Why does OS7 continue to outsell BB10?
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- Still lousy web browser. This is not an entertainment thing for me, a web browser is part of my I.T. work, if it's garbage, I can't do work from a smartphone. (The latency added by BIS was a major factor here, which is why it came as no surprise to me that BIS was dropped in BB10. If not, the web browser performance would have remained a laughingstock of the industry)
IMO, it would be a simple option in the browser settings: "Route web traffic through BIS" "Yes/No"
Just because BIS compression was forced on you in the past does not mean it would have to be in the future.
It's your opinion that BIS email was inferior to other forms of email. It's my opinion that, for certain users and usage scenarios, you're wrong.Davidro1 and bobauckland like this.12-25-13 02:49 PMLike 2 -
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I did have need for speed but I can't remember if it acted the same.12-25-13 04:05 PMLike 0 - Wait what? You haven't owned a OS7 device? Then sorry my friend, you don't know what you're talking about, many things were improved including a simultaneous direct carrier connection and BIS, improved BIS attachment limits to the point I very rarely saw a truncated email, NFC, wifi hotspot, not all os7 devices had the fixed focus camera, only the 9900 did.
Gaming was much improved too, playing need for speed without a glitch.
Wikitude was also pretty cool in action.
I still maintain the time to switch the phones to the new QNX based platform was early 2011, when PlayBook splatted on to the scene. Stupidly RIM did everything the wrong way around and instead released the tablet first with no pre-built up app ecosystem to make it an attractive proposition (in addition to a few other flaws at launch). Like every other mobile OS pusher it should have been the phones first that don't rely entirely on an app ecosystem to be useful, let the ecosystem build up, THEN make the tablets that purely rely on that ecosystem. Doh.
It was pushed to its limit. The biggest two problems were the app memory limitation and the lack of protected memory for tasks (one hung or bombed out task takes down the whole OS).
To fix those you would have to fundamentally redesign the OS kernel, you couldn't retrofit a sticky plaster for those two. Once you change the design of the kernel the software written for the previous design no longer works. It would mean starting from scratch with an empty BlackBerry World all over again. Once you're in that situation you may as well start from a clean slate and use something off the shelf instead of proprietary that developers can hit the ground running with and is better than what you had in all areas; enter QNX.
QNX is fine for a mobile OS kernel. All of the things you see as problems in BB10 are the things BlackBerry have coded to run on QNX. They haven't done everything right, there is one big glaring design flaw in that they haven't implemented a virtual memory or hybrid app suspension system meaning devices need more RAM than their competitors to do similar things.
Hence the 2GB RAM minimum for BB10 devices meaning no low end BB10 phone for over a year after the launch of the Z10 (if the Jakarta phone ever materialises) and no BB10 for PlayBook. Oops.
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12-25-13 05:12 PMLike 2 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersMaybe because all The Touchscreen boosters declared the keyboard, home row and trackpad dead before its time. Are the OS7 devices really that much cheaper than the Z10 at this time?
A lot of BB users needed reliable devices and not the flash of a new OS. Maybe also for the same reason people don't abandon Apple or Android, they don't abandon "traditional" BB devices - investments in apps and in learning. BB10 is competing not only with the two A's but the double BB's.
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Ubuntu phone, hahaha, no licence cost. My wife is a Linux nut, and I nuked a Nexus 4 and put Ubuntu developer version on for her. She loves it. Not feature complete yet, but full access to the Debian/Ubuntu package system via apt-get is a geek's wet dream come true for her.
Dual-boot with Android is in the making, as well as pluggable desktop version, so Android in the pocket, Full Ubuntu desktop when plugged in to USB/HDMI. Mutual file access is a given.
My name is Prem, I'm using BBM ... from my QuZe10 ...whatarhyme...12-25-13 05:23 PMLike 0 - Only half kidding:
Ubuntu phone, hahaha, no licence cost. My wife is a Linux nut, and I nuked a Nexus 4 and put Ubuntu developer version on for her. She loves it. Not feature complete yet, but full access to the Debian/Ubuntu package system via apt-get is a geek's wet dream come true for her.
Dual-boot with Android is in the making, as well as pluggable desktop version, so Android in the pocket, Full Ubuntu desktop when plugged in to USB/HDMI. Mutual file access is a given.
My name is Prem, I'm using BBM ... from my QuZe10 ...whatarhyme...
