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  1. RTK90's Avatar
    Are you daft? Let me break it down for you:

    The Z10 was released in the beginning of last year to capture a wider market. We didn't have the apps, we didn't have some of these most basic features and it ultimately bombed. Emojis existed and were used by competitors throughout this period.

    My point is, everybody is aware that plans have changed but I'm curious to hear what your excuse is as to why it wasn't implemented while Thorsten was in charge or why instead of going for the gold and using the ones everybody else uses they wasted these precious resources making those horrid BBM emoticons which are only used within the BlackBerry environment.

    Frankly, I don't care how many companies you have and I'm definitely not here for your self-centered view on personal level use of these emojis. I use them, my entire circle of friends and family uses them and millions more which you would notice if you left your bubble for a while. As far as professional use, it's pretty mind boggling how you can speak for everyone 🙊
    Thornstein was clearly not competent in a CEO's position......


    And are you not speaking for everyone implying they are a must?? as for "leaving my bubble" my businesses are almost entirely networking, both at work and in a social context, so I'm pretty sure I have a good grasp on what others are up to. I never said they weren't used, I'm just saying you're being a bit over dramatic in terms of insisting they be implemented. you're being quite immature and clearly having trouble with reading sarcasm and have trouble with friendly joking. So it's probably best we agree to disagree and move on.

    Have a nice day





    Posted via CB10
    03-03-14 03:56 PM
  2. Apollo_IV's Avatar
    ...and clearly having trouble with reading sarcasm and have trouble with friendly joking
    Posted via CB10
    Would've been easier with an emoji...
    03-03-14 06:06 PM
  3. iN8ter's Avatar
    I can- from iPhone to my Q10, the same from Q10 to iPhone.
    With Samsung there are sometimes problems but within BBM there are no problems.

    Posted via BlackBerry Q10Bold
    Samsung devices support emoji.

    So do most other Android 4.3 devices. Samsung was one of the first Android OEMs to have it, which they did well before the Android OS had support for emoji built in.

    Android 4.4 has full emotional support.

    Windows Phone also supports emoji.

    iOS clearly does.

    Maybe they missed something you people know and shouldn't have wasted their time with that stuff.

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk
    Last edited by n8ter#AC; 03-04-14 at 06:31 AM.
    03-04-14 06:15 AM
  4. iN8ter's Avatar
    Aside from the odd smiley face or a wink, I don't see a professional use for emojis at all. They are cartoon faces for kids I'd you ask me.

    My 13 year old can have conversations using just emojis with his other 13 year old friends but outside that group, I can't see a need. All I can say is my professional opinion of someone would go down drastically if they started sending me these cartoon faces in emails or BBM's.

    And for the last couple of years people have been coming up with so many reasons why this company will be dead and it's still around. There were many professional opinions that BlackBerry was going to be gone by now. I hardly doubt that the main topic of the eulogy for BlackBerry will be "they came late to the table with emojis"

    Posted via CB10
    I sent this emoji to a friend while at the training facility: 🍵

    Ten minutes later, coffee was delivered.

    One button vs. "Can you bring coffee?"

    I think your generalizations show ignorance and are way off base.

    Emoji are quick ways to condense text. Some people may pay for texts and don't want to send two when they could otherwise send one. Some people don't want to tap 20 buttons when one or two gets the job done.

    In either case, anyone who cares about it won't be buying a blackberry and instead of trying to get them to implement it, you people insult others by calling them immature or childish for wanting it.

    I bet you wear sun shades at night.

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 3 using Tapatalk
    03-04-14 06:28 AM
  5. drmike's Avatar
    What's the emoji for I don't care? Oh wait I'll just say it.

    I'm glad you got coffee with a flick of a cartoon. But that's what it is, in my opinion. A cartoon.

    And if I received an email from a business associate with emojis I'm sorry to offend you but I'd think a little less of that person.

    If Phineas & Ferb is going to take over communication we are all in trouble.

    Oh and yes I do wear them at night because when you're THIS cool, the sun shines on you 24/7.

    Posted via CB10
    Last edited by drmike; 03-04-14 at 07:20 AM.
    03-04-14 06:48 AM
  6. boeingrules's Avatar
    Emojis aren't really a professional method of expressing a concept or aspect of a conversation. BlackBerry is geared and becoming more entrenched in its business mentality so I hardly think that it's a must for the brand.

