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  1. TCB on Z10's Avatar
    Just because the US government bailed out the US car companies, Canada would not do that for one of their own. If you're making poor business choices, and can't react fast enough what customers need, you're on your own and deserve your fate.
    Canada did bail out GM and Chrysler ( not Ford) so they must have been doing a better job than BlackBerry? News to me!

    BB, Still the One
    09-28-16 01:46 PM
  2. crackbrry fan's Avatar
    Not caught on today's news huh?
    I repeat what's" INFERIOR" about their products?? Hardware? OS? Software? FIPS? Other Security issues?? Please elaborate??

    Posted via CB10
    09-28-16 01:47 PM
  3. johnenglish's Avatar
    Just because the US government bailed out the US car companies, Canada would not do that for one of their own. If you're making poor business choices, and can't react fast enough what customers need, you're on your own and deserve your fate.
    If BackBerry employed hundreds of thousands of workers, never mind all the industries that supported them, and it's bankruptcy would have global shockwaves then yeah, the government should probably bail them out. But that wasn't BlackBerry's case.
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    09-28-16 01:48 PM
  4. Cynycl's Avatar
    What exactly is" INFERIOR "in their products?? A lack of apps?? Please expand...

    Posted via CB10
    Apparently everything in comparison to the phones people actually bought over the past five years.
    09-28-16 01:54 PM
  5. cgk's Avatar
    I repeat what's" INFERIOR" about their products?? Hardware? OS? Software? FIPS? Other Security issues?? Please elaborate??

    Posted via CB10
    My point is that the next blackberry phone open to the people of candida is a licensed blackberry phone made by a third party which has nothing to do with Blackberry beyond them providing a license to use their name.

    It makes as much sense as the people of Rochester cheering the Turkish company who licensed the Kodak name to make TVs.

    What is there for them to get behind?
    09-28-16 01:55 PM
  6. StephanieMaks's Avatar
    The whole question / premise is alien to me.

    I am a Canadian. I'm very proud of this nation, I love the land, I think by and large Canadians are great people. That is more or less what patriotism means to me, I think.

    What mobile phone I or anyone else buy or use is just... alien and irrelevant to that concept of patriotism. As others have already said in this thread, BlackBerry has a foreign CEO pushing foreign-built (and since the DTEK50, foreign-designed) handsets, which run a foreign OS.

    BBOS and BB10 were at least more or less domestic products I believe? QNX was based in Ottawa I think?

    But BlackBerry turned their backs on those products and abandoned not just their loyal Canadian customers but all loyal BBOS / BB10 customers.

    Sorry but just because a multinational corporation has a headquarters in Canada and was founded in Canada, that's not enough reason for me to spend more money on (to be blunt) overpriced products that don't meet my current requirements, being offered by a mismanaged/misguided company that has a growing track-record of abandoning its own products and customers.

    That Chen should think that Canadians should have been more loyal to his current employer just on the basis of 'yay Canada' tells me either he's either very out of touch with Canadians (he doesn't actually live here does he?)... or it's simply another attempt at shifting focus and redirecting some ire.
    09-28-16 01:56 PM
  7. crackbrry fan's Avatar
    My point is that the next blackberry phone open to the people of candida is a licensed blackberry phone made by a third party which has nothing to do with Blackberry beyond them providing a license to use their name.

    It makes as much sense as the people of Rochester cheering the Turkish company who licensed the Kodak name to make TVs.

    What is there for them to get behind?
    That's Globalization, NAFTA and Free Market. Your comment is the Norm for many companies now. Apple isn't "Made in the USA". Yet it's seen as an American Enterprise.

    PS : on a side note I'm sorry for previous remark. It was misdirected to you.

    Posted via CB10
    09-28-16 02:00 PM
  8. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I really wonder what other country has bought more recent BlackBerry phones?

    I know Indonesia is a key market for BlackBerry... but was that with BB10 and Android phones, or still with older BBOS phones? Never really saw any indication that Indonesia had embraced BB10. What other country has the support of such a large percentage of the Carriers in that country?

    Chen was just talking to a Canadian business audience and was trying to build support for the company I think. Pulling his comments out of context, it makes it seem like he is blaming Candians.. don't think that is what he meant.
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    09-28-16 02:05 PM
  9. TCB on Z10's Avatar
    Canadians are great people.
    Agree. Too bad so many thousands lost their jobs in Waterloo and Halifax .

