Why BB10 Will likely fail, and what RIM can do.
- I am sorry for RIM, I hope it works out for them. The deal breaker for me was simply the lack of features in Adobe Reader on the Playbook. That's it.
I work with very large PDF files and I need to be able to search, bookmark and other essentials, instead RIM emphasized games. They this is a business tablet but I could not use it for business.
I was a loyal bb user, I purchased 2 playbooks for my kids. They liked it but had to switch to iPads. Good luck RIM, it's the small things that matters not gaming.
"From my experience, the PDF reader is much improved from the Playbook version. The Print-to-Go app runs smoother and seems more fully featured on BlackBerry 10 than it does on the PlayBook."
i dunno if that will include all the features u want but it seems to be getting better.. just thought i'd share ; >11-08-12 12:00 PMLike 4 - This I agree with entirely, people will then start to care but that's also when all the major manufacturers (and 3rd parties involved) start to pay attention and try to make sure their customers are secure, not just RIM. To assume that 80 million people bought a blackberry because of its security is Naive, its discounts those that are issued a BB, those in emerging markets that bought it because it was the cheapest option and those that want it merely for BBM. If security was the deciding factor RIMs market share wouldn't have slipped as badly as it has. Yes, there are a percentage of users that stick to the BB because of its security but I doubt many of them are your average consumer and I would wager it was a fairly low percentage. Thankfully they have that option.11-08-12 12:07 PMLike 0
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NO ONE CARES ABOUT SECURITY!
The market numbers have proven that security is not a selling point for the majority of buyers. They just don't care. Security will not help RIM gain market share. Sorry, it is what it is. It just doesn't matter except to a handful of people. Apps and Eco-system matter, if RIM can nail that they're in with a chance. Without that they'll be a minor player.
Sent from my 4s using TapaTalk11-08-12 12:17 PMLike 7 - I agree. If people start really getting into using this technology, you betcha they'll start paying more attention to security besides the current measures already being taken.11-08-12 12:21 PMLike 5
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- Once people are able to pay for things online with their PCs, I am sure that PC security will become an important factor for general consumers.11-08-12 01:54 PMLike 3
- I would beg to differ & think it would be fairly easy for RIM to compete...
...All they need to do is insure they have the popular APPS the majority of people want that are on the other devices.
...That means Skype and Netflix.
People are fickle - I can remember when everyone was gaga over myspace....
...Smething better came along and the individuals investment in MS didn't matter.
..."TIME" is a person's biggest asset & I believe RIM will come loaded for bear, this time.
Now, if they don't have Netflix and Skype it will all be for nothing.......
...It will only confirm to the masses that they got involved too late and missed the boat.Dapper37 likes this.11-08-12 02:02 PMLike 1 - Well my feeling is that BB10 will not only survive but be a major player not only in the handheld device area but also in automotive intergration. I believe that RIM have already done this in producing BB10.11-08-12 02:07 PMLike 2
- I knew it was all rubbish from the second I read "And that's how most other buyers feel, I reckon", but I read the rest anyway.
All of that just to shill for a BB-Android hybrid? No thank you.11-08-12 02:23 PMLike 0 - I would beg to differ & think it would be fairly easy for RIM to compete...
...All they need to do is insure they have the popular APPS the majority of people want that are on the other devices.
...That means Skype and Netflix.
People are fickle - I can remember when everyone was gaga over myspace....
...Smething better came along and the individuals investment in MS didn't matter.
..."TIME" is a person's biggest asset & I believe RIM will come loaded for bear, this time.
Now, if they don't have Netflix and Skype it will all be for nothing.......
...It will only confirm to the masses that they got involved too late and missed the boat.
Skype is important to much more people and I have word that it's coming.11-08-12 02:26 PMLike 0 - Actually RIM did think of this, and they considered it very seriously, so obviously they thought it a serious potential alternative. That certainly puts your sarcastic and condescending response in an embarrassing light.11-08-12 04:01 PMLike 0
- Marketshare in the states not the world. There is so much more to the rest of the world than USA. Only the US media amd retailers seem to be oblivious to what RIM have been doing. And when bb10 takes off it will be the US behind and back pedalling to see the potential.11-08-12 04:07 PMLike 0
- Bold_until_Hybrid_ComesWaterloo's FinestI believe it's the other way around. The temporal patterns of deployment and marketshare, suggest that North America leads the trend. It's up to RIM to move developing nations to BB10 before the erosion begins in earnest there. (I noted that quite a long time ago...it's why I think bb10 deployment there should not be delayed.....bb10 won't be a "catchup" there, but can be see as "leading") We won't know the numbers for a while, but it is possible the erosion is starting already in many of those other countries, and I expect the growth of alternatives there to start biting into RIM.11-08-12 04:24 PMLike 0
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The term that best fits in a sentence with Android is malware.11-08-12 04:48 PMLike 3 - Android and iOS are just plain good enough. There isn't really that much difference between the top tier mobile systems, that one of them is dramatically worse or better than the others. It often just comes down to little idiosyncrasies, whether one prefers widgets or iOS UI, that makes people choose one of the two.