    Posted via CB10
    So just because it doesn't apply to the target market, they shouldn't provide it? Because they're not absolutely necessary, there's no need for it? That's the exact mentality that brought BlackBerry down in the first place. Oh, businesses shouldn't care about touch screens or lag free phones, so we'll just stay this way because there's no reason to improve. And then suddenly their image plummets so low that even businesses are reluctant to buy them.

    Who is BlackBerry kidding? Who are we kidding? Everyone in the mobile industry is targeting the consumers. Everyone is. Because technically, even businesses are 'consumers'. It's easy to forget that the phones that are sold to a business ultimately becomes used by a person - a consumer. This person is as picky as any other consumer would be, and even if he/she is forced to use this phone for work and it's not their personal device, they are still capable of liking or disliking it. Just one unhappy consumer can cause a lot of damage. Ignoring any suggestions to make a device more user friendly or 'trendy' under the reason that it's targeted at enterprises is a massive mistake and it simply doesn't make sense.

    Even though BlackBerry at a glance seems like it's targeting the enterprise side of the industry, (it's worthy to note that the CEO has made a statement about this) it's become (confusingly) clear that they haven't abandoned the consumer side of things with the announcement of the Z3, which is not only targeted at consumers, but at consumers in a single CITY (of course it's really targeting the region, but I'm just going by the name).

    But who knows. We'll just have to see what BlackBerry will do next.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 08:34 AM
  7. boeingrules's Avatar
    You're taking yourself in circles. Chen is the CEO NOW that's means if he decided to take BlackBerry in a certain direction, it IS the current direction of the company and thus, not the intended audience. When the z10 was released is irrelevant to the conversation and in fact possibly more of detriment to your argument (as I said earlier the goal is to get back to their roots).

    Anyways all any of us are saying is that bringing Emojis to the BlackBerry platform is basically a waste of effort at the time as the current target isn't individuals that really desire that function. There are better use of resources as it simply doesn't create a real pull or influx of new users. You can jump up and down, and scream that my satire (used aprox 3 of my posts earlier) is irrelevant, and that all of BlackBerry's users aren't business tycoons. But that just says to me you missed the point. BlackBerry wants business people, it doesn't mean they don't want other people using their product, but that is the target at this point in time. It's a verifiable fact and not open to interpretation.

    I'm a 23 year old kid. I own 2 businesses and am in the process of starting a 3rd (golf instructional academy, the one I'm just getting off the ground is a branch off that and is a professional golf tour, and a detailing shop), so I have my feet in both camps. I can tell you from a professional standpoint Emojis are irrelevant. I can also tell you on a personal level Emojis are irrelevant. Haha it's a gimmick that's all, no one has ever pointed, laughed, or called my inferior because I can't read or send an emoji friend, or professional associate. So at the very minimum it's not a good use of time right now.

    Posted via CB10
    You're making it sound like applying support to display a couple of pictures is as hard as building a nuclear fusion reactor. I can't imagine that it would be any harder than applying support to a language like Chinese. Wouldn't you consider that essential for a business phone then? Emoji's are a new way of communicating, like a language, except it is universal. Everyone understands emoji's. They're not any worse than texting slangs (like u or brb or gtg none of which were corrected by my BB10 autocorrect because they're recognized as a valid and efficient form of communication. I guarantee that text language is used in enterprises for quick communication).Yes, it's true that businesses won't specifically go hunting for a phone that supports it (although that's not really hard to find) but I don't think they would reject a phone because it supports those funky little pictures.

    So to sum it up, emoji's:
    Not that much work has to be done to provide support
    Added feature that could capture more consumers
    Improve customer satisfaction
    New option for communication
    Businesses won't go anti BlackBerry because of it
    Doesn't hurt anyone

    Can't possibly see why anyone would be so against providing support. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 08:52 AM
  8. badiyee's Avatar
    The everyone does it argument? Lol I could care less if nobody else did it, but I use them so there is my argument. Maybe this concept of emoticons/emojis or whatever you want to call them is new to a blackberry user, but having used other platforms it's quite common for me. I was not taking a "cheap potshot" at BlackBerry, I'm merely pointing out a weakness that should be fixed,whether you use the feature or not.

