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  1. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    I don't like android because you can only get the full experience if hour using your Gmail account. If you have anything else, the phone doesn't work to its full capabilities. Like for instance, when you make a note, it creates that note in your Gmail account, not the non gmail account. Also, I would flag an email through an android devise bit it would flag the email at my main account. That's what so good about BlackBerry. It doesn't matter what email you have. You have one email client on the phone and it works with all emails. Android has two separate email clients one for Gmail which I'd you have gmail works great. The other email client isn't as robust.

    Posted via CB10
    Ironically Gmail gives BB10 the most issues.

    Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.2141
    03-20-14 08:52 PM
  2. vrud's Avatar
    What are you going to do? Lock yourself in your house and never talk to anyone? Don't let this stop you from enjoying life, connecting with others, and moving forward.
    We have a lot of choices. Smartphones became a commodity. I had bad experience with android myself and have no problems with blackberry (so far). Am I crazy about privacy and security? Perhaps, but not to the point to lock myself in the house. I have a friend who loves android and installed an anti-virus on his smartphone. I wonder why he did it and will ask him next time but I bet he experienced some problems similar to mine and it prompted to install the anti-virus.

    I don't care if others disregard security and not going to advocate for it.

    IMO, android is good for those who want extra OS flexibility but personally, I have no time to follow all the security alerts and understand what every setting is responsible for and what adverse effects it can cause. I have a couple windows machines at home and that is enough for me to manage.

    Android had pricing advantage but with 200$ Z10 during Christmas sale and upcoming Foxconn partnership the pricing difference vanishes.

    Posted via CB10
    03-20-14 08:56 PM
  3. vrud's Avatar
    Oh, forgot to mention. I don't hate android phones. I tested a couple from communication perspective and found behind BB10 in terms of handling email.

    Posted via CB10
    03-20-14 08:59 PM
  4. Edward in Toronto's Avatar
    I don't hate Android, I just hate what happened to it, being that Google has wrapped it's tentacles around it.
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    03-20-14 10:24 PM
  5. Mangelhaft's Avatar
    I have a Samsung Note 4 tablet and a work phone, which both use Android. I have a minimum of apps loaded on each of them because of security issues. I do not dislike the Android OS, per se, but rather the apps. Being an open source OS, anyone can adapt the OS or write an app for the operating system without much oversight, quality control, or security verification. This makes it easy for someone to write an app that monitors all device activity and/or sends e-mails, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, passswords, GPS location data, etc. to a remote server. Many people do not read the EULAs (End User License Agreements). They just click "YES", or grant broad permissions to the program (app). The same is true for many PC programs. This is where the security issues come in.

    On a personal note, I get at least ten spam text messages from firends and collegues who have installed the latest, greatest app on their Android device..
    03-21-14 12:59 AM
  6. Pkimmd's Avatar
    I don't think a Google/Apple monopoly is good for consumers in the long run.
    THIS. I find it hard to believe that people don't understand the importance of competition in the market, especially for products that we use on a daily basis.
    03-21-14 01:09 AM
  7. cloudberry's Avatar
    i dont...in fact i have both BB and android. i just like BB more
    03-21-14 03:22 AM
  8. David Murray1's Avatar
    Android is dweeby, sexless and bland.

    Posted via CB10
    03-21-14 03:44 AM
  9. Yatezy's Avatar
    Proof right here. A basic really popular wallpaper app with over 10 million downloads.
    It asks for full access to pretty much every permission possible.

    Attachment 256814
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    Posted by Antoniius via my sexy white Q10.
    Here's that wallpaper app and how many times its used those permissions:


    Now here's BBM, repeatedly looking through my contacts. Can you tell me why BlackBerry needs my contacts?
    03-21-14 03:44 AM
  10. georg4BB's Avatar
    I don't hate Android as an OS. But it's Google behind this OS. Why offers Google Android for free? Because google wants you to use Google Services. Their business is to track every aspect of your behaviour to provide you advertising, their core business.
    Is this OK for you?
    For me it isn't. I don't want to allow a company to track all my behavour. It's a question of dignity.
    03-21-14 03:47 AM
  11. Mangelhaft's Avatar
    I don't hate Android as an OS. But it's Google behind this OS. Why offers Google Android for free? Because google wants you to use Google Services. Their business is to track every aspect of your behaviour to provide you advertising, their core business.
    Is this OK for you?
    For me it isn't. I don't want to allow a company to track all my behavour. It's a question of dignity.
    Even Google Voice is not safe: Google uses voice recognition to find key words in your conversations to target advertising.
    03-21-14 03:53 AM
  12. jon4400's Avatar
    Here's that wallpaper app and how many times its used those permissions:
    http://i.imgur.com/w0rFakW.jpg

