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  1. Kendall Oei's Avatar
    Many corporations have not implemented BES10, which means their users have to stay on OS7. As corporations roll out BES10, you will see more BB10 purchases, but also iOS and Androids work on BES10 too and may replace some OS7 devices too.
    12-20-13 12:37 PM
  2. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    A lot cheaper!

    Posted via CB10
    Actually the Z10 is cheaper then the 9900 now and more or less the same price as the 9720, been so for a while now.

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    12-20-13 12:37 PM
  3. TioPepe78's Avatar
    they need a lumia 520 device basically. the q5 just wasnt it
    Exactly!!!
    12-20-13 12:43 PM
  4. Jaap bb4fr's Avatar
    For me it is just the price of the data bis is much sheaper
    12-20-13 01:08 PM
  5. Jaap bb4fr's Avatar
    Maybe bring a bis app to bb10 ?
    12-20-13 01:09 PM
  6. lnichols's Avatar
    Two reasons. The first is Cheap phones and cheap plans in markets where the average income is lower. The second is many businesses and Governments haven't migrated to BES10, and have to still buy devices that talk to BES5.

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    12-20-13 01:10 PM
  7. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    There is multiple factors but the biggest is because BB7 is much cheaper. Chen mentioned that the upcoming device will have 3G and be a cheap BB10 I suspect half the price of the Q5 or something of that sort.

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    12-20-13 01:11 PM
  8. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Actually the Z10 is cheaper then the 9900 now and more or less the same price as the 9720, been so for a while now.

    Posted via CB10
    That depends where you look. Z10 hasn't dropped below everywhere.

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    12-20-13 01:12 PM
  9. Jaap bb4fr's Avatar
    2) bis saves me a lot by that i mean a lot of money cos i travel a lot between borders
    12-20-13 01:15 PM
  10. Jaap bb4fr's Avatar
    Os7 /bis in combinatioj wth my playbook is awsom , cant beat by bb10
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    12-20-13 01:21 PM
  11. Loc22's Avatar
    When everyone is referring to the cost to own, is it a fair assumption this is off-contract price? I think regional wages, regional brands, carrier plan pricing and contracts, and devices costs all have a partial say in the sales.
    Nope you have to also understand that prices in the US, Canada and so on are really cheap. They are not the same in countries like Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and so on.

    Here in Malaysia the price of a Z 10 is more than 2 times the monthly minimum wage at approximately USD 670 non contact. If you were to sign a 2 year contract it will cost USD 220 - 420 which is still more than a month of minimum wage. The average wage is approximately USD 500. The average salary in Malaysia is slightly higher than that in Indonesia.

    If you were to put yourself in their shoes, would you spend more than 1 months salary to purchase any phone with a contract to commit to pay the telco's another USD 30 a month in minimum call charges?

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    12-20-13 01:25 PM
  12. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    Os7 /bis in combinatioj wth my playbook is awsom , cant beat by bb10
    In price savings true. But BB10 is getting the growth of features and apps

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    12-20-13 01:25 PM
  13. GS51's Avatar
    BlackBerry needs a super cheap 4.5" touchscreen phone. 1.2ghz dual core, 2gb ram, 5mp cam with auto focus, 8gb memory and 720p. If they can build and sell that for 150 bucks they will sell many, and they MUST advertise android app support.

    Sent from my Z30
    Put a dual core at 1.2GHz and 2GB of ram on a 4.5" screen and then slam a 5MP camera, no.
    Your like mixing low end and high end hardware together. Your putting Q5 specs on a big screen. This will cost a lot of money and if it did not sell well BB will lose. A Z10 with a 4.5" screen that would sell many with the proper marketing. Although i consider 4.5" to be a bit big as the Z10 now is big enough in size not in screen size.
    12-20-13 01:29 PM
  14. Loc22's Avatar
    they need a lumia 520 device basically. the q5 just wasnt it
    You are missing the point, a Lumia targets a totally different type of customers not BlackBerry types.

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    12-20-13 01:30 PM
  15. Airkettle's Avatar
    I'm 9900 user, I was all set to buy a Z10/Q10, until I found out BB10 was not using BIS. I am owner of a small business, I travel a lot internationaly , without BIS my bills would crazy, I tried a Android once on one of my trips, I would never do that a again (almost passed out when I saw the bill).

    Until BB includes BIS as an option in BB10, I will be sticking with BB7 , I know many BB users that share my view.
    Many on here are saying BB should stop selling BB7 devices, if they did that , it would be good bye.......BB . If you are not a international traveller (holiday or business) you will never understand the importance of BIS.

