Who said this was a smartphone?
- Go wash the sand out of your ******! Take the phone back, and get one that you want, and the go whine on someone else's forums!
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-23-08 11:32 AMLike 0 - And I absolutely *love* the whole attitude of these forums. "If you are not one of us, go away!!!" "If you have any concerns with this phone, you must humbly ask us, the gods of this forum, and you must talk around any possible criticism of the phone or its maker" "OMG UR T TEH STOOPID COZ UR NOT LIEK TEH BB" Please, I have yet to hear how this hunk of crap I was talked into is really a smartphone, despite its 64MB07-23-08 11:33 AMLike 0
- Well the BlackBerry is not for everyone. Some find it a useful tool for simplifying a busy lifestyle, others are better of with a Windoze Mobile Device. As for the iphone, its a cute toy, but not very business-like no matter how well Jobs dresses up the software. Sorry your BlackBerry experience was so horrid. By the way, a BlackBerry Addict forum is probably not the best sounding board in this case, you had to know you would be flamed.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-23-08 11:35 AMLike 0 - I asked about smartphones and was told that BB's were pretty good, and that the pricing was pretty reasonable. I haggled and they dropped the price from $100 to $1 (both with contract extension). Ok, not precisely free, but a buck is insignificant. It was a good way to dump stock for them, i suppose. It wasnt exactly the hard sell, as they were willing to virtually give them away. Should have been a clue there, i suppose.07-23-08 11:38 AMLike 0
- seriously?
Bottom Line: Fine this isn't the smartphone for you. You don't like it, it doesn't have enough preloaded applications for you, it doesn't have enough memory for you...etc. Simply get another phone. Fine yes your OP wasn't I guess overtly nasty, but still it could have been a little less condescending from my point of view. I like my Berry because it has the applications I need to run my business on the go. It isn't simply about e-mails. I can do many (of course not all) of the things I need with out my laptop. This keeps me and my clients happy. That doesn't make me a brainwashed minion from my perspective. The forums help me learn more about my phone. I have yet to pay for an application, and so far I do not have memory issues. If my needs were different, a different smartphone may be in order.
I'm also going to have to say I'm sort of suprised to see this behavior from someone with the name ElderGoth, but that is another story for another forum.07-23-08 11:38 AMLike 0 - Would someone please lock this forum or delete Eldergoth's account? He obviously is only here to create drama!!!
I am sick of reading his Monday night keyboard quarterback comments!!!!07-23-08 11:42 AMLike 0 - Crucial_XtremeRetired ModeratorOK, to ALL CB MEMBERS----> Please quit responding to this thread. It has become pointless. He has said his peace and us ours. He is entitled to his opinion, and these posts are only adding fuel to the fire. Do the right thing, the mature thing, and leave it alone.07-23-08 11:48 AMLike 0
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- Pete6Retired ModeratorWow, I was going to reply to your points, but the quoted text here "quite simply the best smartphone on the market today" has me convinced that you're delusional. The best version on the market has, what, 128K of memory available for applications? Hello, Commodore 128 that I owned somewhere around 1986. Whats the iPhone up to now, 16GB (not that im a huge fan of Apple, but the memory comparison is still valid)? Give me a shout when they make a Blackberry as powerful as the Amiga that I replaced the C128 with in 1988. Yes, im aware they are measured in K, not Megs, I'm making a point here. 64/128MB isn't enough.
Best smartphone on the market today? Its not even a smartphone. Never should have listened to people who said it was the best thing since sliced bread. Its great for big business. For small business users like me? Not so much. I was led to believe that it would be, like its competitors, a laptop replacement, at least situationally. Pay attention there, i said situationally, i.e. times you dont need full-scale apps. Phones are getitng to the point that they can, at times, substitute for a laptop. The Curve isn't there, and I don't see RIM making anything that is capable of that without a serious shift in their thinking.
Big business wants thin client hardware. Small business wants miniature PC's. Consumers want something in-between. All I see from RIM currently is big business thinking. Even the Storm, or whatever they are calling it these days, looks to be a half-measure. Wish I'd known this all beforehand insteard of relying on recommendations from Crack(berry)heads.
Rather it would apear that you are deluded if you compare a BlackBerry SmartPhone to an Amiga. I recall that Desktop Home Computer. I seem to also remember that it was not a pocket phone.
Massive memory is not the answer. It has always been a work around. Good system design, like the BlackBerry needs enough to do its job and no more. Well, and then a bit more to be sure.
I use my BlackBerry to augment my laptop. I never thought that it would be a replacement. I learned that lesson with the HP100LX.
The BlackBerry is primarily a corporate toll and then is primarily a secure extension to the corporate email network. It fulfills the large coprotate model of being reasonable thin within the organization because so much is done on the network.
As to the rest of your rantings, I am not going to comment other than to say that I agree with you and you should have listened better because what you want, does not yet exist. The BlackBerry is the best that there is today - which was why I chose it. Sometime in the future there will certainly be better.