    In terms of your request for what I consider a majority, maybe I speak more for the younger generation. Because the majority of younger generations (people under 30 I would argue) do use emojis. As for measuring tools it is my opinion, I'm not stating an exact fact, so it does not require a tool. I used the experience from what I learned at my time in retail electronics.

    I suppose it is a culture thing but for me text msging is not for lengthy conversation. It's more to the point. If you prefer to write paragraphs upon paragraphs to people then I couldn't blame them if they don't read it all. I know I don't. But if that's how you text then so be it. Your phone. You do what you like.

    I'm not interested in a history lesson on linguistics, and also you chose to ignore that I also said you can express feelings but it may be harder to do so over text. I merely made my original comment to push for something I believe the bb10 platform should have.

    Why is there so much hate when someone gives some constructive criticism about BlackBerry? It's my brand of choice for heavens sake, but God forbid I point out a flaw. You don't think my post provided a healthy contribution towards the thread? I'll agree to disagree with you on that. But please don't try to act all superior in attempts to shut down others people arguments/thoughts. It's downright rude.

    Posted via CB10 on my awesome new Z30!

    First of all, the right to voice / speak anything does not grant immunity to repercussions. That includes any form of verbal rebuke. Criticism or not.

    Secondly,playing the "i'm giving constructive criticism and you're rude" card won't help if in the first place you were not giving any form of constructive criticism, and secondly you were not even courteous. And now you expect the replies to you to be courteous? Probably, but... You said things in a certain manner, expect a rebuke in a certain manner.

    Thirdly, you may "speak on behalf" of the so called younger generation, but happens that I too fall in that bracket of that generation that you've mentioned, and I vehemently reject the notion that you're proposing.




    Is emoji important? That is subjective. Is it nice to have it? Probably. Will I use it? Probably not. Will others use it? Maybe. Are there many people using this? Yes. However, does it make imperative so substantiate that BlackBerry should devote all of its resources to create emoji support for sms in its devices? I personally feel no. It can come at a later time, but every resources they have right now are better devoted / channelled / funnelled into other things.
    03-04-14 10:47 AM
  9. amjass12's Avatar
    But are blackberry investing a huge amaount of time money and resources to do implement emojis. People are going on like it's super time consuming and time wasting.

    If this is the case. I wonder what their thoughts are about blackberry investing their time and money in order to get developers to port games/create bb10 games, and also, create phones with computer style specs, if they could have gotten by implementing qnx in z10 style specs that is more than good enough to run bb10 without crashing.

    Was this also a waste of time. If not, how does gaming differ from emojis? In the sense that some people socialise and unwind by playing games. And others by communicating with their friends in their spare time.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 11:36 AM
  10. RTK90's Avatar
    First of all, the right to voice / speak anything does not grant immunity to repercussions. That includes any form of verbal rebuke. Criticism or not.

    Secondly,playing the "i'm giving constructive criticism and you're rude" card won't help if in the first place you were not giving any form of constructive criticism, and secondly you were not even courteous. And now you expect the replies to you to be courteous? Probably, but... You said things in a certain manner, expect a rebuke in a certain manner.

    Thirdly, you may "speak on behalf" of the so called younger generation, but happens that I too fall in that bracket of that generation that you've mentioned, and I vehemently reject the notion that you're proposing.




    Is emoji important? That is subjective. Is it nice to have it? Probably. Will I use it? Probably not. Will others use it? Maybe. Are there many people using this? Yes. However, does it make imperative so substantiate that BlackBerry should devote all of its resources to create emoji support for sms in its devices? I personally feel no. It can come at a later time, but every resources they have right now are better devoted / channelled / funnelled into other things.
    I imagine that there are some licensing hoops to jump through.

    Maybe not.... but at any rate I simply don't think it's esential.

    Again, I don't see either side changing their minds. So by my standards agree to disagree and move on. It's really not that important of a conversation anyways.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 02:35 PM
  11. The Big Picture's Avatar
    I had to google what emojis are.... seriously no one uses them in the asian world as far as I know. not in china, india, malaysia, singapore, indonesia, thailand....

    Even japan whom created them are all using naver line which has stickers!

    Asia uses whatsapp, we chat, line, kakao talk and to a certain extent bbm.

