Why does OS7 continue to outsell BB10?
- We just shifted completely to bb10. People like the new devices.
Some features are missing but bb10 gets better with every release.
We are a little company with 500 employees.Vorkosigan likes this.01-29-14 01:27 AMLike 1 - Your personal Yahoo isn't business grade and isn't meant to be. I have a Yahoo mail account that I use as my mail for purchases and it fills with Spam. I migrated for real personal email to Gmail, and added outlook.com as another option. I don't sync Yahoo with the phone because it is garbage. I still play fantasy football with the account but Yahoo only supported POP for a while unless you paid more and I found free, better options.
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Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk01-29-14 01:28 AMLike 0 - Os7 does what they require.
1) Its a better PHONE than anything else available. Note I say phone not media platform.
2) BIS saves people money who travel between borders.
3) They bought an android or I phone and thier kids nagged the hell out of them all day to play on the damned thing. Look Mummys phone cant play games.
4) Their son/daughter bought it for them to keep in touch.
5) Their mum/dad bought it for them to keep in touch, they know bbm works!
6) its for work on call purposes it needs to answer calls and perform email function and nothing more.
7) bb10 q phones are out of their budget.
8) they are self employed, do dirty work and keep their phone inside a plastic cover so touch phone does not work well for them.
9) native cloud backup inc password keeper
Do nokia not still sell more symbian phones than windows phones.
I'm moving to BB10 very soon coz it is the future. but we have to give it to Blackberry for mastering the basics.
Cheers ...01-29-14 01:30 AMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
The person I was referring-to in the comment you followed-up to was not you, it was a reference to something I said previously to someone else.
The person I was referring-to (who happens to be the person who started this thread) is a big proponent of POP email, and THAT is what I was discussing when I was discussing "modernity".
Neither was I the person who accused you of refusing to "buy a more modern business grade email solution".
Though I do think your criticism is misplaced, to put as much of a drippingly sweet candy-coating on that as possible.
And while I would agree that you seem to be paying more for a "brand" hosting service than might be possible with a "no-name" provider, I also think (as stated previously with examples) that A) you are paying too much for that service, and B) you didn't do your homework very well because your provider's services are not particularly competitive with other email hosting providers.
Not that that is particularly surprising - 1&1 is primarily a web hosting company, not an email hosting company.01-29-14 02:33 AMLike 0 - The person I was referring-to in the comment you followed-up to was not you, it was a reference to something I said previously to someone else.
The person I was referring-to (who happens to be the person who started this thread) is a big proponent of POP email, and THAT is what I was discussing when I was discussing "modernity".
Neither was I the person who accused you of refusing to "buy a more modern business grade email solution".
Though I do think your criticism is misplaced, to put as much of a drippingly sweet candy-coating on that as possible.
And while I would agree that you seem to be paying more for a "brand" hosting service than might be possible with a "no-name" provider, I also think (as stated previously with examples) that A) you are paying too much for that service, and B) you didn't do your homework very well because your provider's services are not particularly competitive with other email hosting providers.
Not that that is particularly surprising - 1&1 is primarily a web hosting company, not an email hosting company.
1and1 has been 100% reliable and I do host websites and corresponding email addresses with them, it would be foolish to buy them from separate providers.
1and1 is not the problem, BB10 is.
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Did more people go for qwerty or touch? What was the distribution of devices?
TechCraze C0008DDD101-29-14 03:10 AMLike 0 - On the other hand it hasn't skipped a beat since 2008, not even one outage. (Famous last words I know)
1and1 has been 100% reliable and I do host websites and corresponding email addresses with them, it would be foolish to buy them from separate providers.
1and1 is not the problem, BB10 is.
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And as for IMAP IDLE and business grade, it may have been back in the 2000s but their are reasons why everyone is switching to EAS. It provides a much better email experience to all devices, not just phones. And since most phones don't use BIS....
Posted via CB1001-29-14 05:01 AMLike 0 - Yes and I believe you said in one of the many other threads where you have complained about the exact same thing that they have an EAS option, you just won't pay extra for it.