Enter BB10. Is it significantly different from other mobile OSes? Nope... Is it better? Sure it MIGHT be in some ways. Just not dramatically so. And that's RIMs biggest problem. They're launching a mobile OS that don't really offer any dramatic improvement over the competition.
Android and iOS did that. Offered something dramatically better than the competition. And they've split the market between them, since its taken Microsoft, Nokia and RIM over 3-4 years to match their advantage.
But somewhere, deep in RIMs secret R&D vaults, Ill bet you that there is a couple of prototypes of a Blackberry Android phone, don't ya think?
Having said that, it depends on what differences are being considered. In some respects, all platforms are the same, not much difference in what they do. However, they significantly differ in key areas and their user bases gravitate to these differences. It's what makes them special.
FFS how many threads exist with the theme of "mine can do THIS thing and yours can't neener neener your platform sucks"?
I don't see BB10 being a fail. It may not make RIM top dog, but I certainly don't think it'll fail.
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You don't wanna be making "marathon" comparisons. Didn't work out too well before.
L�o: In the short term, it�s about putting webOS out there. You�ll see it�s starting to gain some traction. This isn�t about taking Apple head-on. It�s about establishing credibility. Once we are the third alternative, it�s a marathon, not a sprint.
L�o Apotheker, June 1 2011 D9 Conferencerichardat and the_kid_hartford like this.11-08-12 05:02 PMLike 2 - I know that BlackBerry is the most secure of phones, but has there been documented cases of iPhones being hacked (particularly those owned by stars/starlets or CEO's) and the contents used for evil purposes? I have friends with Android phones that said they have been hit by viruses and they have anti-virus programs running on their phones (!) Are BlackBerry phones susceptible to viruses? I've owned them for over five years and as far as I can tell I don't think I've ever had any such problem. Maybe this is something that RIM should use in their marketing. I hear posters above saying "most people don't care about security" and I agree, but perhaps they will care if someone brings it to their attention.11-08-12 05:33 PMLike 0
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Nov 2, 2012: IDC: Android Claims 75% of Smartphone Shipments
Sept. 5, 2012 Business Insider CHART OF THE DAY: Google Is Activating 1.3 Million Android Devices On A Daily Basis
How does that stack up against 80 million?11-08-12 05:35 PMLike 0 - Seeing as someone quoted BD.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT SECURITY!
The market numbers have proven that security is not a selling point for the majority of buyers. They just don't care. Security will not help RIM gain market share. Sorry, it is what it is. It just doesn't matter except to a handful of people. Apps and Eco-system matter, if RIM can nail that they're in with a chance. Without that they'll be a minor player.
Sent from my 4s using TapaTalk
And yes I care about it too, but I am sure there is a different reason RIM cares about information security.
Actually is part of the forums in here ... BlackBerry 10 Receives FIPS Security Certification Ahead of Launch11-08-12 05:51 PMLike 0 - It appears as though he was doing a comparison between android and ios in his first statement: the sentence previous strongly suggest that, as does the sentence proceeding it. The later highlight refers to a comparison between the ios/android and it's other earlier competitors.11-08-12 06:26 PMLike 0
- To the OP, where did a good chunk of Android and IOS users come from? BB...many people didn't have WP and when WP7 dropped it wasn't getting apps like iOS and Android did, no crazy features, no addictive service like BBM ...here comes BB10 time warp camera/gestures/team-view/world leading browser/ world leading security/keyboard/ multi-language keyboard to name a few oh and BBM Video. They've been great developers, companies that weren't on before getting on the bandwagon. But back to that first sentence i wrote about android and iOS users being previous BB owners, that right there is gonna spark curiosity to see what they're old device maker has now put up when they go in to pay the cell bill or when its time for a upgrade. I talked to two friends today that are on android waiting for it to be released amongst others i see when i search the #BB10 on twitter. Oh, and we have a CMO now!!Vorkosigan likes this.11-08-12 06:32 PMLike 1
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