    So I assume emoji's are send through SMS? If so its really not important to the largest region in the world.

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2141, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    03-04-14 02:42 PM
  12. matt0135's Avatar
    First of all, the right to voice / speak anything does not grant immunity to repercussions. That includes any form of verbal rebuke. Criticism or not.

    Secondly,playing the "i'm giving constructive criticism and you're rude" card won't help if in the first place you were not giving any form of constructive criticism, and secondly you were not even courteous. And now you expect the replies to you to be courteous? Probably, but... You said things in a certain manner, expect a rebuke in a certain manner.

    Thirdly, you may "speak on behalf" of the so called younger generation, but happens that I too fall in that bracket of that generation that you've mentioned, and I vehemently reject the notion that you're proposing.




    Is emoji important? That is subjective. Is it nice to have it? Probably. Will I use it? Probably not. Will others use it? Maybe. Are there many people using this? Yes. However, does it make imperative so substantiate that BlackBerry should devote all of its resources to create emoji support for sms in its devices? I personally feel no. It can come at a later time, but every resources they have right now are better devoted / channelled / funnelled into other things.
    I never said I had a problem with a rebuttle/response to my post. But when you reply in a condescending tone and accuse me of throwing cheap shots at BlackBerry, this I have a problem with.

    So what is considered constructive criticism to you? I stated what I and many others consider a flaw in bb10 in the form of lack of emoji support, and suggested that they work on supporting it in the future. I did not criticize BlackBerry without reason, and definitely gave a solution to my proposed problem. If you can't see that then I'm not sure how much clearer I can get. And what about being courteous? I didn't know I was talking to the Queen, get over yourself man. Nobody seems to have a problem with what I said except you. If you can't handle the fact that my comment was a little stern, too bad?

    So you're telling me you've never used a simple smiley face in a text or bbm/whatsapp? Come on lol I find that hard to believe. Even if you received one it has benefited you in the sense that it has allowed another to communicate with you. You may have never used an emoji yourself but don't tell me other people haven't sent you any at all.

    Nobody is saying BlackBerry has to devote all its resources to implement this, that would be insane. With that being said what does it take to put together a team to get the task accomplished, and that being the end of it? Whether or not you use emoji's ,regardless of your age, to ignore this feature when all other platforms have it would be a mistake in my opinion. It's just another stupid little thing that would keep some people from warming up to the platform. Clearly as I write this on my Z30 it hasn't affected my choice in brand, but for some it's a deal-breaker.

    Let's move on now shall we?



    Posted via CB10 on my awesome new Z30!
    03-04-14 03:43 PM
  13. Apollo_IV's Avatar
    I had to google what emojis are.... seriously no one uses them in the asian world as far as I know. not in china, india, malaysia, singapore, indonesia, thailand....

    Even japan whom created them are all using naver line which has stickers!

    Asia uses whatsapp, we chat, line, kakao talk and to a certain extent bbm.

    So I assume emoji's are send through SMS? If so its really not important to the largest region in the world.

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2141, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    You obviously didn't google them properly if this is the conclusion you came to.

    These are the standard emojis used by millions of users on WhatsApp, iMessage and Twitter to name a few:
    iEmoji.com - Lookup, Convert, and Tweet with iPhone Emoji!

    Funnily enough we can use them in WhatsApp for BB10 but that's about it which is quite annoying really.
    03-04-14 05:11 PM
  14. The Big Picture's Avatar
    You obviously didn't google them properly if this is the conclusion you came to.

    These are the standard emojis used by millions of users on WhatsApp, iMessage and Twitter to name a few:
    iEmoji.com - Lookup, Convert, and Tweet with iPhone Emoji!

    Funnily enough we can use them in WhatsApp for BB10 but that's about it which is quite annoying really.
    Yes we can use them within whatsapp and the other instant messengers too. So the problem is just SMS?

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2141, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    03-04-14 07:42 PM
  15. badiyee's Avatar
    I never said I had a problem with a rebuttle/response to my post. But when you reply in a condescending tone and accuse me of throwing cheap shots at BlackBerry, this I have a problem with.

