[Praganad]

Does it really matter?? There are still people using BBOS 5,6,7. There are even people still using feature/dumb phones from years ago lol

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[benana94]

Hello all, this is my first post to the forums.

Just to respond to the question of whether anyone would want to use BB10 in 2017: I bought a used Q10 last month on eBay, because it was only 30 bucks and I really missed using a proper keyboard, plus I didn't mind the risk of missing apps and features cause I mostly use my phone for texting anyway.

So far I'm pretty happy with it. It's definitely kinda quirky and it's hard to say which apps I can get and which I can't. But I use iGrann to post/view Instagram, I use Spotify, I check my Facebook and emails, and it's still great for general Internet browsing. Even though it's used, it's in great shape and still really snappy. Based on what I imagine most people who would own a BlackBerry would need, I feel like BB10 doesn't really need much else in its current state (unless we could get some Google Play up in here). I think I could probably coast along for a few years as it is, although I imagine that BlackBerry will release some kind of update since they still market the OS on their website and sell new phones with it.

So if anyone is wondering about the state of 10, it seems okay to me and it should hold up in its current state for a while, and I imagine BB will release some form of update in the future (even if its minor).

[eplastec]

I have been using z10 for over 3 years,...still works very well..and just bought z30 as a spare..and is going to buy a Passport....using android for some apps.....
(Will Keyone to replace other brand)...OS10 is still the best for business use...

[troubledforlife]

Probably not. They aren't even supporting their dtek phones smh

Posted on my BlackBerry Passport

[butterbean1983]

Hello all, this is my first post to the forums.

Just to respond to the question of whether anyone would want to use BB10 in 2017


(unless we could get some Google Play up in here)

Whether or not anyone wants to use bb10 is not the topic of this thread. It's whether or not BlackBerry will continue to support bb10. And we have Google play now.

[Zeratul57]

The message has been continued support with at least 10.4 someday. Why assume the negative?

Sent from one of my SE Passports using BB10 superior software.

[johnny_bravo72]

The message has been continued support with at least 10.4 someday. Why assume the negative?

Sent from one of my SE Passports using BB10 superior software.

10.4? Really?
Last I heard, 10.3.4 will be the final one... Someday.

[kvndoom]

10.4? Really?
Last I heard, 10.3.4 will be the final one... Someday.

Late 2016, last I heard.

[anon(9188202)]

"Will Blackberry continue to support BB10 for the next 3--4 years?"

I think I have a Betamax tape somewhere that answers that question...

[bb10adopter111]

Betamax is a good comparison. Excellent product, arguably superior to VHS, but it failed in the marketplace due to lack of industry support. However, while consumers went with VHS, Betamax continued to live on as a niche solution for decades in production and broadcast environments. The fact that it was EOL simply didn't matter because it worked well and was useful.

I don't expect BB10 to last as long as Betamax, and some features will be outdated sooner than others, but BB10 is still a top performer, even on old hardware, for its core functionality.

Expecting more support is probably not realistic. If you expect new updates, look elsewhere.

Posted with my trusty Z10

[Neville A Daniels]

It is unlikely that BlackBerry will be bringing out BB10 + for 16 32 or 64 systems. Computing is now moving to 128 and yes there are rumours of a BB XXB 128 operating system in the pipeline it is unlikely that BlackBerry will be going back to making its own mobiles, even after the new operating system is released, but they will still be the front runner for specialist devices and prototypes.
BlackBerry keyone has exceeded all expectations as far as the numbers been purchased are concerned.
Blackberry are keeping the KeyOne numbers rather secret since the manufacturing arm completely underestimated the number of sales it was likely to get.
As a result the pre-order system was inundated and people are still waiting on machines.
In the United Kingdom we are lucky that Carphone Warehouse managed to get a stock, but even that is heavily restricted, as to where they can place them in stores.
I was lucky to have one from the central storage sent to the local shop for next-day delivery.
I was told that Carphone Warehouse is struggling to get supplies because of the shortage in the manufacturing chain. I understand that production is being stepped up but that will take awhile to work through.
It will be very nice to hear from Blackberry the actual figures involved.
I fully expect a Blackberry will be going ahead with this new operating system and look forward to seeing completely different phones in about four years time.

[Troy Tiscareno]

Betamax is a good comparison. Excellent product, arguably superior to VHS, but it failed in the marketplace due to lack of industry support. However, while consumers went with VHS, Betamax continued to live on as a niche solution for decades in production and broadcast environments. The fact that it was EOL simply didn't matter because it worked well and was useful.

A few things:

1. BetaMax failed primarily because a standard tape was only 60 minutes long, while VHS was 120 minutes long. Since the most common task for video tape was playing Hollywood movies, which typically ran 1.5-2 hours, a single tape solution was what most consumers wanted. The same movie on BetaMax took 2 tapes, and twice the storage and twice the rewinding. It wasn't consumer-friendly, even though the video quality was better.

