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  1. kjpeigan's Avatar
    Died?? Mine is working pretty darn good at the moment :-)

    Posted via CB10
    07-10-16 01:42 PM
  2. app_Developer's Avatar
    Died?? Mine is working pretty darn good at the moment :-)
    So that Apple ProDOS is an alive and viable platform, then? So is WebOS?
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    07-10-16 02:40 PM
  3. thurask's Avatar
    So that Apple ProDOS is an alive and viable platform, then? So is WebOS?
    There's probably a COBOL system in the bowels of some bank that's still perfectly good.
    07-10-16 06:06 PM
  4. app_Developer's Avatar
    There's probably a COBOL system in the bowels of some bank that's still perfectly good.
    Oh, there are many of those! Believe me, your credit and debit cards wouldn't work without them.
    Ronindan and bodjor like this.
    07-10-16 06:20 PM
  5. tabish4u's Avatar
    Oh, there are many of those! Believe me, your credit and debit cards wouldn't work without them.
    unless u change ur bank eventually.
    07-10-16 06:30 PM
  6. TgeekB's Avatar
    Died?? Mine is working pretty darn good at the moment :-)

    Posted via CB10
    The platform has died. Your device has not.
    07-10-16 07:32 PM
  7. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    The platform has died. Your device has not.
    LOLOLOLOL. Sad but true.

    Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android
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    07-10-16 08:14 PM
  8. sorinv's Avatar
    LOL

    Google is worth more than Apple again - May. 12, 2016

    IIRC, Google outsources its hardware to others and the Nexus line seems to sell just fine. Google is doing what BlackBerry has started to do, but Google has greater success.

    John Chen would sell his own mother to achieve the "failure" that you ascribe to Google. And MikeL's failure to respond to the iPhone, when Google responded near-instantly, is a matter of historical record that is well-documented in the book "losing the signal".
    Google has bought the Motorola hardware division and sold it at a loss later because they lost money on hardware.

    Google has failed with its own hardware: the Google eye.

    Google has bought Boston Dynamics (military robots) and has lost money on it and now wants to sell it.

    https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Google-...oston-Dynamics

    The Nexus devices are not designed by Google and represent less than 2% of all android phones being sold.

    Google is only making money from the search engine, collecting your data to figure out which adds to send to your devices and charging the add sellers for it.

    So, yes, Google has failed at everything hardware.

    The fact that it surpassed Apple from its search engine add sales does not mean that Google makes profitable hardware.

    They make money from the search engine developed by Sergey Brin when he was a graduate student at Stanford in the late 1990's. The rest of their software products developed since the search engine are given away "for free" to get more people hooked to their "free" services (not hardware) in return for their data.
    Last edited by sorinv; 07-18-16 at 07:47 AM.
    07-18-16 07:22 AM
  9. johnny_bravo72's Avatar
    Google has bought the Motorola hardware division and sold it at a loss later because they lost money on hardware.

    Google has failed with its own hardware: the Google eye.

    Google has bought Boston Dynamics (military robots) and has lost money on it and has now sold it.

    The Nexus devices are not designed by Google and represent less than 2% of all android phones being sold.

    Google is only making money from the search engine, collecting your data to figure out which adds to send to your devices and charging the add sellers for it.

    So, yes, Google has failed at everything hardware.

    The fact that it surpassed Apple from its search engine add sales does not mean that Google makes profitable hardware.

    They make money from the search engine developed by Sergey Brin when he was a graduate student at Stanford in the late 1990's. The rest of their software products developed since the search engine are given away "for free" to get more people hooked to their "free" services (not hardware) in return for their data.
    That's weird. Forbes says Google profited $3 Billion from it.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbapt.../#81cdf4cc25f8

    *A3-A20
    07-18-16 07:43 AM
  10. sorinv's Avatar
    No, it didn't. It sold it at a loss.
    If it had been so profitable they would have kept the hardware division.
    Motorola was losing money of smartphones before and during their acquisition by google.
    07-18-16 07:49 AM
  11. tabish4u's Avatar
    No, it didn't. It sold it at a loss.
    If it had been so profitable they would have kept the hardware division.
    Motorola was losing money of smartphones before and during their acquisition by google.
    Its very true, i will rather say motorola was an iconic company but probably google dont want or say wish to be part of harware, capabilities can also be a concern. they never pushed hardware division actually, maybe coz of oem pissed about it(start of tizen) or other things, eventually google sold motorola and since lenovo took them they start to grow.
    check their modular phones.
    moto g is a big hit in emerging markets too.
    maybe prior management was not interested in hardware division but maybe new ceo is interested.
    07-18-16 08:31 AM
  12. TGR1's Avatar
    LOL

    Google is worth more than Apple again - May. 12, 2016

    IIRC, Google outsources its hardware to others and the Nexus line seems to sell just fine. Google is doing what BlackBerry has started to do, but Google has greater success.