    Now here's BBM, repeatedly looking through my contacts. Can you tell me why BlackBerry needs my contacts?
    http://i.imgur.com/UL1z4Fm.jpg
    I'm not sure how it works on Android but on BB10 if you open your contacts app, you will see your BBM contacts listed also.

    Posted via CB10
    03-21-14 04:04 AM
  13. RayGTX's Avatar
    Ironically Gmail gives BB10 the most issues.

    Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.2141
    That's because Google makes it so. I've had many emails and find it strange that gmail is the only one with this issue. Even iPhone me email works great on BlackBerry. Yahoo, live, exchange, me, Hotmail, and even AOL all worked great with BlackBerry devices.

    Posted via CB10
    03-21-14 04:07 AM
  14. Yatezy's Avatar
    I'm not sure how it works on Android but on BB10 if you open your contacts app, you will see your BBM contacts listed also.

    Posted via CB10
    I hadn't opened my contacts list, and had not opened bbm for over an hour when I took that picture. Also worth pointing out none of my friends use bbm, I only have 3 bbm and they are randomers so it won't be that. I certainly didn't use the search contacts for bbm feature that's been implemented.

    All apps use data. As you can see from above even reputable developers use stuff they shouldn't be rummaging through.

    I realise that I maybe giving up data and have an online profile about me but if I was that bothered by security I wouldn't use text messages, zero phone calls, put all my phones data through the TOR network, wouldn't use search engines, would completely limit all email use, never pay on card. But if they wanna make a profile off me based on my enjoyment of technology, sport and porn (not necessary in that order) then be my guest.
    03-21-14 04:59 AM
  15. gibsoje74's Avatar
    I can't say I hate android. But I love to use my blackberry to complete any task I have without the worries of viruses or malware. The very first time I went on a site with my android. I visited a site that Iregularly visit on my blackberry. I never used the internet on that phone again. I got this funny looking error talking about my phone could have a virus with a screen sized picture of an android with a thermometer and a ice bag on his head. This screen loaded everytime I used my browser. I even had a mcafee on my phone and it still got screwed. Long story short I ended up having to do a factory reset on my phone to get rid of it. Not only with browsing, google play does not screen the apps devs upload on their server. Leaving android phones vulnerable when downloading google play apps. I wander why they put that 3rd party app toggle on their phones anyway? The UI has never been user friendly to me. It's too cluttered and thrown together. It's not organized at all. Me personally, Blackberry compared to any other operating system out there is a no brainer. Android should be strictly a gaming os. Apple is a better version of android to me. Even they seem more secure. And windows mobile I don't like them either, because I can never get used to their UI, but I respect them. Seems to me they have a productive os. Probably the only os that can stand up to BlackBerry in a showdown.
    03-21-14 05:27 AM
  16. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    ... what is "Android" ?


    Edit: surely humoristic, but as meaningful than asking about "Americans" (compare texas to New York ?) or "blacks" (Kenyans and West Indians ?) and all these type of "containers" that usually result in a messy comprehension of the subject.

    If you ask me, I hate Google (the company). Because of its track record and the way he stole the community work and our data. I must admit almost the same goes for apple (company, again). This is my very entitled opinion and I'm particullary careful with that as the device talk shouldn't be biased by that. Its a personal effort I do almost each day, because we're MoNa, we're people, and none of us should be held responsible for the behavior of their devices' mother company. I have other tribunes for that (company griefs) and I use them accordingly.

