- 4G/LTE came out (internationally) in 2010. That's all you need - unless your carrier denies advanced features.08-20-21 07:24 PMLike 0
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The speed of this transition is being dictated by the needs of the greater marketplace, not just by the carriers setting an aggressive schedule for no particular reason.08-21-21 02:02 PMLike 3 -
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- The Titan has treated me pretty well the last year and a half. Its been thrown against the wall, gone down concrete stairs, gotten wet more times than I can count and its holding up well. The only issue is it likes to double type letters at times, especially the i key.09-15-21 07:10 PMLike 0
- What I find interesting is all the people (almost every one) who see my K2 and say, "I miss a PKB" If they all loved them so much, why did they all go iPhone five years ago and why hasn't there been more interest in making a PKB. I have said it here before and I'll say it again, I found out the thing I really loved about my Bold was the trackpad. Without that, the PKB alone is not worth waiting for and I don't see that happening because none of the app makers on Android is going to spend time supporting a trackpad.09-16-21 07:23 AMLike 0
- I'll drink to that. The Classic is the phone that should have come out in January 2013. Anything else was either a crippled BB or an attempt to compete with the glass slabs, either way was a guaranteed failure but by sticking with the concept of the 9900 they may have held on to the niche market.jng0705 likes this.09-16-21 07:39 AMLike 1
- I'll drink to that. The Classic is the phone that should have come out in January 2013. Anything else was either a crippled BB or an attempt to compete with the glass slabs, either way was a guaranteed failure but by sticking with the concept of the 9900 they may have held on to the niche market.
I'll agree that the Classic should have come in 2013, along with BB10.3. But reality is it wouldn't have changed anything... BB10 required 10 Million units to support it, and the PKB market wasn't that big.
BIS is what sold BlackBerry's, not PKBs.09-16-21 08:04 AMLike 0 - What market niche?
I'll agree that the Classic should have come in 2013, along with BB10.3. But reality is it wouldn't have changed anything... BB10 required 10 Million units to support it, and the PKB market wasn't that big.
BIS is what sold BlackBerry's, not PKBs.
Of all the folks I know who bought BB before 2013, none EVER claimed it was for BIS. BES, yes, but BIS was simply tolerated as part of the package. In MY experience. Fwiw.
9900 delivered a complete package of many features. Exquisite PKB was only one feature of that package. A feature that couldn't stand solely on its own. As BB et al has so thoroughly demonstrated since 2013.
To slab phreeks, PKB proved the most visually obvious of 9900's feature set. Toolbelt second? USEful compactness is difficult to "see" in photos. I've long wondered if Dan Dodge's bunch EVER got closer than photos to a Bold? Lol.the_boon likes this.09-16-21 08:49 AMLike 1 - Storm had BIS. How successful was that? Lol.
Of all the folks I know who bought BB before 2013, none EVER claimed it was for BIS. BES, yes, but BIS was simply tolerated as part of the package. In MY experience. Fwiw.
9900 delivered a complete package of many features. Exquisite PKB was only one feature of that package. A feature that couldn't stand solely on its own. As BB et al has so thoroughly demonstrated since 2013.
To slab phreeks, PKB proved the most visually obvious of 9900's feature set. Toolbelt second? USEful compactness is difficult to "see" in photos. I've long wondered if Dan Dodge's bunch EVER got closer than photos to a Bold? Lol.
There were some really big BIS proponents right here on these forums. Belfastdispatcher was one of them. He was constantly bemoaning the demise of BIS on BB10. But, really, it's only other benefit after reduced data usage was push email. And even that was for only certain email services. My ISP's POP3-based email, and my OWA connection to my work email was stuck with the 15 minute polling cycle. I never got push email on my Pearl or Torch. Once BB10 came along with native EAS and complete IMAP capability, well... there's your push email right there.Laura Knotek likes this.09-16-21 09:52 AMLike 1 - Actually, BIS was a big deal to many in other parts of the world with expensive data plans with caps that were ridiculously low... especially compared to what we get now. It was mainly in North America that BIS was tolerated if you weren't given a BB with BES in a governmental, corporate or university setting.
There were some really big BIS proponents right here on these forums. Belfastdispatcher was one of them. He was constantly bemoaning the demise of BIS on BB10. But, really, it's only other benefit after reduced data usage was push email. And even that was for only certain email services. My ISP's POP3-based email, and my OWA connection to my work email was stuck with the 15 minute polling cycle. I never got push email on my Pearl or Torch. Once BB10 came along with native EAS and complete IMAP capability, well... there's your push email right there.
I do admit that BES was very important in US back in the day (1999 - 2010)... even had a "free" version (BESX) of it for smaller business. But BlackBerry's top sales came not from enterprise, but consumers or PRO users.... who didn't use BES or BESX.