    John Chen would sell his own mother to achieve the "failure" that you ascribe to Google. And MikeL's failure to respond to the iPhone, when Google responded near-instantly, is a matter of historical record that is well-documented in the book "losing the signal".
    Stock valuation is not an entirely accurate measure of a company's health or success. Google isn't in trouble right now by any means but I do agree with sorinv that they have had a few highly visible hardware setbacks. They seem IMO to have difficulty managing these areas (see Nest) and customer services, areas that they would like to have as an integrated company but which are outside their core competencies. Of course, they do have tremendous strengths that fund the revenue stream to buy them time to get it right. It will be interesting to see if they can do it. One thing Google has never experienced since they achieved success, unlike BBRY or Apple, is a situation that threatens the existence of the company. A company can be broken by it but may also come out better afterwards.
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    07-18-16 08:35 AM
  13. tabish4u's Avatar
    All things short, google is a software, data ming best company right now and apple is pioneer in harware and make them work good with a good software.
    blackberry is pioneer in security in mobility. that's it
    07-18-16 08:36 AM
  14. tabish4u's Avatar
    Microsoft has outlook exchange SharePoint windows and servers office etc to have constant revenues.
    Google has add search engine for data mining and revenues. don't forget Google maps and YouTube for advertisements.
    apple has iPhone iPad Mac and money from apps and advertisements.
    so basically who all companies standing in mobility has alternate channels of revenue going on.
    07-18-16 08:42 AM
  15. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    All things short, google is a software, data ming best company right now and apple is pioneer in harware and make them work good with a good software.
    blackberry is pioneer in security in mobility. that's it
    Blackberry was a pioneer in a mobile communication device. They stumbled into that label by accident. Security was only a result of building out the system than by actual design initially. Even in the security arena, previous management fell behind in the EMM/MDM space. When Chen was hired it was more about rescuing and saving this part of the company and growing it again with actual strategy. The very mismanagement on the hardware side also happened on the software part of the company. When people talk about success of Alphabet/ Google, it started when the founders hired successful professional executives to run the company and take up to next level.

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    07-18-16 09:04 AM
  16. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Google has bought the Motorola hardware division and sold it at a loss later because they lost money on hardware.
    Obviously you have no idea WHY Google bought Moto Mobility. It had zero to do with wanting to be a hardware manufacturer - Google wanted Moto's patents to help defend Android as a whole against Apple and a few others. Google actually improved Moto's hardware business significantly, but it continued to drop for a while after the acquisition because Google had to finish building all of the pre-Google devices that Moto had committed to (such deals are normally made 18-24 months before a device actually ships).

    But, again, Google had no plans to stay in the hardware business from the very beginning, and didn't want to be competing heavily against their other OEMs - they just needed a big, important stable of patents because they were being sued by Apple over stupid features - including several that Apple didn't invent. Buying Moto gave them access to the biggest set of mobile patents and helped them defend Samsung and HTC (and thus, all of Android) against Apple.

    If you look at what Google initially paid, the parts they sold off, and the book value of the patents they got, they came out ahead, and that was before you factor in what a loss to Apple might have ultimately cost. That's just how big business works.
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    07-18-16 10:23 AM
  17. BerrySoul's Avatar
    But BB10 is awesome! BBM is awesome. I dont need nothing else!

    Posted via CB10
    07-18-16 01:14 PM
  18. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    But BB10 is awesome! BBM is awesome. I dont need nothing else!

    Posted via CB10
    I can hear you starting to crack.
    When you give up on BB10 its really over.
    Keep a stiff upper lip man!
    Last edited by DrBoomBotz; 07-18-16 at 01:41 PM.
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    07-18-16 01:21 PM
  19. early2bed's Avatar
    BlackBerry 10 died because of this...

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    07-18-16 01:26 PM
  20. MikeX74's Avatar
    BlackBerry 10 died because of this...

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    BB10 "died" because by the time it was launched, consumers and developers had for the most part moved on, but sure, let's blame the cute little electric mouse.
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    07-18-16 02:34 PM
  21. sorinv's Avatar
    Obviously you have no idea WHY Google bought Moto Mobility. It had zero to do with wanting to be a hardware manufacturer - Google wanted Moto's patents to help defend Android as a whole against Apple and a few others. Google actually improved Moto's hardware business significantly, but it continued to drop for a while after the acquisition because Google had to finish building all of the pre-Google devices that Moto had committed to (such deals are normally made 18-24 months before a device actually ships).

