consequences if it came to light that TMO was targeted for an industry-wide nuisance solely based on lobbying $$ ?
If this ultimately keeps the Sprint Tmo merger from happening or puts Tmo under for some reason, questions wise surely arise. It'll be interesting to see exactly who comes out ahead here -- the customers, the big 2, or someone else.
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