Why the Trackpad (Belt) hate?
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- ...some snipped out...I think big touch screens(4.5-5.5") along with the very best and newest hardware and top notch marketing will save BlackBerry In the consumer space. There is no denying that the overall mobile market has spoken, and touchscreen super phones are what almost everybody wants.
Maybe a belted, larger Q will help BlackBerry hold onto their business customers.
The Note is a unique offering and BlackBerry has PATENTS they can base their unique offerings on, and a few of them are tied up in the BELT and keyboards (ever wonder why the first Nexus phone had a trackball instead of a Trackpad, when the Ball gets human skin all gummed up in it? ech.)
I do believe if being a full touchscreen was a significant factor for BB10's success, BB10 would be a success, because the Z30 exists and it's excellent. "People want touchscreens" might be true on the "macro" level i.e. among the hundreds of millions of users out there, but BlackBerry is remaking itself into a niche product company, and you can't do "niche" properly just by being like everyone else but less so (which is what BB10 appears to be to most of the "market", consumer and enterprise alike.)acovey likes this.02-24-14 10:46 AMLike 1 - First, on behalf of all monolingual English speakers I apologize to YOU for feeling that you have to apologize to us for not being a native English speaker: your English is very good, I'm sure everyone can understand what you are saying.
The only thing I might disagree with or maybe I misunderstand is that BlackBerry should continue to release new OS7 devices. I think what is really needed is that they need to make BB10 have all the same capabilities as BBOS did, and of course it would have more like being able to run BB10 and Android apps... but in order to duplicate most of the functionality of BBOS, the Belt would be needed. So I'm a strong believer in BB10 being the way forward, but also think there was lots to like about BBOS and the designers and developers of BB10 need to re-integrate as many features as possible as soon as possible, with as few compromises as possible.
That said: if BB can make more money selling BB7 devices, they shouldn't rule that out either... but I think a BB10 device with all the features of BBOS would be as good if not better for both the customer and for BlackBerry.
When one purchase OS7 model, BBRY will get stream income from BIS
Can't wait what kind of design of BB10 with belt will look like.
Sent from my iPad using CB Forums mobile app02-24-14 10:51 AMLike 0 -
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I think you did!
I do this myself, but it's not comfortable, or fast, or convenient, and still requires a significant degree of concentration and skill that I don't think is a practical solution for more than 5% of the worlds population.
Clutzes of the world UNITE: BB10 Belted BlackBerry! Write to your congress-person today!02-24-14 10:53 AMLike 0 - Well, I think there is a consensus that most carriers object to having to maintain BIS servers, and only with the goodwill of the carriers can BIS even continue to be functional on the carriers worldwide... I think the ship has sailed on BIS, but I admit I don't know a lot about it... it may be be another failure of the communications / PR team in the (old) RIM company that didn't effectively articulate (or enable / allow) the possible BENEFITS to carriers to use and maintain the BIS service... but on the other hand, there's also got to be a way to OPTIONALLY add BIS enablement to BB10 OPTIONALLY AS AN OPTION FOR THOSE WHO MAKE THE INFORMED DECISION TO OPTIONALLY OPT-IN AT THEIR OPTION. Not mandatory. OPTIONAL.
Me neither. When I read that article, and saw it was on a legit site like the Globe and Mail (not the 'unsubstantiated rumor the-next-iphone-will-have-a-glasses-free-3d-screen' blogosphere) my heart rate went up a bit. Could be the coffee though.02-24-14 11:00 AMLike 0 - Tried it while moving, too. Still works.
As for text editing, flick typing and the selector bubble work well while walking and using one hand.
Posted via CB1002-24-14 11:03 AMLike 0 - I am definitely pro-belt. It would solve a NUMBER of problems (speaking from my experience with my Q10, which I otherwise love).
Instant access to call / hang up buttons. Hanging up drives me crazy because I have to remove the phone from my face, and wait for the screen to come on or fiddle with it to make the screen come on, then press the end call icon on the screen. Way more annoying than pre-BB10 solution of just pressing the red button and putting it back in your pocket.
Definitely precision selection was mentioned by the OP
Allocating a menu key for "back" and "menu" would make using android apps so much easier. Android developers only casually follow Google's own design standards as is, so UI's are all over the map. Current dilemma is to either leave the back key on the screen all the time eating up more real estate from a screen which is already an aspect ratio not suited for many android apps, or have the on-screen back button hidden and try to use the gesture. Physical keys would make it a lot easier, IMO.