Posted via CB10 on Z10 STL100-2 on EE, UK - Activated on BES10.212-25-13 05:47 PMLike 0 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersRidiculous coverage, mate, even Australia seems better. Vodafone is garbage here, Optus ok, Telstra pretty good. Surprised sometimes where I get 3G. Out in the bush...
3G 850Mhz has a longer range, and when they introduced it, a lot of 2G areas got overshadowed and subsequently became obsolete for 3G handset users...
My name is Prem, I'm using BBM ... from my QuZe10 ...whatarhyme...12-25-13 07:59 PMLike 0 - Prem WatsAppCrackBerry Jester of JestersRidiculous coverage, mate, even Australia seems better. Vodafone is garbage here, Optus ok, Telstra pretty good. Surprised sometimes where I get 3G. Out in the bush...
3G 850Mhz has a longer range, and when they introduced it, a lot of 2G areas got overshadowed and subsequently became obsolete for 3G handset users...
My name is Prem, I'm using BBM ... from my QuZe10 ...whatarhyme...
My name is Prem, I'm using BBM ... from my QuZe10 ...whatarhyme...12-25-13 08:02 PMLike 0 - I've switched to bb10 and then back to my 9900.
I use my phone for work - email, tasks, calendar. I have so many projects and tasks and I use the phone as an organizing aid.
For this - there is nothing to match OS7. The amount of finger movement you have to do to make things happen with the bold is 10% of what you have to do with your fingers on the touchscreen of the Z10. This is due to the genius piece of hardware called track-pad. Multi tasking is easier too using the BB menu button.
Blackberry used to be the device for the professional. Its all about productivity. Not about unnecessary and time consuming apps. When blackberry moved to BB10, It actually changed its target market from the professional user to the media/apps/waste of time user. However, in this new market I dont think they have an advantage over iOS or Android.12-26-13 09:20 AMLike 3 - I've switched to bb10 and then back to my 9900.
I use my phone for work - email, tasks, calendar. I have so many projects and tasks and I use the phone as an organizing aid.
For this - there is nothing to match OS7. The amount of finger movement you have to do to make things happen with the bold is 10% of what you have to do with your fingers on the touchscreen of the Z10. This is due to the genius piece of hardware called track-pad. Multi tasking is easier too using the BB menu button.
Blackberry used to be the device for the professional. Its all about productivity. Not about unnecessary and time consuming apps. When blackberry moved to BB10, It actually changed its target market from the professional user to the media/apps/waste of time user. However, in this new market I dont think they have an advantage over iOS or Android.12-26-13 09:47 AMLike 0 - 12-26-13 04:56 PMLike 0
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A more apt comparison would be how does a competitor's phone from the same year run 3D games. Say a Bold 9930 vs a Galaxy S2 vs an iPhone 4S, all roughly equal on hardware specs give or take a core. I think you'll find that the peers of BBOS phones absolutely blow them away for 3D game performance and that inadequacy can be laid squarely at the feet of BBOS not the hardware.
Posted via CB10 on Z10 STL100-2 on EE, UK - Activated on BES10.212-26-13 06:03 PMLike 0 - OS7 would be just as ghastly and actually very wasteful on BB10 hardware as it is incapable of making use of multiple CPU cores (another big reason why it had come to the end of its useful life). Again change that and you break all previous software.
A more apt comparison would be how does a competitor's phone from the same year run 3D games. Say a Bold 9930 vs a Galaxy S2 vs an iPhone 4S, all roughly equal on hardware specs give or take a core. I think you'll find that the peers of BBOS phones absolutely blow them away for 3D game performance and that inadequacy can be laid squarely at the feet of BBOS not the hardware.
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It's too late for BBOS now anyway, the employees are all fired and too long has passed without any real effort put into it.12-26-13 06:14 PMLike 0 -
If BlackBerry had done what I think they should have and released a QNX based next generation phone OS and hardware line in 2011 then it would have had to run well on specs like a 1.2ghz processor, maybe even single core, and 1GB of RAM. It may have had to have been more limited in features compared to the BB10 we know, such as no Hub, or perhaps not if they'd implemented virtual memory or an iOS style hybrid.
The problem with BBOS was that it got too much focus at BlackBerry for too long. OS7 and that generation of phones should never have seen the light of day. The underwhelming OS6 should have been where it ended and where QNX should have taken over.
BlackBerry's collapse in to its near death spiral happened when BBOS phones were the only phones you could buy.
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