2. BetaMax did NOT live on. Professional Beta used the same cartridge shells, but different tape formulations and most importantly, different encoding that wasn't compatible with BetaMax. And Pro Beta evolved over time with several changes to the encoding, which weren't backwards compatible, even though the tape shell and basic transport design was retained. But an excellent analogy would be that "BB phones lived on as BB Android" - which is true, but not what people are talking about when talking about a BB owned-and-controlled OS.

[howarmat]

It is unlikely that BlackBerry will be bringing out BB10 + for 16 32 or 64 systems computing is now moving to 128 and yes there are rumours of a BB XXB 128 operating system in the pipeline it is unlikely that BlackBerry will be going back to making its own mobiles, even after the new operating system is released, but they will still be the front runner for specialist devices and prototypes.
BlackBerry keyone has exceeded all expectations as far as the numbers been purchased are concerned.
Blackberry are keeping the KeyOne numbers rather secret since the manufacturing arm completely underestimated the number of sales it was likely to get.
As a result the pre-order system was inundated and people are still waiting on machines.
In the United Kingdom we are lucky that Carphone Warehouse managed to get a stock, but even that is heavily restricted, as to where they can place them in stores.
I was lucky to have one from the central storage sent to the local shop for next-day delivery.
I was told that Carphone Warehouse is struggling to get supplies because of the shortage in the manufacturing chain. I understand that production is being stepped up but that will take awhile to work through.
It will be very nice to hear from Blackberry the actual figures involved.
I fully expect a Blackberry will be going ahead with this new operating system and look forward to seeing completely different phones in about four years time.

BB isnt going to release new phones or a new OS. They got out of it for a reason, they didnt want to go bankrupt. BB isnt even in the phone business.

[kvndoom]

BB isnt going to release new phones or a new OS. They got out of it for a reason, they didnt want to go bankrupt. BB isnt even in the phone business.

What you talking about? 128-bit BBXXL is right around the corner! Just you wait and see...

[terminator130881]

la passport podria quedar para la ultima actualisacion es la unica poderosa para aguantar los drive ho para liberarla y de codigo y intalarle androi llollipot

[Neville A Daniels]

Quite right they are in the software business and that business is development and yes they do intend to issue a new operating system and more secure BlackBerry but the phone's themselves will be made by contracted companies or licenced to companies however you may declare them.

[Elephant_Canyon]

Quite right they are in the software business and that business is development and yes they do intend to issue a new operating system and more secure BlackBerry but the phone's themselves will be made by contracted companies or licenced to companies however you may declare them.

From where are you getting this information?

[eshropshire]

Quite right they are in the software business and that business is development and yes they do intend to issue a new operating system and more secure BlackBerry but the phone's themselves will be made by contracted companies or licenced to companies however you may declare them.

Except this new Mythical licensee will not be able to use the BlackBerry name. TCL has exclusive rights to the BlackBerry name in about 90+% of the world. Two other companies has rights to use the remaining 10%.

Also, BlackBerry Limited is an "Enterprise Software Company". If you don't know the difference between an enterprise software company and a general software company I recommend you look it up. You will see it does not fit the model you describe.

[southlander]

It all depends on what you mean by "support" and what minimum standard you expect.

I wouldn't expect much.

Exactly. I don't consider it "supported" right NOW. Lol.

[southlander]

Blackberry still links to Amazon for selling new passports. So I would take that as meaning they will at least provide some security patches for a while.

The PROBLEM you have though is there are not likely to be enough active users to even find and report the issues.

[Neville A Daniels]

Except this new Mythical licensee will not be able to use the BlackBerry name. TCL has exclusive rights to the BlackBerry name in about 90+% of the world. Two other companies has rights to use the remaining 10%.

Also, BlackBerry Limited is an "Enterprise Software Company". If you don't know the difference between an enterprise software company and a general software company I recommend you look it up. You will see it does not fit the model you describe.

For mobile phones systems as we know them today which is up to 64 bit technology I would agree with you but 128 bit technology has not been licensed by any company yet and rules necessitate a different brand to differentiate between the three different systems currently available and the then new 128 bit technology.

BDS BlackBerry Dimension System springs to mind. :-)

[Elephant_Canyon]

For mobile phones systems as we know them today which is up to 64 bit technology I would agree with you but 128 bit technology has not been licensed by any company yet and rules necessitate a different brand to differentiate between the three different systems currently available and the then new 128 bit technology.

Please explain what computing problem you think a 128-bit mobile phone processor would solve.

[johnny_bravo72]

What you talking about? 128-bit BBXXL is right around the corner! Just you wait and see...

...with HYPERVISOR!

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

Blackberry still links to Amazon for selling new passports. So I would take that as meaning they will at least provide some security patches for a while.

The PROBLEM you have though is there are not likely to be enough active users to even find and report the issues.

The issues with BB10.3.3 are well documented here.... which is why many don't recommend it.

My view is that if they aren't willing to update the PRIV and DTEKs, then it not very likely that they are using any resources on BB10. Keep in mind that BlackBerry is still struggling to balance their books as revenues are still falling. Chen isn't spending money to keep BlackBerry's own mobile OS alive..... and no one buying a three year old design should expect him to.

[Neville A Daniels]

Please explain what computing problem you think a 128-bit mobile phone processor would solve.

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