    BB7(BIS) is only device that helps the self employed/small business person control costs



    Alex
    12-20-13 01:33 PM
  16. David Murray1's Avatar
    omg not this discussion again -.-



    According to my last O2 bill (in the UK), I used 990MB of data ... but it only registered as 65MB out of my 250MB allowance. Nuff said.
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    12-20-13 01:35 PM
  17. remmo's Avatar
    In the software side, BB7 is the result of a slow process of maturity that started with OS4.X.
    Sadly, BBRY did not take the experience acquired with BBOS in order to create a better BB10 from the very beginning. That's why OS7.X has a lot of features that we're still waiting on BB10.
    In the hardware side, BB10 devices are not being created with low-budget customers in mind.. not at all. 2GB RAM requirement is still too much for cheap devices. A trio of high-end, med-end and low-end devices should be on market since day one, but even the Q5 is not suitable for low-income people.
    The lack of BIS is also a drawback for BB10. Legacy devices are able to get low cost social data plans with BBM-only access, that's not possible with BB10.
    So, definitely, BB10 is not a platform for the same type of customers currently using OS7.x devices.
    12-20-13 01:53 PM
  18. RubberChicken76's Avatar
    better battery life
    Say what now? I actually didn't find this to be the case - hated the battery life on the 9900. My Z10 is actually a bit better though I long for the days of the 9700.

    Trackpad
    You raise a good point here that I didn't full appreciate until I traveled recently with someone who had a Q10. And you can completely see why Z10 and Q10 customers have different reactions to BlackBerry 10 in the big CrackBerry survey a while back.

    On the Z10, I found it *EASY* to adapt. Must have been psychological, but it felt like a small PlayBook (which I liked the OS of) and I found it very simple to jump in.

    For some reason, when I played with my buddy's Q10 (even after almost a year of having the Z10) I kept reaching for the menu and back buttons. Something about that form factor made it much more jarring than I found on the Z10. Don't know why, except I couldn't shake it.

    Some of the things you say are very subjective, but I definitely see why people would prefer them if they are used to how they work. I don't find the reception better ... my 9900 dropped a lot of calls actually where my Z10 seldom does. Likewise, I'm missing a few apps from BlackBerry 7, but I have a lot of apps that BlackBerry 7 didn't have. And gaming is on a whole, whole other level. I find BBM much more intuitive now, I love the alerts in 10.2, enjoy the big screen and love the HDMI. I like the camera better too. The app experience is also nicer for me - no rebooting and waiting ten minutes, the device doesn't slow to a crawl when installing and the apps are often much more sophisticated.
    Last edited by RubberChicken76; 12-20-13 at 02:09 PM.
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    12-20-13 01:59 PM
  19. jdcfinisher's Avatar
    Vary few people can just pick up a BB10 and use it, most people can pick up a OS7 and use it. Deters most who pick it up out of curiosity. Saw that when the PlayBook came out, saw several people pick it up at various stores. when they couldn't operate it they moved on. I know five people with older BlackBerry's, non are interested in getting a new phone, theirs work just fine.

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    12-20-13 02:05 PM
  20. OWCA83's Avatar
    In price savings true. But BB10 is getting the growth of features and apps

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    Yeahh!! You right!
    12-20-13 02:06 PM
  21. DJM626's Avatar
    Because people are spoiled and don't want to embrace and adapt to something new.

    Also, pricing plays a very important and key roll and in many instances is the deciding factor.

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    12-20-13 02:19 PM
  22. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Because people are spoiled and don't want to embrace and adapt to something new.

    Also, pricing plays a very important and key roll and in many instances is the deciding factor.

    Posted via CB10
    You got it wrong, spoiled people always want something new, if anything they are just people set in their ways.

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    12-20-13 02:26 PM
  23. ruben1975's Avatar
    I just don't understand. Analyst say is os7 was outdated, BlackBerry comes with a complete new os and still os 7 sells better then os10???

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    12-20-13 02:35 PM
  24. fanisk's Avatar
    One reason is the price and the the second is that people don't like to change an OS that they know already.

    Sent from my Z 30
    12-20-13 02:42 PM
  25. Dave Bourque's Avatar
    You got it wrong, spoiled people always want something new, if anything they are just people set in their ways.

    Posted via CB10
    Reminds me of the people that continue to stomp their opinion as fact that BB10 will continue to flop.

    Z10STL100-3/10.2.0.1803
    12-20-13 02:46 PM
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