Windows Phone sales actually declining, fast: BlackBerry back in top 3 soon?
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According to some of my research, from noteworthy sources, Windows Phone sales are on a decline, that is excluding the Lumia 520/521. Sales declining about 800,000 units per quarter. If this trend continues, BlackBerry could be back in the Top 3 platforms quite soon, especially if the BlackBerry Z3 sells at least as good as the Lumia 520/521 and the Nokia X/X+/XL takes some sales away from the Lumia 520/521.03-14-14 01:27 PMLike 2 - Sith_ApprenticeMod Team EmeritusDoesnt necessarily follow. Are BB10 sales also declining? And at what rate? This could just mean more iOS and Android devices are being sold.Patman1200 likes this.03-14-14 01:28 PMLike 1
- Used sales numbers, not market share percentages, so more iOS/Android sales won't directly affect my figures. BlackBerry 10 sales are increasing, slowly however, with the Z3 increases should be better, so if the WP decline continues, BB might catch up within a few quarters, but new WP OEMs could pose a grave threat, so BB needs to act fast...03-14-14 01:59 PMLike 0
- You are conflating two data sources with different metrics. In reality NL 520 sales are likely around 70%+ of Windows Phone sales, but of course if you remove the most popular handset sales will be "actually declining".
I heard iPhone sales were also declining if we exclude the iPhone 5S.03-14-14 02:15 PMLike 15 - You are conflating two data sources with different metrics. In reality NL 520 sales are likely around 70%+ of Windows Phone sales, but of course if you remove the most popular handset sales will be "actually declining".
I heard iPhone sales were also declining if we exclude the iPhone 5S.cgk likes this.03-14-14 02:20 PMLike 1 - You also have to factor in product cycles. Towards the end of the cycle, sales naturally slow down, as people begin to wait for the newer models to be released.03-14-14 02:24 PMLike 3
- The Nokia X will have a big impact in WP sales. Nokia announced 1 million pre-orders in China in just 4 days, BlackBerry sold 1 million of BB10 devices in a quarter.
So, It seems Microsoft is a new proud Android OEM. Now they have to buy the Nokia brand.Nicholas Kathrein likes this.03-14-14 02:38 PMLike 1 - Sith_ApprenticeMod Team EmeritusUsed sales numbers, not market share percentages, so more iOS/Android sales won't directly affect my figures. BlackBerry 10 sales are increasing, slowly however, with the Z3 increases should be better, so if the WP decline continues, BB might catch up within a few quarters, but new WP OEMs could pose a grave threat, so BB needs to act fast...
Posted via CB10Laura Knotek likes this.03-14-14 02:55 PMLike 1 - Nokia X won't have any impact in WP sales. It will have a impact in Asha line sales. Check specs.
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03-14-14 03:25 PMLike 0 - Used sales numbers, not market share percentages, so more iOS/Android sales won't directly affect my figures. BlackBerry 10 sales are increasing, slowly however, with the Z3 increases should be better, so if the WP decline continues, BB might catch up within a few quarters, but new WP OEMs could pose a grave threat, so BB needs to act fast...
Take a look what MS has been doing
Free licensing for WP for local players: (e.g India's local OEMs. India is the second biggest market after china)
Dual sim support
Recycle Android hardware for WP (including software keys)
Enterprise feature pack. (Takes WP to BB's level of Enterprise)
Lowered the specs requirements of WP
Reference phones from QUALCOMM which carriers and OMS can use to make their own phones with
How can Blackberry beat this??
They have nothing for this sort of thing03-14-14 03:54 PMLike 0 -
I don't know if WP will survive this, It could enter a vegetative state like BB10.03-14-14 04:09 PMLike 0 - The Nokia X is android though, this will not change WP sales but it will increase Nokia sales
Posted via CB10felixweber likes this.03-14-14 04:14 PMLike 1 -
Judging on the fact that MS is getting Nokia's devices and services division. I'm pretty sure MS will kill the phone. But still support it03-14-14 04:15 PMLike 0 -
480 x 800 pixels, 5.0 inches
4 GB, 768 MB RAM
Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A5
Camera 5 MP, 2592 х 1944, Secondary 2 MP
Li-Ion 2000 mAh battery
Price: $150
Lumia 625
480 x 800 pixels, 4.7 inches
8 GB, 512 MB RAM
Dual-core 1.2 GHz Krait
Camera 5 MP, 2592 x 1936, Secondary VGA
Non-removable Li-Ion 2000 mAh battery
Price: $220
The 625 is the bestseller of the Lumias in the mid range.
Microsoft is not interested in the OS, there isn't money there, they're already giving the OS for free. The money is in the services, Nokia X is a distribution channel for Bing, OneDrive, Skype, Xbox Music, Video, Office 365, the app store, etc.
Microsoft is happy with the Nokia X, they helped in the development and the integration of the services, Microsoft employees were presenting the Nokia X on stage with Elop at MWC. Elop expressed publicly his hopes that Microsoft could adopt the new platform in addition to Lumia. Elop will be the president of the hardware division in Microsoft in just a few weeks.03-14-14 04:41 PMLike 0 - Who cares? Every one of us who is bold enough to carry one of these amazing devices knows that we wield the finest communication and productivity tool available. You think I care what typical consumers think? Think again.
But that's not my point. The market will eventually catch up. It typically takes 3-5 years between the time new technology becomes available and the time it becomes widely adopted. This was true for the iPhone, the original BlackBerry, the worldwide web, email, Facebook, cable TV, etc.