And as for IMAP IDLE and business grade, it may have been back in the 2000s but their are reasons why everyone is switching to EAS. It provides a much better email experience to all devices, not just phones. And since most phones don't use BIS....
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And I'm pretty sure imap idle was not the norm in 2000s.
Also, most phones don't use BIS but most BlackBerry phones do use BIS. Reflect in that for a minute.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk01-29-14 05:16 AMLike 0 - Sorry but why should I pay �9.99 per month extra per email account just to make up for BB10 deficiencies?
And I'm pretty sure imap idle was not the norm in 2000s.
Also, most phones don't use BIS but most BlackBerry phones do use BIS. Reflect in that for a minute.
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Posted via CB1001-29-14 05:24 AMLike 0 -
And I'm pretty sure EAS is not more battery efficient then BiS or easier to configure.
BIS also has additional features like filters and read receipts.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk01-29-14 06:09 AMLike 0 - Yes there are more BBOS phones than BB10. But there are hundreds of Millions, maybe over a Billion more smartphones out there that don't support BIS. The Market, and even BlackBerry decided that BIS wasn't important enough to stick with it. Their major business customers obviously told them EAS and VPN was good enough. If it were such a major selling point BBOS sales wouldn't have hit a wall, BYOD wouldn't have gained traction. Reflect on that a little.
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For consumers BB10 literally has no USP.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk01-29-14 06:11 AMLike 0 - Which brings us back to the topic, BBOS devices outsell BB10 by a big margins, BB10 removed what was a big differentiator. By doing that every other platform became an option to potential users.
For consumers BB10 literally has no USP.
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I think the biggest single factor was price, and im confident that if they do release figures, they will show Z10 sales have picked up after the price drop..
Your needs are quite niche, being able to get a blackberry cheap was/is one of the biggest driving factors, especially for people who change their phones a lot, the security and email etc is just a bonus..
Blackberry didn't advertise blackberry10 in the right way/at the right time and missing legacy features is more to do with user expectation vs reality than the actual features..
What's done is done, there's only so much the development team can do in terms of making bb10 like legacy.. advertising =sales, if/Chen pulls the guns out (although it seems his method is more about micro advertising (specific targeted rather than all round)) especially at the Jakarta launch then bb10 sales will pick up..
TechCraze C0008DDD101-29-14 06:35 AMLike 0 - 'By a large margin ' where do you get that from?
I think the biggest single factor was price, and im confident that if they do release figures, they will show Z10 sales have picked up after the price drop..
Your needs are quite niche, being able to get a blackberry cheap was/is one of the biggest driving factors, especially for people who change their phones a lot, the security and email etc is just a bonus..
Blackberry didn't advertise blackberry10 in the right way/at the right time and missing legacy features is more to do with user expectation vs reality than the actual features..
What's done is done, there's only so much the development team can do in terms of making bb10 like legacy.. advertising =sales, if/Chen pulls the guns out (although it seems his method is more about micro advertising (specific targeted rather than all round)) especially at the Jakarta launch then bb10 sales will pick up..
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Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk01-29-14 06:42 AMLike 0 - Because for some people the OS7 phones are more reliable. The data are compressed by the blackberry internet service, they won't worry about receiving a long phone bill or their data plan stopped by the carrier. And they never worry about lose their phones. OS7 phones are totally unusable if the SIM card pulled out of it.01-29-14 09:32 AMLike 0
- The sales of BBOS devices are slowing down. If it were an Airplane , the flight attendants would be going down the aisle picking up garbage in preparation for landing. A bad quarter for BB10 does not equate to a good quarter for BBOS.01-29-14 09:33 AMLike 3
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Wait what? BB10 never outsold BBOS yet, it's the other way around.
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Posted via CB1001-29-14 10:09 AMLike 3 - Which brings us back to the topic, BBOS devices outsell BB10 by a big margins, BB10 removed what was a big differentiator. By doing that every other platform became an option to potential users.
For consumers BB10 literally has no USP.
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