    Now "Android" ... I just prefer my platform of choice, BlackBerry10.
    Last edited by Superfly_FR; 03-21-14 at 06:19 AM.
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    03-21-14 06:01 AM
  17. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I can't say I hate android. But I love to use my blackberry to complete any task I have without the worries of viruses or malware. The very first time I went on a site with my android. I visited a site that Iregularly visit on my blackberry. I never used the internet on that phone again. I got this funny looking error talking about my phone could have a virus with a screen sized picture of an android with a thermometer and a ice bag on his head. This screen loaded everytime I used my browser. I even had a mcafee on my phone and it still got screwed. Long story short I ended up having to do a factory reset on my phone to get rid of it. Not only with browsing, google play does not screen the apps devs upload on their server. Leaving android phones vulnerable when downloading google play apps. I wander why they put that 3rd party app toggle on their phones anyway? The UI has never been user friendly to me. It's too cluttered and thrown together. It's not organized at all. Me personally, Blackberry compared to any other operating system out there is a no brainer. Android should be strictly a gaming os. Apple is a better version of android to me. Even they seem more secure. And windows mobile I don't like them either, because I can never get used to their UI, but I respect them. Seems to me they have a productive os. Probably the only os that can stand up to BlackBerry in a showdown.
    Your experience with Android is atypical. You shouldn't be seeing virus messages at sites you visit safely on other devices. No Android browsers have built-in virus generators. No one I no uses anti-viral apps on Android; in fact, I spoke to an exec at a major company that publishes those "Android is falling" publications and an anti-virus apps. He (plus 9 of 11 of his team) uses Android.

    If folks got random virus messages using Android, they simply wouldn't use it.

    Having said that, you should use a platform you feel comfortable with; choice is a good thing.
    03-21-14 06:03 AM
  18. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I don't hate Android as an OS. But it's Google behind this OS. Why offers Google Android for free? Because google wants you to use Google Services. Their business is to track every aspect of your behaviour to provide you advertising, their core business.
    Is this OK for you?
    For me it isn't. I don't want to allow a company to track all my behavour. It's a question of dignity.
    Again, are you okay with BB collecting your information?
    03-21-14 06:06 AM
  19. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    why do everybody in here hates Android so much?
    Don't think everyone does. :-)

    I have a Kindle Fire HDX and I am pretty honest that I don't the get the appeal of Android personally. It's just my own taste and probably some of it has to do with specific limitations of the Kindle itself.

    I expected a lot of glorious apps when I bought it. While there are some titles I can't get on my Z10 (and definitely not on the PlayBook that preceded it), the Kindle App Store suffers from a drought, much like BlackBerry World. Most devs put apps into Google Play alone, which means you can't officially get the app. Or if you get the app, it's an older version. I bought it expecting to get all these great Android apps and have many of the same issues as I did with a BlackBerry. I at least expected to access Google Play on my own and it turns out, not only is Amazon a jerk ... so is Google. No can do without rooting it. Sadly, many of the apps I've found don't run as well or look as nice as they do on my iPad Mini either. They have the tonnage (as Jim B would say), but not always the quality.

    Now, you can go to other - um - unofficial channels, but that leads to a second problem with it. Horrible version control. I've had apps stop working, but getting rid of them can be a multi step pain in the arse. Remove it from the carousel. Remove it from the pane. Remove it from the cloud. Then reinstall. If the app exists on the Amazon store in an older version, it can get into this weird state where it constantly downloads the older version repeatedly but the app refuses to run.

    This version control problem points out another general issue with my Kindle, but also one that I have with Android in general. I hate the UI relative to other platforms. I find it **** ugly. I find it unintuitive compared to the other platforms and I find it uneloquent. The Kindle has the cool carousel for sure, but other parts of UI causes me angst.

    For all its warts, I loved the simple app navigation process on the PlayBook ... flick up, flick left or right, tap. To close an app, flip up, click the X. On the Kindle, that multi-home and back button approach takes longer. It's difficult to locate how to shut down a background app.

    What about updates? The little notification panel on the PlayBook told me a new app version was available. On the Kindle? Go digging through settings and settings.

    New email or Facebook message? The PlayBook started to blink red. The impacted app was highlighted. On the Z10 there's a toast. On the Kindle ... nothing ... except maybe a light orange message indicator that I frequently miss.

    Updating the device? My iOS and BlackBerry devices flash a notification that a new version is available. My Kindle buries it deep down in the settings. Ditto for app updates, and I frequently miss them.

    Even when I bought the device, getting the software to allow it to communicate with my computer was a pain. There was no concept of "Link" or "iTunes" to manage it, but multiple pieces of software. I watch movies on my devices. Out of the box, I could set up wireless file sharing with my Z10 and PlayBook to drag and drop movies. The iPod and iPad would sync with iTunes. The Kindle? Not so far. I'm sure I could download something that would do it, but would have expected it natively.

