Why do so many on CrackBerry think Android is a bad OS?
- UziRetired ModeratorMore productive play youtube in the background, tools not toys!DrBoomBotz likes this.12-15-16 12:38 AMLike 1
- Every bank looks at their own customer base and makes platform decisions accordingly. Some of us don't have many customers at all who use the Amazon app store.
Some things for which Google play services are used are messaging infrastructure, better location services, app integrity validation.
As you say, it is a trade off. You lose some customers when you commit to GPS. For us, this is a tiny number of affected customers and those customers can use our mobile web site instead. Natwest may have different numbers in their population.
Offer the APK on your website just like the Mozilla foundation does, with all the caveats.12-15-16 02:09 AMLike 0 - So let's say that all the banks use GPS to find locations of branches and cash machines. That's fine. But I'm happy to use the app just to check my transactions and do payments. Why therefore deny me all use of the app whatsoever just because you can't hook into Google's GPS, which is a feature I can live without anyway?
Offer the APK on your website just like the Mozilla foundation does, with all the caveats.
Location, btw, is sometimes used (in a double blind test) as a factor in multi factor authentication or the approval of high value transactions. So it's not just about finding ATM's.
The answer to your question is that if you take all those things away, you might as well just use the mobile website (from a risk or feature perspective). It doesn't make sense to make, test, and validate a different build of the app just for the tiny number of people who don't want to use the website, but also don't have access to GPS. For us, you're talking about less than 0.1% of our users worldwide.Uzi and Elephant_Canyon like this.12-15-16 08:16 AMLike 2 -
- So let's say that all the banks use GPS to find locations of branches and cash machines. That's fine. But I'm happy to use the app just to check my transactions and do payments. Why therefore deny me all use of the app whatsoever just because you can't hook into Google's GPS, which is a feature I can live without anyway?
Offer the APK on your website just like the Mozilla foundation does, with all the caveats.app_Developer likes this.12-15-16 10:15 AMLike 1 -
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No offense just curious.12-15-16 10:29 AMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
The BlackBerry name is toxic for a large subset of buyers.12-15-16 10:56 AMLike 0 - of course the company will never say this officially. They say it unofficially by not supporting the platform. But it is not due rudeness or laziness, it's just a pure numbers game. We actually put a lot of effort into our iOS and Android apps. When we had the app on both Google Play and the Amazon store, over 99% of the downloads came from Google Play.TgeekB likes this.12-15-16 12:38 PMLike 1
- Overall, Android is not bad. A lot of good things like OS customizations and tight integration amongst the OS and Google Services (like them or hate them).
The part I miss the most from BB10 is the gesture driven interface. I find it a lot more fluid then constantly having to hit buttons. BB10 is also very user friendly when mounted in the car while driving, again due to the gestures. Standalone Android auto should ease this.
I had to send my DTEK in for warranty work this week, and I had to go back to my Z30. I can definitely feel a difference between the two devices. BB10 is becoming very antiquated. BB has put no time or money into evolving it and it definitely shows. Not that I was ever expecting them to.12-15-16 03:29 PMLike 0 - of course the company will never say this officially. They say it unofficially by not supporting the platform. But it is not due rudeness or laziness, it's just a pure numbers game. We actually put a lot of effort into our iOS and Android apps. When we had the app on both Google Play and the Amazon store, over 99% of the downloads came from Google Play.
Percentages don't always tell the whole story. If it's a huge company with hundreds of millions of downloads, 1% can represent several million customers, and I doubt that the effort to port an APK into Amazon's appstore needs so much effort that it's not worth doing for millions (or even hundreds of thousands) of potential customers.12-16-16 07:26 AMLike 0 - Percentages don't always tell the whole story. If it's a huge company with hundreds of millions of downloads, 1% can represent several million customers, and I doubt that the effort to port an APK into Amazon's appstore needs so much effort that it's not worth doing for millions (or even hundreds of thousands) of potential customers.
We don't make decisions to stop supporting platforms out of the blue. We have internal numbers that, besides downloads, tell us users on what platforms actually use our apps and how much. Based on these numbers (and much more) decisions are made. The Amazon app store is not that popular because everyone in the western markets (where we do most of our business) is using Android with Google Play.12-16-16 07:43 AMLike 0 - Personally, I don't care for Android. Does that make it a bad OS? Absolutely not. I find BlackBerry 10 much better from personal experience. I don't need a lot of apps, the browser on my Classic handles everything I need (mostly Facebook and Reddit) just fine. The battery life is amazing, which I can't say about the Android phone I had, or my Android tablet.
Android is a great mobile platform, it's just not for me.
Posted via CB10berrydroid likes this.12-16-16 07:55 AMLike 1 -
The mobile sites? Sure.
All of the big name apps are on Amazon. Its market share is growing and Amazon tablets outsell Android ones in the UK.
If you want to lose out on potential business, that's your choice. Not one I would recommend though.12-16-16 08:05 AMLike 0 -
Still being reliant the Amazon app-store for BB10 will not last much longer. At some point the minimum requirement Android OS version will increase past 4.3 on which the runtime is based on. Based on Google Android statistics, around 87% of active devices are on 4.4+ and that number can only increase (I estimate in about 1 year that number will reach 90% and in 2 years over 95%).12-16-16 08:12 AMLike 0 - Maybe other developers see other numbers for the Amazon Appstore. Ours were very low.
Still being reliant the Amazon app-store for BB10 will not last much longer. At some point the minimum requirement Android OS version will increase past 4.3 on which the runtime is based on. Based on Google Android statistics, around 87% of active devices are on 4.4+ and that number can only increase (I estimate in about 1 year that number will reach 90% and in 2 years over 95%).
Yes, BB10's Android won't last much longer.
However I'm still using Amazon Underground on Google-Android devices and will continue to do so (have to in order to use Amazon Prime Video, for example), and it offers free versions of certain apps and games. A lot of Google-Android users will be doing the same as Prime Video is quite popular.
I've also used it to obtain older versions of apps when newer versions from Google Play caused issues and I had no way to roll back to the previous version. So Amazon's appstore will stay relevant long after BB10's runtime dies.
And Amazon are flogging millions of cheap Fire tablets, the sales are increasing right now by something like 5000% compared to a year or two ago.12-16-16 08:47 AMLike 0 - Incorrect. "Some of the big name/top devs are on Amazon" is the correct statement.TgeekB and app_Developer like this.12-16-16 09:11 AMLike 2
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- all bb10 phone are old. the last is PP? pick any except 1st gen of z10,you got the "experience"... if you pick up 9860, you got pre-z10 experience ;-) of OS7.12-16-16 12:22 PMLike 0
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Posted via CB1012-16-16 12:51 PMLike 0 - I remember myself salivating for the Torch line back in the Day, later I bought the Z10 in a heartbeat via Amazon in 430 dollars, good days to be honest, and even then these good days still are there with My Z and Q, and for Android, is a necesary sin My friend, BlackBerry 10 failed, and when you fail you have to get up and keep the fighting with other ways, you can't fight back with a method that nearly killed you 3 years ago, and BlackBerry Android isn't that bad, for the contrary is good and I expect them to deliver a near "BlackBerry 10 experience" on Nougat, I Will quietly wait for Nougat to come for the Priv, and when it comes (probably june) the priv Will be at a price that no one can reject, and I expect them to success with the DTEK line, they have taken too much damage, that they, after 3 painful years, stil make phones is something that everyone here should be proud about
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