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Haha! Sorry mate, I went on the b of the Bang! Lol it's late and my eyes are tired.
I'll scratch the post.
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BB10 may be a great OS but few would call it good looking. Very dull ,dark and boring. Very low appeal in a display case. More of a business phone look I guess but the UI shows that BB needs better designers.
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Well it doesn't need the bright neon day glow coloured and overly simplified icons of iOS 7 that's for sure but it could do with looking a bit more interesting.
If I have to pick faults BB10 is very flat looking and I'm not overly keen on the solid chunky stark white on black look of the Cascades menus. They could be slimmer and a gradient fill rather than solid black, or translucent when they pop across from the sides would be even better. The active Frames screen could do with a more 3D look to it maybe with some transluceny again.
There's room to be "inspired" by iOS 7 but actually get it right instead if looking like a child ate a packet of fluorescent marker pens and then puked up on the screen.
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another thread requiring a break. come back tomorrow!
That is both a blessing and a curse, and I'm not sure it's not more of a curse than a blessing to be promoting openly.
- If Apple users cared about comparing spec-for-spec with Android they would never buy iOS devices.
- A large screen QWERTY device would likely require 2 hands to operate, which defeats the purpose. This is why Apple does not produce giant iPhones.
The low-end market will be a real challenge when you have nowhere near the economy of scale of your large competitors like Samsung. Foxconn will help but they will not help the extra cost associated with lower volume component orders.
The devices already are "better" in a variety of objective measures.
What is important is the perception of superiority, and while demonstrable product quality is part of this (and could certainly be improved), MUCH of that is basically down to mass psychology and herd behaviour.
Verizon never carried a BB slider and I wasn't about to switch carriers over that, especially since what I really wanted was a better 9930, not a slider with a mediocre keyboard that was worse than what I already had.
You need to understand better how the technology works and what the business model is before assuming such things.
For "certain users and usage scenarios", a clay tablet is a superior form of communication. :)
There is no simple "inferior/superior". I have made my specific points about email on the legacy devices and I stand by those things.
If a Q10 had a one inch taller screen and the same width it would operate just as easily as the current model or they can continue what they are doing and fade into obscurity. Apparently the Q10 is not selling as is.
Personally I can't resist the sense that the PB was mostly a half-hearted attempt to get into the tablet market, while its primary purpose was as a proof-of-concept for BB10.
Actually I think the main reason the devices need more RAM than their competitors is that they are running 2 OS's side-by-side.
Take out the Android VM and you would have to eliminate the ability to run 70% of the so-called BB10 apps in BlackBerry World.
Here are some Android apps that I downloaded directly from BlackBerry World and are installed on one of my Z10s:
- Poynt
- Skype
- Slacker Radio
- Kayak
- Candy Bombs
- CIDR Calculator
- DNS Tools
- Free BSSH
- FreeCell
- Ghost Commander
- GPS Status
- httpmon
- IP Network Calculator
- K-9 Mail
- PrintHand
- SecuriSync
- SMS Rage Faces
- SplashID Safe
- timetrack
- timr
- UnixHelper
I see absolutely no evidence for this.
Among other things, legacy BBOS benefitted from the fact that app developers 5 years ago were already used to developing for Java ME because they had done a bunch of apps for platforms like old Nokia featurephones etc that had Java built-in. So it wasn't such a leap to tweak such apps to run on a BlackBerry which also ran Java ME.
But that's all changed now, there is very little mobile phone development targeted at Java ME, Nokia has abandoned it for the most part and that app symbiosis is gone. Those were mostly ridiculously rudimentary and ugly apps anyway.
Just one of many reasons why "reviving" BBOS is silly at this point. The world has moved on.
I think this is closer to the reality.
Reality. It hurts some people's brains sometimes. ;)
From what I have heard recently, carriers in many of those places have gotten very aggressive with service pricing promotions for other platforms, to the point where BIS's service price advantage has evaporated in many of those places anyway.
Yep, and yep.
Reviving BBOS might be silly but reviving the BBOS UI and experience on the BB10 platform is not. It's the only hope existing users will make the switch.
Call it a BBOS Theme if you wish.
Correct. This was a major, major problem.
I have said many times and I'll repeat it again here: this is a MAJOR reason why I think it is so difficult for BlackBerry to make headway in the mass market. There is a HUGE amount of negative mindshare out there, much of it due to 10 years of bitter ex-BlackBerry users who continue to associate BlackBerry with "That horrible, locked-down, slow, laggy thing imposed on me by my former company, that I will never forgive them for."
In fact, I think that a signficant amount of otherwise inexplicably incessant Wall Street negativity about the company actually stems to some extent from the same entrenched bitterness that people harbor about the company from those historical experiences.
If that had ever been true, then "BYOD" would have never existed.
That reality is long past, I'm afraid. The Consumer I.T. tail is driving the Enterprise I.T. dog in many ways, now.
There is some indication that there may finally be some pushback against it (due to all the BYOD horror-stories), but it's still an open question.
Correct, and this was another mis-step that cost them dearly this year. In fact, they may never recover from this.
It may have gotten slightly more attention in the UK but by-and-large, the average customer in a developed country either doesn't know about, or doesn't care about, Blackberry. Here in the USA, just mention it and 8 out of 10 people will immediately mock you or at the very least look at you with this incredulous, amazed "Really? That old thing??" look. I am not exaggerating this in the least.
The price was not too high either. It was in line with various other smartphones of its time. The problem is that the product was unfinished, full of bugs, lacking in apps, poorly marketed, poorly documented, and poorly supported by carriers.
That's an interesting point and not one I think I've seen mentioned much in the incessant "advertising is nonexistent" gripes.
