1. missing_K-W's Avatar
    I am just very curious why some feel that Android app support is bad?

    I hold absolutely no bias between native and Android apps being supported on the platform. IMHO an app is an app

    There are currently 100's of thousands of Android apps that can be leveraged on the platform. Why wouldn't we embrace this?

    I embrace the more options more choice.

    Android apps are beginning to operate as though they are native to the platform. The Android runtime is evolving quite well and with this comes more support. Better functionality and a great user experience.

    As I have stated earlier IMHO an app is an app whether Android or native. Why wouldn't we embrace the more options more choice mentality?


    Just curious to know where people stand on this. From what I have gathered on the forums. The consensus is that it gives native devs less incentives to develop native apps. Where I stand on this is that native apps are currently being developed and will continue to be developed. There is and has since the beginning of BB10 been a steady influx of native apps.

    I can see some stating that we should just get Android devices. However this isn't an option as we have come to love the hub, peek, flow, multi tasking and UX of BB10 etc.

    As I have already stated. More options.....more choice is what I am embracing

    Be sure to also state why Android app support is a good thing
    11-17-13 07:22 PM
  2. bekkay's Avatar
    Didn't you just state you dislike Android UX in the other thread?

    Guess what? Android apps are designed for Android UX.
    11-17-13 07:26 PM
  3. bekkay's Avatar
    More choice is good, but I doubt that all Android apps will run the same on BB10 as they do on comparable Android hardware.

    In any case, for me, the bottomline is "Why would anyone purchase a BB10 device for Android support?" This just sounds irrational.

    I just imagine a person at a store who is told "Look. Here is a BlackBerry that can run Android apps. Not all of them. And not perfectly fine. And not from Google Play. Please, buy one"
    11-17-13 07:29 PM
  4. missing_K-W's Avatar
    Didn't you just state you dislike Android UX in the other thread?

    Guess what? Android apps are designed for Android UX.
    I don't care for the Android UX. I do enjoy the app experience. However I couldn't live without the BB10 UX. This is where I'm going to leave this. Debating is dualistic in nature. There is an infinite means to support either side. So I will no longer comment on this matter in the future. I do however embrace Android apps.
    Last edited by missing_K-W; 11-17-13 at 08:00 PM.
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    11-17-13 07:35 PM
  5. howarmat's Avatar
    most people didnt buy BB10 to run android apps. They bought BB10 to run cascades native applications. BB told us how great cascasdes is and all the things you can do with it. And now I feel they are slapping all the BB10 devs in the face saying you arent good enough so lets just let everyone use android apps instead. If i wanted a device that runs android apps i would buy an android device in which they will run better and have official support. Chris and I have both been pretty much against this concept from the beginning and my opinion still hasnt changed really
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    11-17-13 07:35 PM
  6. playbookster's Avatar
    If a developer wants to get better promotion from BlackBerry they will build a native app. They tend to get more exposure. Devs that want nothing to do with building an app for BlackBerry have already built an app that runs well on bb. It's a win win situation in my opinion.

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    11-17-13 07:40 PM
  7. playbookster's Avatar
    most people didnt by BB10 to run android apps. They bought BB10 to run cascades native applications. BB told us how great cascasdes is and all the things you can do with it. And now I feel they are slapping all the BB10 devs in the face saying you arent good enough so lets just let everyone use android apps instead. If i wanted a device that runs android apps i would buy an android device in which they will run better and have official support. Chris and I have both been pretty much against this concept from the beginning and my opinion still hasnt changed really
    I don't think anyone is buying bb10 phones for apps at all. If they at least plug the holes it won't be a deterrent anymore.