    I know I seem like I'm harping, but this has been my experience with Android ... very powerful and capable on a technical level. But I find it to be very unrefined from a day-to-day usability perspective ... at least on the Kindle. Navigating is a pain. Notifications don't do a good job. Updating is a pain. It doesn't open up the world of apps like I expected and that brings its own issues.
    03-21-14 06:08 AM
  20. Richard Buckley's Avatar


    Explain to me in layman's term, that how unsecure it is. I'm do not download weird/shady apps
    Explain to me, in layman's terms, how you know which apps are weird/shady.

    Here is some relatively balanced and informative reading on the subject: Android Malware: Separating Reality from Hype - eSecurity Planet
    03-21-14 06:10 AM
  21. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Don't think everyone does. :-)

    I have a Kindle Fire HDX and I am pretty honest that I don't the get the appeal of Android personally. It's just my own taste and probably some of it has to do with specific limitations of the Kindle itself.
    I agree with a lot of your reservations. The Kindle is an example of what happens when you fork of Android and lose Gapps. I take my hat off to Amazon for creating its own ecosystem, but it pales in comparison to Google Play, and app versions sometimes trail what is in Play.

    For all intent and purposes, The Kindle line is a budget offering that is better geared as an entry device for casual readers versus power users like yourself.
    03-21-14 06:14 AM
  22. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    I agree with a lot of your reservations. The Kindle is an example of what happens when you fork of Android and lose Gapps. I take my hat off to Amazon for creating its own ecosystem, but it pales in comparison to Google Play, and app versions sometimes trail what is in Play.

    For all intent and purposes, The Kindle line is a budget offering that is better geared as an entry device for casual readers versus power users like yourself.
    It was my bad for not researching the "access Google Play" thing further. I had heard a setting could be changed so that you could access apps outside of the Amazon Store, but didn't realize till it came home that it was deliberately blocked from Google Play.

    I do like the hardware a lot - the screen is nice, love the feel of the form factor and the oragami stand is a neat idea. And I was definitely seduced by the low price.
    03-21-14 06:24 AM
  23. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    It was my bad for not researching the "access Google Play" thing further. I had heard a setting could be changed so that you could access apps outside of the Amazon Store, but didn't realize till it came home that it was deliberately blocked from Google Play.

    I do like the hardware a lot - the screen is nice, love the feel of the form factor and the oragami stand is a neat idea. And I was definitely seduced by the low price.
    Ditto. Price got me. It can be rooted to get access to Google Play, but in the end, I switched it out for the Nook HD+, which was updated to have access to Gooogle Play. If you think the Amazon Appstore was bad, check out Nook's LOL. Getting Google Play definitely made their devices much better.
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    03-21-14 06:28 AM
  24. sleepngbear's Avatar
    Its good to be positive.

    What I commented on was the ridiculousness of arguing about which platform is "best", a relative term. It matters not what forum you are on. The same would be true.

    Posted via my Nexus 10.
    But that's what all of these threads that mention any other platform eventually deteriorate to. And I agree, they are all equally ridiculous.
    03-21-14 06:55 AM
  25. Yatezy's Avatar
    I can't say I hate android. But I love to use my blackberry to complete any task I have without the worries of viruses or malware. The very first time I went on a site with my android. I visited a site that Iregularly visit on my blackberry. I never used the internet on that phone again. I got this funny looking error talking about my phone could have a virus with a screen sized picture of an android with a thermometer and a ice bag on his head.
    I read about these and had one recently myself. They're adverts. There was an article about an anti virus app that would show the advert saying your phone was infected and to click the link to download the anti virus app. I'll try and find a link, was read a couple of weeks back tho.

    Edit: not the exact article I read but basically on the same lines

    http://www.symantec.com/connect/blog...push-antivirus

    And another here

    http://www.androidauthority.com/mobi...re-ads-338182/

    From what I've read of Android, the only way you're getting a virus is if you accept the permissions from an app. They don't just sit on your phone working in the background. So installing it like an app is the only way for it to work. This is easily combated by having install from unknown sources unticked (it's unticked by default) and if you tick it yourself then you gotta use your own common sense from there onwards.
    Last edited by Yatezy; 03-21-14 at 07:32 AM.
    03-21-14 07:12 AM
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