    So what is considered constructive criticism to you? I stated what I and many others consider a flaw in bb10 in the form of lack of emoji support, and suggested that they work on supporting it in the future. I did not criticize BlackBerry without reason, and definitely gave a solution to my proposed problem. If you can't see that then I'm not sure how much clearer I can get. And what about being courteous? I didn't know I was talking to the Queen, get over yourself man. Nobody seems to have a problem with what I said except you. If you can't handle the fact that my comment was a little stern, too bad?

    So you're telling me you've never used a simple smiley face in a text or bbm/whatsapp? Come on lol I find that hard to believe. Even if you received one it has benefited you in the sense that it has allowed another to communicate with you. You may have never used an emoji yourself but don't tell me other people haven't sent you any at all.

    Nobody is saying BlackBerry has to devote all its resources to implement this, that would be insane. With that being said what does it take to put together a team to get the task accomplished, and that being the end of it? Whether or not you use emoji's ,regardless of your age, to ignore this feature when all other platforms have it would be a mistake in my opinion. It's just another stupid little thing that would keep some people from warming up to the platform. Clearly as I write this on my Z30 it hasn't affected my choice in brand, but for some it's a deal-breaker.

    Let's move on now shall we?



    Posted via CB10 on my awesome new Z30!

    First of all, I did not claim that I do not use smiley / emoticons / emojis (or any form of ASCII art). Secondly, irregardless of whatever form of ASCII art people send me, if I cannot interpret it due to whatever reasons (in this case if its sent via SMS it would be the limitations of the device), I will ask for clarification. The prior argument you posted about "emojis replaces long sentences that cannot sum up emotions" does not apply to some people ( I won't say many and I won't say majority, but I do know there are some that are just... "we don't give two hoots about it") in how communication is conducted. Thirdly, it does not mean that if i'm doing the rebuttal only I am having an issue with you. I have an issue with the point you raised, and there is no need for (insert plural numbers here) members to repeat / extend a counter argument. I do not represent any other voice but mine, but it does not mean I'm alone (with the point) and so are yours.

    However, there is a fundamental problem with the statement in the first place. That is the poster just lashed out his anger/frustration/any negative emotions over the fact that BlackBerry devices do not support emoji over SMS, and makes a claim that therefore the BlackBerry device is not something to get. In case you forgot,

    This is something that needs to be addressed ASAP. I agree it's just another reason to not consider a blackberry.


    Let me ask you, was that even constructive, apart from it being a criticism / tongue lashing? Was there even a solution in that quote? Nil.

    The fact that after some people came in and raised a counter argument only then the poster decided to voice out alternatives and what not. Please do not assume people can read into your mind that you'll propose your points later. If you've got something to say you say it RIGHT there. Not wailing "OH NO THIS IS A REASON NOT TO GET A BLACKBERRY!" and run off, and expect people to behave in a civil / courteous manner and say "ah let him be, we already know what he's to say... i think he'll say that there needs to be a team to implement this feature, aye? so now we know his mind, let him be". Yeah right.



    If such a user cannot even behave courteously in pointing out a flaw, let alone trying to masquarade it as "constructive criticism" (when evidently there was nothing "constructive", and being rude on top of that, please don't tell others that he/she can get away easily.

    Not especially when "rights" to "free speech" does not dictate that the speaker is immune to any rebukes and rebuttals. And that was exactly what I did. I raised my point in the same manner the poster did.




    and now the same poster is accusing that I was rude to him when he himself had not made any constructive part in his/her criticism.



    On the topic, I still don't see how or why BlackBerry should even prioritize emoji support in SMS. Furthermore, with opinions that IM services are killing SMS-es (or how it is, depending on which camp you're on), I feel that BlackBerry should not focus a group / resources (which I believe is spread very thin now) to emoji support on SMS. If its there, would everyone be happy? I know many would be happy. But because there isn't none, I still feel that BlackBerry should not devote its resources into emoji support for SMS yet, until it has got other high priority things done right first.
    03-04-14 07:45 PM
  16. jvinp's Avatar
    Is there a good reason - not an after the fact explanation but a reason - why there is no emoji support?

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 07:52 PM
  17. Fnen90's Avatar
    Emojis aren't really a professional method of expressing a concept or aspect of a conversation. BlackBerry is geared and becoming more entrenched in its business mentality so I hardly think that it's a must for the brand.