    Sent from my Z30
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    11-17-13 07:41 PM
  8. missing_K-W's Avatar
    most people didnt by BB10 to run android apps. They bought BB10 to run cascades native applications. BB told us how great cascasdes is and all the things you can do with it. And now I feel they are slapping all the BB10 devs in the face saying you arent good enough so lets just let everyone use android apps instead. If i wanted a device that runs android apps i would buy an android device in which they will run better and have official support. Chris and I have both been pretty much against this concept from the beginning and my opinion still hasnt changed really
    Android app support Isn't new. Intact BlackBerry 's business model is to have the best Android runtime on the market. When I looked at job postings for Android runtime engineers on the QNX siye a couple years ago it clearly stated that Blackberry was seeking engineers to develop " the best Android runtime time on the market"

    Now that Blackberry is coming through with their goal of having the best Android runtime on the market and the runtime is allowing for amazing capabilities it is a bad thing.
    11-17-13 07:41 PM
  9. missing_K-W's Avatar
    most people didnt by BB10 to run android apps. They bought BB10 to run cascades native applications. BB told us how great cascasdes is and all the things you can do with it. And now I feel they are slapping all the BB10 devs in the face saying you arent good enough so lets just let everyone use android apps instead. If i wanted a device that runs android apps i would buy an android device in which they will run better and have official support. Chris and I have both been pretty much against this concept from the beginning and my opinion still hasnt changed really
    BB10 currently doesn't support java developers. Android devs are java devs. Android support is just leveraging the java developer.

    The average consumer has no idea what cascades is
    11-17-13 07:45 PM
  10. playbookster's Avatar
    It really is the chicken before the egg scenario. No users = no apps. If BlackBerry can build up their userbase perhaps android Devs will build their apps using cascades, but not before it is worth their time and effort. Having access to android markets is a way to keep current customers happy and attract new ones that like the bb10 experience but didn't like the lack of major apps.

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    11-17-13 07:45 PM
  11. missing_K-W's Avatar
    I just really enjoy hearing where people stand on this. I didn't start this thread to argue my stance. I started this thread to see where others stand. Hope people enjoying this thread. Very curious to see where it goes.
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    11-17-13 07:53 PM
  12. arvind1983's Avatar
    How is cascades great? It may run nicely on BB10 but the cascades UI has already started to feel boring. All black tabs, can you change the color theme for cascade? plz let me know cause I am not sure about it. BBM for android and IOS reviews are already thrashing Cascades style layout as boring. Design, colors and style are limited in Cascades, thats my opinion though.

    most people didnt buy BB10 to run android apps. They bought BB10 to run cascades native applications. BB told us how great cascasdes is and all the things you can do with it. And now I feel they are slapping all the BB10 devs in the face saying you arent good enough so lets just let everyone use android apps instead. If i wanted a device that runs android apps i would buy an android device in which they will run better and have official support. Chris and I have both been pretty much against this concept from the beginning and my opinion still hasnt changed really
    11-17-13 10:02 PM
  13. missing_K-W's Avatar
    How is cascades great? It may run nicely on BB10 but the cascades UI has already started to feel boring. All black tabs, can you change the color theme for cascade? plz let me know cause I am not sure about it. BBM for android and IOS reviews are already thrashing Cascades style layout as boring. Design, colors and style are limited in Cascades, thats my opinion though.
    I would like to see some more eye candy. Even if it compromises battery life. Wee bit. I could live with that.

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    11-17-13 10:04 PM
  14. ankush77's Avatar
    every one has his or her support for Android ports,sometimes they are bad and some times very necessary???
    11-17-13 11:23 PM
  15. prplhze2000's Avatar
    Because its 1995 and they r still trying to use word perfect when everyone has moved to MS WORD

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    11-17-13 11:23 PM
  16. ankush77's Avatar
    we cannot say in totality that Android app are bad
    11-17-13 11:24 PM
  17. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    Android app support Isn't new. Intact BlackBerry 's business model is to have the best Android runtime on the market. When I looked at job postings for Android runtime engineers on the QNX siye a couple years ago it clearly stated that Blackberry was seeking engineers to develop " the best Android runtime time on the market"