CrackBerry didn't start because of Enterprise or BES...Laura Knotek likes this.09-16-21 10:35 AMLike 1 - Actually, BIS was a big deal to many in other parts of the world with expensive data plans with caps that were ridiculously low... especially compared to what we get now. It was mainly in North America that BIS was tolerated if you weren't given a BB with BES in a governmental, corporate or university setting.
There were some really big BIS proponents right here on these forums. Belfastdispatcher was one of them. He was constantly bemoaning the demise of BIS on BB10. But, really, it's only other benefit after reduced data usage was push email. And even that was for only certain email services. My ISP's POP3-based email, and my OWA connection to my work email was stuck with the 15 minute polling cycle. I never got push email on my Pearl or Torch. Once BB10 came along with native EAS and complete IMAP capability, well... there's your push email right there.
Sharing personal experience is what us non-expert enthusiasts do. . A "bubble" of non-authoritative personal experience. Each expecting while respecting each other's limited experience. Should go without say but most of my posts get plenty of "imo". Imo. Lol.
Some did appreciate BIS' "unlimited" data on Pearl as mobile data link for laptop... Before learning of the legalities... Lol.
BES was part of our company infrastructure. Which "RIM reps" pretty well supported. BIS support somewhat depended on expertise of CB authorities, imo. A "bubble" in itself, imo.
Best thing about BIS, imo, was the "long term" priority hardware afforded by BIS SAF. Why this 10yr old Bold can still be on the road. Deriving sustainable revenues strictly out of hardware sales margin proved impossible to deliver too many of valued features.
Users happily pay SAF for VPN, etc... I've long wondered how "impossible" it might've proven to migrate BIS into a BB VPN? Or?? SAF model?Laura Knotek likes this.09-16-21 11:29 AMLike 1 -
Although, it wouldn't have been a straight migration. BIS was directly from the carrier to the BlackBerry NOCs, then out to the intended destination and back. The phones had to have that connection to the carrier first. Remember that first setup to put in your information and set the password was either on the phone itself once your SIM was running and connected to your carrier or through your specific carrier BIS Portal website.Laura Knotek likes this.09-16-21 11:54 AMLike 1 - You're not the only one who's wondered about that.
Although, it wouldn't have been a straight migration. BIS was directly from the carrier to the BlackBerry NOCs, then out to the intended destination and back. The phones had to have that connection to the carrier first. Remember that first setup to put in your information and set the password was either on the phone itself once your SIM was running and connected to your carrier or through your specific carrier BIS Portal website.09-16-21 01:18 PMLike 0 -
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Isn't that how a collaborative forum of mostly unqualified enthusiasts works?? If a post reporting personal experience matches others' experience they reply in agreement? If not, they reply in question?? ?? The resulting conversation contributes to broader perspectives?09-16-21 05:40 PMLike 0 - I subscribed a few days ago to OM and got diddly squat. At this stage I would have expected a welcome email with some encouraging and warm words about the new device.
The deafening silence to me indicates some pretty serious vapour ware. Similar to Theranos??09-23-21 07:33 AMLike 0 - Yeah I don't know of anyone getting a reply to the Subscribe Form.... Now if you go to the Pre-Commitment Program and select 1000+ units, some where getting follow up emails from that.09-23-21 08:19 AMLike 0
- Eventually you get a reply email. It doesn't represent anything in my opinion since it was like a generic auto-replyLaura Knotek likes this.09-23-21 11:57 AMLike 1
- I personally hopped on BB with BB10 due to the fact it would work with any system or carrier. My kid brother was a BB Guy before me, he had one with the trackball, one of the curves? Anyway, the BES was always a limiting factor for people like me who didnt know if a BB7 Device would work with my carrier. After I got off my parents Verizon plan I went LG qwerty phone, then E71, E6, E5 briefly, Droid Pro briefly, Lumia 822 that broke due to welding slag contacting the screen then Q10. But every single phone was on a MVNO, and before BB10 a constant notification on every MVNO was "Blackberry Services Not Supported". In fact I Still had to tell Net10 "its not that kind of Blackberry" several times!neoberry99 likes this.10-11-21 08:06 PMLike 1
- The only hope left is that one day it will happen, like peace on earth, cure for cancer and the end of basic hunger.shakingthrough and JeepBB like this.11-17-21 04:34 PMLike 2
- I personally hopped on BB with BB10 due to the fact it would work with any system or carrier. My kid brother was a BB Guy before me, he had one with the trackball, one of the curves? Anyway, the BES was always a limiting factor for people like me who didnt know if a BB7 Device would work with my carrier. After I got off my parents Verizon plan I went LG qwerty phone, then E71, E6, E5 briefly, Droid Pro briefly, Lumia 822 that broke due to welding slag contacting the screen then Q10. But every single phone was on a MVNO, and before BB10 a constant notification on every MVNO was "Blackberry Services Not Supported". In fact I Still had to tell Net10 "its not that kind of Blackberry" several times!11-18-21 09:24 AMLike 0
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