    Posted via CB10
    Here we.go again..... that's why BlackBerry sucks at this.time...no anything NATIVELY...thats why we are where we are in 2014. A smartphone should not be all about communicating and organizing stuff like most frustrated BB users are.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 07:55 PM
  18. spikesolie's Avatar
    Here we.go again..... that's why BlackBerry sucks at this.time...no anything NATIVELY...thats why we are where we are in 2014. A smartphone should not be all about communicating and organizing stuff like most frustrated BB users are.

    Posted via CB10
    Blackberry doesn't suck, and I'm definitely not frustrated. Just in case you have a z30 and you plan in going to apple could I have it?

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 07:58 PM
  19. badiyee's Avatar
    Is there a good reason - not an after the fact explanation but a reason - why there is no emoji support?

    Posted via CB10
    If memory serves me right, no phones have the get-go support for Emojis. The phones with the support of emojis will require some form of translator, for example


    if in text, or autotext
    thx -> thanks


    in emojis, what happens is like this

    CTRL+1234 (just a made up example) -> picture of something.


    the thing is the SMS app will have to have a built in translator. In most cases of Android phones (particularly the older ones), what people do is normally they install a 3rd party emoji sms app on top of their sms. However it can break the user experience on the phone (since you rely on the 3rd party sms app to do the decoding).



    And if I'm not mistaken there are new ones that are gradually being inserted as well (most of these come from Japan, and their top 3 telco / carriers) and therefore requires updating and maintenance from time to time.
    03-04-14 07:59 PM
  20. Apollo_IV's Avatar
    Yes we can use them within whatsapp and the other instant messengers too. So the problem is just SMS?

    Q10SQN100-3/10.2.1.2141, Z30, Z10, iP5, SGS3
    It's not about SMS. It's about having the option to insert an emoji from the keyboard itself on a website, post or an instant messenger without having to copy and paste from WhatsApp(the only one that actually has the universal emojis) + being able to see what they are when people on other platforms send it to us. I don't even have to use them to become aggravated for getting a fkn question mark/crossed box instead of what the person actually sent me.
    Last edited by Apollo_IV; 03-04-14 at 11:35 PM.
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    03-04-14 08:08 PM
  21. RTK90's Avatar
    Here we.go again..... that's why BlackBerry sucks at this.time...no anything NATIVELY...thats why we are where we are in 2014. A smartphone should not be all about communicating and organizing stuff like most frustrated BB users are.

    Posted via CB10
    One could contest BlackBerry is in the situation it is now due to the fact that it changed what it was at the core.



    Let's be fair BlackBerry is here bc they went almost 2 years with no development being brought to the table.




    Really guys, how are we still talking about this.... it's really not even that important and no one is bringing anything new to the discussion. Let's move on shall we.

    Posted via CB10
    03-04-14 11:11 PM
  22. matt0135's Avatar
    First of all, I did not claim that I do not use smiley / emoticons / emojis (or any form of ASCII art). Secondly, irregardless of whatever form of ASCII art people send me, if I cannot interpret it due to whatever reasons (in this case if its sent via SMS it would be the limitations of the device), I will ask for clarification. The prior argument you posted about "emojis replaces long sentences that cannot sum up emotions" does not apply to some people ( I won't say many and I won't say majority, but I do know there are some that are just... "we don't give two hoots about it") in how communication is conducted. Thirdly, it does not mean that if i'm doing the rebuttal only I am having an issue with you. I have an issue with the point you raised, and there is no need for (insert plural numbers here) members to repeat / extend a counter argument. I do not represent any other voice but mine, but it does not mean I'm alone (with the point) and so are yours.

    However, there is a fundamental problem with the statement in the first place. That is the poster just lashed out his anger/frustration/any negative emotions over the fact that BlackBerry devices do not support emoji over SMS, and makes a claim that therefore the BlackBerry device is not something to get. In case you forgot,

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    Let me ask you, was that even constructive, apart from it being a criticism / tongue lashing? Was there even a solution in that quote? Nil.

    The fact that after some people came in and raised a counter argument only then the poster decided to voice out alternatives and what not. Please do not assume people can read into your mind that you'll propose your points later. If you've got something to say you say it RIGHT there. Not wailing "OH NO THIS IS A REASON NOT TO GET A BLACKBERRY!" and run off, and expect people to behave in a civil / courteous manner and say "ah let him be, we already know what he's to say... i think he'll say that there needs to be a team to implement this feature, aye? so now we know his mind, let him be". Yeah right.