BB10 is new technology, as those of us who have put it and its competitors to the test well know. Patience. By January 30, 2016, it will be clear that things are turning around in a big way. A year after that, Apple will be paying to license QNX for its mobile OS. Mark my words.03-14-14 05:20 PMLike 2 - Possibly it won't affect WP sales, but what about Nokia loyals that have a WP simply because it's Nokia? I believe there are plenty of those. I can see them choosing the Nokia X over a WP. This whole drama will be fun to watch as it unfolds!03-14-14 05:27 PMLike 2
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After Windows Phone 8.1 comes out, expect a jumpstart on sales again as new models come in like the transition from WP7.5 to WP8.
Nokia XL
480 x 800 pixels, 5.0 inches
4 GB, 768 MB RAM
Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A5
Camera 5 MP, 2592 х 1944, Secondary 2 MP
Li-Ion 2000 mAh battery
Price: $150
Lumia 625
480 x 800 pixels, 4.7 inches
8 GB, 512 MB RAM
Dual-core 1.2 GHz Krait
Camera 5 MP, 2592 x 1936, Secondary VGA
Non-removable Li-Ion 2000 mAh battery
Price: $220
You can't just compare clock speeds and number of cores, people; especially, since ARM is expanding their processor range in the ultra low end. As a rule of thumb, anything ARM Cortex A7 and lower is slower than ARM Cortex A9 (and greater) as well as Snapdragon Krait and possibly even Snapdragon Scorpion.Bbnivende likes this.03-14-14 05:34 PMLike 1 - This. Windows Phone sales have been lackluster since OEMs are waiting for the Windows Phone 8.1 refresh. It has been over a year since a major OS update. I do wonder what is taking Microsoft so long. Updates should be once a year.
After Windows Phone 8.1 comes out, expect a jumpstart on sales again as new models come in like the transition from WP7.5 to WP8.
ARM Cortex A5 is SIGNIFICANTLY slower than Krait. The XL doesn't have better specs. The XL's CPU might be less than half as fast as te one in the Lumia 520's. A bunch of ultra low end Android bunch together 4 A5s. -.-
You can't just compare clock speeds and number of cores, people; especially, since ARM is expanding their processor range in the ultra low end. As a rule of thumb, anything ARM Cortex A7 and lower is slower than ARM Cortex A9 (and greater) as well as Snapdragon Krait and possibly even Snapdragon Scorpion.
WP's life is in danger.03-14-14 06:05 PMLike 0 - I really appreciated your knowledge of mobile CPU architectures, but people that buy these phones for $100-$200 don't have that knowledge, so It's not a factor in their buying decision. They're just going to choose the cheaper Nokia that has all the apps.
WP's life is in danger.
Like the formerly pervasive argument on Crackberry that the Z10 would sell tens of millions despite a last gen processor? And that Blackberry could use as outdated specs as it pleases in its phones and still sell blockbusters? Except now you're flipping the "specs don't matter" argument around from "Blackberry will outsell iPhone!" to "This is how Windows Phone is going to meet its watery grave"?03-14-14 06:20 PMLike 0 - Nokia XL
480 x 800 pixels, 5.0 inches
4 GB, 768 MB RAM
Dual-core 1 GHz Cortex-A5
Camera 5 MP, 2592 х 1944, Secondary 2 MP
Li-Ion 2000 mAh battery
Price: $150
Lumia 625
480 x 800 pixels, 4.7 inches
8 GB, 512 MB RAM
Dual-core 1.2 GHz Krait
Camera 5 MP, 2592 x 1936, Secondary VGA
Non-removable Li-Ion 2000 mAh battery
Price: $220
The 625 is the bestseller of the Lumias in the mid range.
Microsoft is not interested in the OS, there isn't money there, they're already giving the OS for free. The money is in the services, Nokia X is a distribution channel for Bing, OneDrive, Skype, Xbox Music, Video, Office 365, the app store, etc.
Microsoft is happy with the Nokia X, they helped in the development and the integration of the services, Microsoft employees were presenting the Nokia X on stage with Elop at MWC. Elop expressed publicly his hopes that Microsoft could adopt the new platform in addition to Lumia. Elop will be the president of the hardware division in Microsoft in just a few weeks.I really appreciated your knowledge of mobile CPU architectures, but people that buy these phones for $100-$200 don't have that knowledge, so It's not a factor in their buying decision. They're just going to choose the cheaper Nokia that has all the apps.
WP's life is in danger.03-14-14 06:22 PMLike 0 -
According to some of my research, from noteworthy sources, Windows Phone sales are on a decline, that is excluding the Lumia 520/521. Sales declining about 800,000 units per quarter. If this trend continues, BlackBerry could be back in the Top 3 platforms quite soon, especially if the BlackBerry Z3 sells at least as good as the Lumia 520/521 and the Nokia X/X+/XL takes some sales away from the Lumia 520/521.freedomx20a and neo158 like this.03-14-14 06:28 PMLike 2 - Oli know a few diehard Nokia loyalist who will get the Nokia X because it is from Nokia. Google services or not, it is Android and the more tech savvy crowd will grab Nokia X, install gaps, and have the best of Google and in an extended way, Nokia maps and services. Maybe it is a niche market for Nokia loyalist who wants an Android, but it should be a good sentiment to be served upon. After all it is another Trojan horse strategy that the famous Stephen "Trojan horse " Elop did.
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