I honestly think that you would be better off to replace your BlacBerry with your own ideal of a SmartPhone. Remeber though that the iPhone does not support Cut and Paste or removable Media and Windows Mobile has highly insecure email with the hardware and software coming from different vendors - nice.
Good luck on your quest. You obviosly have the intelligence and will to keep looking and you and the Black/Crackberry community should simpy agree to disagree. I think that there is no more to be said in this thread. At least for me.07-23-08 11:54 AMLike 0 - No way, I just got here!
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07-23-08 11:57 AMLike 0 - I am also new to Blackberry land. I came here from a Windows mobile Moto Q and a very brief encounter with a Palm Centro. I recently renewed my VZW contract and got the Palm Centro, but returned that for a 8330 Curve.
Before that, I used a plain cell phone and a Palm TX. Being a software developer by trade and having had many experiences with PDAs and smartphones; I think I am very qualified to pass an opinion.
I dumped my MotoQ because Windows Mobile for Smartphones is possibly the slowest, ugliest, and most cumbersome handheld OS ever written. Microsoft thinks Mobile users don't need Cut & Paste functionality unless they have a touchscreen device. Off to search for hackware to fill another Windows void. Good Luck finding a decent database solution; HanDBase is as good as it gets. Short story, third party Windows apps are unusually bad and there aren't many to choose from. I am not a MS hater, I use XP for development and use Vista at home.
I returned the Centro because the Bluetooth is awful. The BT stack has not been updated in years, so it can't stream BT stereo without a third party application. I tried Audio Gateway ($20) on my Palm TX and it was flaky. I hoped the Centro would work better, but that was not the case. I expect my Smartphone to stream music to my truck during my daily commute, pause to receive hands-free calls, and then resume playing music. The Centro could not do this without manually initiating the BT connection each time I got in my truck and still needed extra software to stream audio. It would also dump the BT connection periodically; something the MotoQ never did so the problem is not my truck. Speaking of updates; will Palm ever update the OS? Seriously, 2002 was a long time ago and the Palm OS needs some modernization. Although, the lack of OS changes does give the Palm platform one distinct advantage: users can run all those applications that were written in the 90s. To be fair, many are good, but most are woefully unaware of the internet and do not take advantage of modern connection speeds to bring value to the user. Palms do not have an integrated Media Player; instead you have to buy one or find freeware (usually poor quality). Yes, the Centro did have a bundled third party player. BTW, you mentioned that you expect software to be free, but the Palm has the largest collection of third party applications and most have to be registered for a price. You also implied the Palm uses memory cards like internal memory; that is not true. The Palm can store and run applications from the card, but it does not use the card to supplement system memory. In fact, the advertised memory in a Palm device is never fully accessible to the end user; only a portion is made available. My Palm TX has 128MB, but only ~100MB is available to install applications or hold data.
My Curve came with a fairly good media player, address book, messaging application that handles all types of messages, task manager, password utility, web browser, and a mapping / navigation application. I don't think any other mobile device I have purchased came out of the box with that much software and functionality. I purchased Ascendo Datavault ($25), TrackIt Custom Edition ($25), and a 8GB SDHC card ($35). I didn't have to buy a case or headphones because like the bundled software; RIM provided fairly good ones in the box. Short version: $75 for the Curve and $85 for software and I do not need anything else except a few awesome free utilities like Microsoft Live Search Beta and Viigo.
It took me a few weeks to adjust to the Curve, and now I understand why they are called CrackBerrys. Give the BB a chance, they are different from Palm / Windows, but their strengths far outweigh the weaknesses.
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07-23-08 11:59 AMLike 0 -
- If this was a smartphone, I could plug in a memory chip and it would use it as more than a glorified Zip drive, it would treat it as native, usable memory.
If this was a smartphone, it would have a few basic applications pre-loaded, a real scheduler, word processor (I have a mini keyboard, ffs), Office document viewers, etc.
If this was a smartphone, users wouldnt be bouncing off the memory ceiling when they finally get the thing sorted out.
If this was a smartphone, I could open the box, activate it, and not have to become a forum junkie to make it do the things a smartphone should, and it would do them without spending a couple hundred bucks on cobbled together crap software from little one man shops.
If this was a smartphone, i would have my pick of freeware apps for virtually anything i wanted to do with it, instead of one mediocre payware or subscription service and a couple freeware competitors that cant be relied upon to work consistently.
The BB is a one-trick pony (push email) that is finding out that all the other ponies are learning its trick. Boy did I make a mistake taking the free "upgrade" my carrier offered. Meh, Treo's will be that much cheaper in a year. At least the QWERTY keyboard makes writing emails easier.07-23-08 12:11 PMLike 0 - John YesterRetired SuperstarWell not matter what they say, we should not totally bash back.... it's not worth it, we just point them in the right direction and hopefully they will proceed to make it right.....07-23-08 12:13 PMLike 0
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