    If such a user cannot even behave courteously in pointing out a flaw, let alone trying to masquarade it as "constructive criticism" (when evidently there was nothing "constructive", and being rude on top of that, please don't tell others that he/she can get away easily.

    Not especially when "rights" to "free speech" does not dictate that the speaker is immune to any rebukes and rebuttals. And that was exactly what I did. I raised my point in the same manner the poster did.




    and now the same poster is accusing that I was rude to him when he himself had not made any constructive part in his/her criticism.



    On the topic, I still don't see how or why BlackBerry should even prioritize emoji support in SMS. Furthermore, with opinions that IM services are killing SMS-es (or how it is, depending on which camp you're on), I feel that BlackBerry should not focus a group / resources (which I believe is spread very thin now) to emoji support on SMS. If its there, would everyone be happy? I know many would be happy. But because there isn't none, I still feel that BlackBerry should not devote its resources into emoji support for SMS yet, until it has got other high priority things done right first.
    Half of your argument's are repeats of what I've already answered, yet you conveniently choose to ignore my replies.

    Think about how unproductive it is to stop the conversation and ask a friend what they meant by that question mark or x where an emoji should have been. It's just something that could be fixed and would make cross-platform communications that much easier.

    We're still on my original comment are we? Just because you do not approve of the tone of my first post does not mean you are right and I am wrong. It doesn't mean the opposite either, but the fact that you continue to take my statement out of context is troubling. Was the post made in anger? No. Was there a hint of frustration? Yes you bet there was. After all I OWN the product I am talking about, so I would feel that I'm allowed to have some minor dissatisfaction. It's like if I go buy a lamp, it works great but lacks a particular function that most lamps have and I do not, I can make the same comment like I did initially. I never said I didn't expect feedback and comments from my post, but when it is done in a condescending and accusation filled manner, It's not a good way of arguing ones view.

    For some especially people who come from iphones I'd say, just like apps the emoji IS a deal-breaker and costs blackberry sales just for one minor issue.

    This denial mode some blackberry supporters are in needs to stop. Just because you don't see the purpose in a feature that many require does not mean it should be put on the back burner, or that the poster should be attacked. If you have a comment opposite to the posters views that's fine, but don't make things personal. We are encountered by features that our phones lack and deny them as not important-the spec argument of a dual-core being "enough" example would suffice here. Are there other features blackberry should improve on or implement that might be more important than emojis? Yes I would imagine there are. But you still need to recognize that there IS a problem presented with lack of emoji support. And it IS a another reason why one may not consider a blackberry. To ignore that would be bad business in my eyes, as I would be working for features that are going to get me sales in the short term, and focus on the features that can wait a little for the long run.

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    03-06-14 12:14 PM
  23. FrankIAm's Avatar
    Half of your argument's are repeats of what I've already answered, yet you conveniently choose to ignore my replies.

    Think about how unproductive it is to stop the conversation and ask a friend what they meant by that question mark or x where an emoji should have been. It's just something that could be fixed and would make cross-platform communications that much easier.

    We're still on my original comment are we? Just because you do not approve of the tone of my first post does not mean you are right and I am wrong. It doesn't mean the opposite either, but the fact that you continue to take my statement out of context is troubling. Was the post made in anger? No. Was there a hint of frustration? Yes you bet there was. After all I OWN the product I am talking about, so I would feel that I'm allowed to have some minor dissatisfaction. It's like if I go buy a lamp, it works great but lacks a particular function that most lamps have and I do not, I can make the same comment like I did initially. I never said I didn't expect feedback and comments from my post, but when it is done in a condescending and accusation filled manner, It's not a good way of arguing ones view.

    For some especially people who come from iphones I'd say, just like apps the emoji IS a deal-breaker and costs blackberry sales just for one minor issue.