I think there are a number of people out there like Martha Stewart who were previously BB lovers but who don't like the new experience sans trackpad and buttons. I think this is exactly what she was referring to when she said whoever designed BB10 were idiots. This would certainly help bring them back into the fold. Not that I give a flying fudge about what Martha Stewart thinks....raph_ryo likes this.02-24-14 11:05 AMLike 1 - I don't hate the trackpad or the "key belt" per say; I am of the opinion that those are legacy items that are no longer needed. Remember that for a long time Blackberry was chided for not being able to let go of the past and those items were held up as the reason that so many left for other devices because they were seen as not being forward looking or modern. I have found that when I transistioned from the Bold 9900 to a Z10 that the all touch experience was very fluid compared to the stop and click that I endured before. Now I find myself using gestures to try and accomplish things on my Bold for work and it is simply not as intuitive and the flow just is not there. I am currently waiting for a Q10 to get delivered from our IMO group and I can't wait to have a well integrated gestures experience no matter which I use.02-24-14 11:06 AMLike 0
- kbz1960Doesn't MatterI know I'm in the minority but the lack of a belt isn't the reason I haven't upgraded yet. Or a lack of legacy features, although some of them would help.
I haven't upgraded because I'm still waiting to see some clear consistent message from the company so I can have some faith in them again. So far I'm getting mixed messages as to who they are, what they want to be and where they are going.
From my point of view they don't have a clue and just throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I wonder what will happen when these phones come out and flop as well?02-24-14 11:14 AMLike 0 -
The track pad could have provided a "home" like hardware button last year when it was released when all the competition had physical home buttons but there is less of an argument for that now. There are plenty of droid phones that do not have any physical buttons and those users don't appear to get confused.
A think a better solution would be (whether physical or virtual) is make sure that screen navigation is consistent across native and Android apps so that it would be virtually transparent to the user what type of app they are using especially since Android apps are helping fill the app gap.snejpa likes this.02-24-14 11:25 AMLike 1 -
Swear to, well, Gaia I guess, and that IS my real name up there.02-24-14 12:02 PMLike 0 - Because it may make bezel gestures from the bottom of the screen aggravating since your fingers will have to slide over the "belt". Why not make it virtual instead? A virtual track pad could change into a larger joypad after your finger rests on it for that matter. This would allow those that want it to have it and those that don't to turn it off and BB not have to have to carry or market two products. That would have to be optimized or the UX would be tarnished since how would they swipe up.
The track pad could have provided a "home" like hardware button last year when it was released when all the competition had physical home buttons but there is less of an argument for that now. There are plenty of droid phones that do not have any physical buttons and those users don't appear to get confused.
A think a better solution would be (whether physical or virtual) is make sure that screen navigation is consistent across native and Android apps so that it would be virtually transparent to the user what type of app they are using especially since Android apps are helping fill the app gap.
Sent from my iPhone using CB ForumsRyanGermann likes this.02-24-14 12:04 PMLike 1 -
Why not make it virtual instead? A virtual track pad could change into a larger joypad after your finger rests on it for that matter. This would allow those that want it to have it and those that don't to turn it off and BB not have to have to carry or market two products. That would have to be optimized or the UX would be tarnished since how would they swipe up.
The track pad could have provided a "home" like hardware button last year when it was released when all the competition had physical home buttons but there is less of an argument for that now. There are plenty of droid phones that do not have any physical buttons and those users don't appear to get confused.
A think a better solution would be (whether physical or virtual) is make sure that screen navigation is consistent across native and Android apps so that it would be virtually transparent to the user what type of app they are using especially since Android apps are helping fill the app gap.
You haven't changed my mind, sorry, but those are good points.02-24-14 12:07 PMLike 0 - So...if everyone else is reliant on the old way of doing things, we should not move forward?
Posted via CB10SmileDahling likes this.02-24-14 12:11 PMLike 1 - Define "flop". Do you mean "overestimating the demand" and producing too many then having to write down the inventory and sell them at a fraction of their gross cost to clear inventory?" That's just bad business, no matter how many you sell.
How about this approach: underproducing and selling at a fair and reasonable profit (no matter how much it costs the end customer) and, since it's a unique product, if demand exceeds supply BB will just have to go ramp up production and produce more, because if someone wants it, there ain't no where else to get it?