    Now that Blackberry is coming through with their goal of having the best Android runtime on the market and the runtime is allowing for amazing capabilities it is a bad thing.
    The Android runtime has never to my knowledge been something that was advertised to consumers and meant for their consumption. It was something that's there to make it easier for developers to submit their apps to BlackBerry World by repackaging their Android apps. Of course, some people got smart to this and was able to use this method to do their own conversions and sideloading. Keep in mind, throughout all this, there has never been an official made by BlackBerry sideloading tool for consumers, most everyone uses DDPB, VNBB10, the Chrome extension, or some other 3rd party app. I think this, along with them eventually locking off the runtime is most telling of BlackBerry's intentions for the Android runtime.

    As of this point, no one except BlackBerry really knows what their intentions are for the expanded capabilities of the 10.2.1 Android runtime. If they make it a consumer facing feature, and are going to throw their weight and support behind it, then great. But if not, then it really isn't a solution to their app issues. It's a great solution for those of us here that like the BB10 UI and UX, but also are looking for a few missing apps. But it's not a solution for potential customers...both consumer and enterprise. They want seamless integrated solutions...not an unsupported DIY one.

    As a BlackBerry and Android user, I want native apps for each. I haven't tried the 10.2.1 runtime yet, but on all previous versions, I'd say a good portion of the sideloads and ports I've tried ran below the level they would on a native Android device. At times, there will be certain options or features in them that would either not work or cause the app to crash if selected. Almost all do not integrate well into the OS (ie. into sharing mens). Better than nothing, but not a good experience. On the other hand, I absolutely love the native BB10 apps. They're smooth, integrate well into the OS, and follow the design guidelines. A lot of the ones with the Built for BlackBerry designation are shining examples of the types of apps BlackBerry 10 needs.
    Last edited by BlackBerry Guy; 11-18-13 at 08:54 AM.
    11-18-13 01:00 AM
  18. f0xG3's Avatar
    I think the Android runtime is there as a very good crutch. Until the BB10 ecosystem can walk by itself. I am hoping one day that this runtime will be removed as we get more apps. And even boosting the system a lot.

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    11-18-13 01:03 AM
  19. missing_K-W's Avatar
    we cannot say in totality that Android app are bad
    That's where I stand I welcome more options....more choice.

    Native apps are being added every day. I think the argument of Android apps canabilozing native apps is lost as native apps are coming in quite steadily

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    11-18-13 08:51 AM
  20. ssbtech's Avatar
    How is cascades great? It may run nicely on BB10 but the cascades UI has already started to feel boring. All black tabs, can you change the color theme for cascade?
    You're right, I think Cascades could do with some visual improvements. But from a functionality point of view, it's hard to beat.

    I have a few Android apps on my phone (Square payment, Flipboard and a few others) and the UI inconsistencies are driving me nuts.

    Android is sort of like 52 pickup - dump everything all over the place and hope that the user knows where to find it.
    11-18-13 11:34 AM
  21. missing_K-W's Avatar
    You're right, I think Cascades could do with some visual improvements. But from a functionality point of view, it's hard to beat.

    I have a few Android apps on my phone (Square payment, Flipboard and a few others) and the UI inconsistencies are driving me nuts.

    Android is sort of like 52 pickup - dump everything all over the place and hope that the user knows where to find it.
    Cascades really are brilliant. Just need some more eye candy
    11-18-13 11:44 AM
  22. missing_K-W's Avatar
    FYI. Just so you know Google didn't make these apps. Devs made these apps. BlackBerry is supporting devs whether you can accept that or not.

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    11-18-13 12:44 PM
  23. missing_K-W's Avatar
    I find it rather interesting that BB10 supports more Android apps than most Android devices. If you look at the numbers it's quite staggering. Bb10 handles Android apps better than most Android devices on the market.

    I simply state this due to what os is loaded on the majority of most Android devices globally

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    11-18-13 02:05 PM

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