It's not just the manufacturer, but if 90% of the resellers and 99% of the advertising square footage are primarily pushing Android/iOS devices, then those advertising impressions will blanket you and it will seem as if BlackBerry is nonexistent even if on a manufacturer vs manufacturer advertising space basis, they're still competitive.
Momentum is a beyotch.
Correct. Which is why I always get a laugh when people try to claim "If only BlackBerry had a phone with competitive specs, they'd sell like crazy...".
Apple in particular has gone to the ends of the earth to remove any kind of references in model numbers in their products and logos on them and so on, anything about their actual hardware specs. It's not an "iPad 4" it's "The NEW NEW NEW iPad".
They do those things for a very specific reason. They are continuously trying to DISTANCE their customers from "buying specs".
So no, the solution to all of BlackBerry's market problems is not to play specsmanship p*ssing wars.
All this explains why BB10 is not selling, however, it doesn't explain why BBOS is still outselling it 3 to 1. After all, BBOS gets no advertising at all and the specs are less then basic.
With some 10s of millions of active BBOS users out there does it really make sense to try to push them to the new platform if the new platform is nothing like what they're using now?
There was actually a serious SMTP sending bug, but I can't tell if the thread he created refers to it because A) he never explained anything in that thread, and B) it looks like the only person that ever read it besides him was one of his buddies.
Here is the thread I created about the SMTP sending bug back in March, and there were a variety of other threads about that and related problems.
However note well: the reason MOST people probably never ran into this was because MOST people weren't using email services that would have exposed this issue.
The most common kinds of users complaining of it were people with small businesses who had hosted their domain and email services with a company like Network Solutions, Yahoo or Go Daddy.
Here's a fun fact I never knew about Indonesia until watching the BBC coverage below: Indonesians are apparently the most avid Twitter users in the world. I wonder if this dovetails with their appreciation of BlackBerry in some way.
BBC News - #BBCtrending: What Movember means to Indonesians
While you didn't see too many people complain about it on CB at the time there were many early adopters complaining on BB's Facebook page and they all said they were forced to go back to their old BB or something else.
BB never offered any explanation or tried to help in any way. They basically ignored the issue.
I ended up back on my 9900 too.
Because it was an efficient OS. BBOS7 4ever.
Need some POW.
Everyone's entitled to have an opinion.
No one is entitled to make up their own personal facts.
Tolerance or promotion of the latter is basically the definition of insanity or reality distortion.
Now I realize that humanity has a sordid history with reality distortion, however the technological field is rather hostile to such things because among other little details, you can't build a technology product that actually functions based on silly fantasies. It requires, you know, science, to actually work.
Always entertaining to read when certain posters proclaim that the only viable path for the company is to produce precisely the low-appeal device they have personally designed, or else the company is doomed, DOOOOOMED..... :rotfl:
I think we agree on that. :D
Well isn't that interesting.
You did buy that new BB7 model (9720?) that was released this year, then had problems with it and I guess returned it then?
Yeah, I heard about that issue, it may have been a bug for OS's between around 3/2013 to 9/2013 or 10/13. I haven't heard reports of it lately.
BlackBerry has had some very serious issues with software quality this year.
Well, I don't know if a BBOS theme would be useful - especially without all the key hardware buttons / pointing device - but I do think that they could take elements from the design and incorporate them in useful ways.
Some of this was done recently, ie the "delete on handheld / delete on server" - but were poorly implemented.
Others that made NO sense at all to me include the revival of "PIN Messages". I just cannot imagine that 99% of the userbase gives the slightest rat's *ss about such a feature and would rather they invested those development resources elsewhere.
They should implement an optional virtual trackpad or at least dramatically improve their very mediocre cursor / text handling.
They should implement a useful way to save an email message locally if desired.
Etc, Etc.
Because as has been explained multiple times now:
- BB10 was a flop
- BBOS is running on pure momentum, in places not inclined to change quickly. (ie developing world, where they simply cannot afford it)
- BB10 sales were so low, it takes very little to exceed them
And that encompasses 3 of the reasons I already put forth here why BB10 flopped:
- Poor product quality
- Poor support
- Poor documentation and communication with customers
Many of which were at least significantly due to corporate downsizing and chaos.
Thorsten Heins was dealt a bad hand just like Barack Obama was. Hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
At least Heins kept enough of a lid on expenditures that the company was not completely in hock by the time a new CEO was appointed. It could have easily gone very differently, and there would have been nothing left to salvage.
Saying that there was a bit of an outcry when pin messaging wasn't included in BB10 and promptly made a comeback.
Little known fact but the Storm had a sort of virtual trackpad, more like a virtual mouse, if you held your finger on the screen a mouse mould appear just above your finger and it would move with your finger in the screen.
I did buy the 9720, it's a cheap and nasty excuse for a legacy blackberry, had less application memory then the 9700, really loud clicking keyboard, cheap plastic and it broke after 2 days. It's so underpowered that it struggles to play a photo slides how.
I returned it for a Q10 but the new data plan doesn't allow BIS services so can't go back. Shortly after I got the Q10 an iphone 5 sort of fell in my lap (free) so I'm using that now, I can't afford for more of my work emails to disappear.
I could see resigning yourself to that if you were on a lousy freebie email service but I would be shocked if your work email staff have no backups they could have restored those emails from, especially if you had notified them in a timely manner.
There is no staff, just a small business.
The emails have disappeared completely, sent and received, and they're not in the delete folder either. Just vanished, never seen anything like it. Gone from my laptop and server.
Thinking back I should've turned wifi off on the laptop and moved the emails somewhere else, too late now though.