    This denial mode some blackberry supporters are in needs to stop. Just because you don't see the purpose in a feature that many require does not mean it should be put on the back burner, or that the poster should be attacked. If you have a comment opposite to the posters views that's fine, but don't make things personal. We are encountered by features that our phones lack and deny them as not important-the spec argument of a dual-core being "enough" example would suffice here. Are there other features blackberry should improve on or implement that might be more important than emojis? Yes I would imagine there are. But you still need to recognize that there IS a problem presented with lack of emoji support. And it IS a another reason why one may not consider a blackberry. To ignore that would be bad business in my eyes, as I would be working for features that are going to get me sales in the short term, and focus on the features that can wait a little for the long run.

    Posted via CB10 on my awesome new Z30!
    SHOOT UP MAN BLACKBERRY IS P3RFECT AND ANY0NE WHO SAYS OTHERW1SE IS STUPEED!!1!1!1

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    03-06-14 12:26 PM
  24. badiyee's Avatar
    SHOOT UP MAN BLACKBERRY IS P3RFECT AND ANY0NE WHO SAYS OTHERW1SE IS STUPEED!!1!1!1

    BlackBerry 101 - Help Channel
    Not sure what you're getting at, but that is good sarcasm alright.

    Half of your argument's are repeats of what I've already answered, yet you conveniently choose to ignore my replies.

    Think about how unproductive it is to stop the conversation and ask a friend what they meant by that question mark or x where an emoji should have been. It's just something that could be fixed and would make cross-platform communications that much easier.

    We're still on my original comment are we? Just because you do not approve of the tone of my first post does not mean you are right and I am wrong. It doesn't mean the opposite either, but the fact that you continue to take my statement out of context is troubling. Was the post made in anger? No. Was there a hint of frustration? Yes you bet there was. After all I OWN the product I am talking about, so I would feel that I'm allowed to have some minor dissatisfaction. It's like if I go buy a lamp, it works great but lacks a particular function that most lamps have and I do not, I can make the same comment like I did initially. I never said I didn't expect feedback and comments from my post, but when it is done in a condescending and accusation filled manner, It's not a good way of arguing ones view.

    For some especially people who come from iphones I'd say, just like apps the emoji IS a deal-breaker and costs blackberry sales just for one minor issue.

    This denial mode some blackberry supporters are in needs to stop. Just because you don't see the purpose in a feature that many require does not mean it should be put on the back burner, or that the poster should be attacked. If you have a comment opposite to the posters views that's fine, but don't make things personal. We are encountered by features that our phones lack and deny them as not important-the spec argument of a dual-core being "enough" example would suffice here. Are there other features blackberry should improve on or implement that might be more important than emojis? Yes I would imagine there are. But you still need to recognize that there IS a problem presented with lack of emoji support. And it IS a another reason why one may not consider a blackberry. To ignore that would be bad business in my eyes, as I would be working for features that are going to get me sales in the short term, and focus on the features that can wait a little for the long run.

    Posted via CB10 on my awesome new Z30!
    1 I can agree if it would be unproductive to ask "what's this asterix and hashes mean" to anybody over the phone. However it does not mean that because every other phone has it therefore BlackBerry must have it.

    2. You admitted yourself that you wrote the post in frustration and now you're justifying that you have "legitimate" concerns therefore you can gripe. I don't challenge that. However, what I have challenged is that you claimed that your post was "supposedly" constructive criticism. I beg to differ.

    All I see was a rant, and a generalized remark. Had nobody rebuked on that you wouldn't even bothered to follow up and even attempt to offer an explanation or an alternative or a way to address it, which on that first post alone you did not. Therefore it does not qualify as a constructive criticism, even if the constructive part waaaaaaaay back after the post (only in self defense of your own rhetoric that BBRY must have emojis now that others have).

    3. I have not said that BBRY must ignore EMOJIs altogether, or turn a blind eye to this "issue". All I have been attacking is your first point and it is of my personal opinion that even if this is an issue, BBRY should not devote resources to this issue just yet, until they have got other issues that are plaguing the user experience and functionality of their BlackBerry 10 phones rectified first (emojis may or may not be a part of that, but it is of my stand that BBRY should not prioritize emoji support just yet a a native UE baked-in) Is ignoring and placing emoji support on to a back burner two different things? yes. It is interlinked. Has that made me a BlackBerry "i'm a loyalist i'm a denier" mode? certainly no.
    03-06-14 08:53 PM
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    100th!(:

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    03-06-14 09:04 PM
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