If THIS device also flops, then BlackBerry has very little to offer that can't be duplicated in software on other platforms and is, therefore, done... which calls into question why "we're" clinging to it... why should we all not switch to Android and iOS? The reasons are complex and many for us holdouts, but BlackBerry should not forego release of Belted devices when it's one of the things they're known for and appreciated for may be their last best chance of establishing themselves stably in their niche, and move forward from there. I don't know how BB10 can continue to keep pace with innovation on Android and iOS unless there are a significant number of really smart and creative developers working in secret on BlackBerry technology and patenting it so others can't just copy it outright: without patent protections and unique offerings and innovation, how can BlackBerry POSSIBLY survive?
So, BlackBerry has to make bold (pun INTENDED) moves to remain viable and relevant even as a niche product.Last edited by RyanGermann; 02-24-14 at 12:28 PM.
02-24-14 12:13 PMLike 0 -
Progress for Progress' sake is not always a good thing.
and again, since it merits repeating: you would still have a full touchscreen device without the Belt, but do you have a reason why BlackBerry should not ALSO release a device WITH the Belt? Aside from "old=bad new=good" which I kind of mention in the first post?02-24-14 12:17 PMLike 0 - kbz1960Doesn't MatterDefine "flop". Do you mean "overestimating the demand" and producing too many then having to write down the inventory and sell them at a fraction of their gross cost to clear inventory? That's just bad business, no matter how many you sell.
How about this approach: underproducing and selling at a fair and reasonable profit (no matter how much it costs the end customer) and, since it's a unique product, if demand exceeds supply BB will just have to go ramp up production and produce more, because if someone wants it, there ain't no where else to get it?
If THIS device also flops, then BlackBerry has very little to offer that can't be duplicated in software on other platforms and is, therefore, done... which calls into question why "we're" clinging to it... why should we all not switch to Android and iOS? The reasons are complex and many for us holdouts, but for BlackBerry to forego release of Belted devices when it's one of the things they're known for and appreciated for may be their last best chance of establishing themselves stably in their niche, and move forward from there. I don't know how BB10 can continue to keep pace with innovation on Android and iOS unless there are a significant number of really smart and creative developers working in secret on BlackBerry technology and patenting it so others can't just copy it outright: without patent protections and unique offerings and innovation, how can BlackBerry POSSIBLY survive?
So, BlackBerry has to make bold (pun INTENDED) moves to remain viable and relevant even as a niche product.
Do you really think this phone with the added belt is going to sell any more than what they currently sell? I don't.02-24-14 12:27 PMLike 0 - I think the belt would drive some current BlackBerry 10 users away while barely attracting any new users.
May get some legacy users to upgrade, but the goal is to steal the competition. Even Apple fans want to get rid of their home key. A touch screen is a touch screen is a touch screen. It doesn't require a belt as you can do everything without it.
Sure the track pad may help you edit a little faster but I type much faster and more accurate on my Q10 and Z30 rendering that minimally useful. Moreover, the whole end and answer call button issuse...seriously, if swiping up or down in 10.1 or 10.2 or left or right in 10.2.1 is to difficult than perhaps your best suited with a 9900 which is still a great phone.
Posted via my BlackBerry Q10 or Z30 on VZW from Philly02-24-14 12:28 PMLike 4 - Flop as in doesn't sell well. Like BB10 people call it a flop for a phone mfg to only sell what BBRY has been able to. Aren't they already a niche player now?
Do you really think this phone with the added belt is going to sell any more than what they currently sell? I don't.
Also, offering unique devices based on proprietary technology is a way to succeed, far better than offering similar devices that in measurable and significant ways are or are perceived to be 'inferior' to the competition, and a Belted device IS superior in measurable and significant ways over a touchscreen device, if not by every measure, but significant market-differentiating ones.
Yes, they would have to sell "better" than the current lineup to be considered a success... but why do you think the alternative (full screen and keyboard devices without the Belt) WOULD sell. Since there is a calendar year of failure to sell as evidence against "beltless devices", I think the argument for the Belt fares far better than any argument against the Belt if you are going to talk about device form factors.Last edited by RyanGermann; 02-24-14 at 12:48 PM.
kbz1960 likes this.02-24-14 12:30 PMLike 1 -
I think you're suggesting that if BlackBerry release a Belted device, you will sell your Q10 and Z30 and switch to iPhone or Android. Please explain why.
Sure the track pad may help you edit a little faster but I type much faster and more accurate on my Q10 and Z30 rendering that minimally useful. Moreover, the whole end and answer call button issuse...seriously, if swiping up or down in 10.1 or 10.2 or left or right in 10.2.1 is to difficult than perhaps your best suited with a 9900 which is still a great phone.Last edited by RyanGermann; 02-24-14 at 12:52 PM.
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