    But, again, Google had no plans to stay in the hardware business from the very beginning, and didn't want to be competing heavily against their other OEMs - they just needed a big, important stable of patents because they were being sued by Apple over stupid features - including several that Apple didn't invent. Buying Moto gave them access to the biggest set of mobile patents and helped them defend Samsung and HTC (and thus, all of Android) against Apple.

    If you look at what Google initially paid, the parts they sold off, and the book value of the patents they got, they came out ahead, and that was before you factor in what a loss to Apple might have ultimately cost. That's just how big business works.
    It's a nice spin. Google also partnered to buy Nortel's patents.
    I suppose you also think they baought nest and failed, they bought Boston dynamics and failed, just to acquire their patents.

    What a out the failure of Google eye?

    No matter how you spin it, Google has failed REPEATEDLY at making any successful hardware product.
    07-18-16 03:36 PM
  22. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    It's a nice spin. Google also partnered to buy Nortel's patents.
    It isn't spin - it was obviously their plan - to spend a few billion one-time to protect tens of billions of annual profit.

    I suppose you also think they baought nest and failed, they bought Boston dynamics and failed, just to acquire their patents.

    What a out the failure of Google eye?

    No matter how you spin it, Google has failed REPEATEDLY at making any successful hardware product.
    Oh, no doubt Google has had many failed projects. In years past, that was done intentionally - to take lots of risks knowing that many would fail, and a few would succeed. Larry Page has recently decided to reduce those risks somewhat, and to put most of the riskier ventures into their own business unit.

    It's not that Google wanted projects to fail, it's just that they weren't afraid of some failures in the process of learning things and pushing boundaries. Their overall success gives them the freedom to take such risks and have failures without risking the health of the entire company over it.

    As for Nest, it seems it was mis-managed over the last couple of years, but it still exists and still makes a profit, so it's hardly a failure. They just announced a new product line.

    But Google has also succeeded with hardware in a couple of places. The most obvious would be the ChromeCast, which has been hugely successful and, like old BBOS phones, helps ensure a continuing stream of income. The second would be the ChromeBook. Though most aren't manufactured by Google themselves, Google definitely created the product line and they've been hugely successful. For example, a couple of years ago, they represented 3% of devices used in education. This year that number was over 50%, and significantly higher than the former leader, the iPad.

    No doubt they've had failures, and no doubt they've made mistakes, but Google is very good about learning from its mistakes and getting better each time - the sign of a successful company. BB would love to have Google's track record, I assure you.
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    07-18-16 03:55 PM
  23. TgeekB's Avatar
    It isn't spin - it was obviously their plan - to spend a few billion one-time to protect tens of billions of annual profit.



    Oh, no doubt Google has had many failed projects. In years past, that was done intentionally - to take lots of risks knowing that many would fail, and a few would succeed. Larry Page has recently decided to reduce those risks somewhat, and to put most of the riskier ventures into their own business unit.

    It's not that Google wanted projects to fail, it's just that they weren't afraid of some failures in the process of learning things and pushing boundaries. Their overall success gives them the freedom to take such risks and have failures without risking the health of the entire company over it.

    As for Nest, it seems it was mis-managed over the last couple of years, but it still exists and still makes a profit, so it's hardly a failure. They just announced a new product line.

    But Google has also succeeded with hardware in a couple of places. The most obvious would be the ChromeCast, which has been hugely successful and, like old BBOS phones, helps ensure a continuing stream of income. The second would be the ChromeBook. Though most aren't manufactured by Google themselves, Google definitely created the product line and they've been hugely successful. For example, a couple of years ago, they represented 3% of devices used in education. This year that number was over 50%, and significantly higher than the former leader, the iPad.

    No doubt they've had failures, and no doubt they've made mistakes, but Google is very good about learning from its mistakes and getting better each time - the sign of a successful company. BB would love to have Google's track record, I assure you.
    Troy, I really enjoy reading your posts. You add substance to the conversations.

    I'm no fan of Google, but you have to admit they're not afraid to lose sometimes to win overall.
    07-18-16 04:05 PM
  24. tabish4u's Avatar
    Havent used priv yet but if i just talk about feel, blackberry passport is the best device made from the iconic company, maybe we can see the same kind design in future offerings in bb android.
    07-22-16 02:55 PM
  25. Velocitymj's Avatar
    For some reason I was left with the impression that BlackBerry is ditching the pkb after they announced the end of the Classic.
    Ironic, because when Chen first took over, took a census and concluded that BlackBerry users most associated the tool belt with BlackBerry.

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    07-26-16 11:50 PM
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