    BB, Still the One
    09-28-16 02:07 PM
  10. cgk's Avatar
    Apple isn't "Made in the USA". Yet it's seen as an American Enterprise.
    You cannot compare the two - Apple does all the design work in the US and designs significant elements like their own chipsets, all of the software and so on. Partners them make the devices for them under contract.

    In contrast, BBRY will design nothing and simply license the name to whoever wants it - it's just not the same in any sense.

    PS : on a side note I'm sorry for previous remark. It was misdirected to you.

    Posted via CB10
    No problem.
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    09-28-16 02:07 PM
  11. crackbrry fan's Avatar
    Apparently everything in comparison to the phones people actually bought over the past five years.
    Really I have devices from BlackBerry start BBOS and BlackBerry 10 ,that still power on and work perfectly right now. Can't say that of the competitions devices . Except for the lack of apps on BlackBerry 10 ,the BlackBerry is NOT inferior in anyway.

    Posted via CB10
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    09-28-16 02:11 PM
  12. Cynycl's Avatar
    Guess Patriotism has levels.
    Yep. By the time Justine and Orville Redenbacher's sister get done with my paycheque, I have to spend wisely.
    09-28-16 02:15 PM
  13. Cynycl's Avatar
    Really I have devices from BlackBerry start BBOS and BlackBerry 10 ,that still power on and work perfectly right now. Can't say that of the competitions devices . Except for the lack of apps on BlackBerry 10 ,the BlackBerry is NOT inferior in anyway.

    Posted via CB10
    Perception is reality and the consumer perceives BB as inferior. Nothing else matters.
    09-28-16 02:19 PM
  14. ardakca's Avatar
    The whole question / premise is alien to me.

    I am a Canadian. I'm very proud of this nation, I love the land, I think by and large Canadians are great people. That is more or less what patriotism means to me, I think.

    What mobile phone I or anyone else buy or use is just... alien and irrelevant to that concept of patriotism. As others have already said in this thread, BlackBerry has a foreign CEO pushing foreign-built (and since the DTEK50, foreign-designed) handsets, which run a foreign OS.

    BBOS and BB10 were at least more or less domestic products I believe? QNX was based in Ottawa I think?

    But BlackBerry turned their backs on those products and abandoned not just their loyal Canadian customers but all loyal BBOS / BB10 customers.

    Sorry but just because a multinational corporation has a headquarters in Canada and was founded in Canada, that's not enough reason for me to spend more money on (to be blunt) overpriced products that don't meet my current requirements, being offered by a mismanaged/misguided company that has a growing track-record of abandoning its own products and customers.

    That Chen should think that Canadians should have been more loyal to his current employer just on the basis of 'yay Canada' tells me either he's either very out of touch with Canadians (he doesn't actually live here does he?)... or it's simply another attempt at shifting focus and redirecting some ire.
    You know Chen is the last CEO along the processes right?
    09-28-16 02:25 PM
  15. crackbrry fan's Avatar
    Perception is reality and the consumer perceives BB as inferior. Nothing else matters.
    That's my point in the original posting. BlackBerry did NOTHING about the narrative, they allowed the mis perception to perpetuate. That's what matters or mattered.

    Posted via CB10
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    09-28-16 02:27 PM
  16. 3Dee's Avatar
    Didn't Google move into the Kitchener Waterloo area when BlackBerry left? Does Google have a larger workforce in Canada than BlackBerry?

    Posted via CB10
    09-28-16 02:28 PM
  17. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    One can understand when ICE (U.S. Immigration) elected to move wholesale to Apple, in part to channel taxpayer funding to support their domestic player and (I'm sure) comply with the very vocal local Congressmen to do the patriotic thing and buy American. Nothing wrong in that.
    Where is your evidence that any of this was involved in the decision-making and reasoning for the transition?
    09-28-16 02:30 PM
  18. darkehawke's Avatar
    Really I have devices from BlackBerry start BBOS and BlackBerry 10 ,that still power on and work perfectly right now. Can't say that of the competitions devices . Except for the lack of apps on BlackBerry 10 ,the BlackBerry is NOT inferior in anyway.

    Posted via CB10
    I have an ericsson that does that too
    BBOS phones were designed great. Solid stuff

    BB10 phones just felt cheap compared to competition and previous phones. Passport excluded.
    BB10 itself feels ancient whenever I use it now. Like a step backwards

    So granted yeah it's subjective on what's superior and inferior. But most people apparently agreed that BB10 and Blackberrys were inferior.
    09-28-16 04:08 PM
  19. darkehawke's Avatar
    That's my point in the original posting. BlackBerry did NOTHING about the narrative, they allowed the mis perception to perpetuate. That's what matters or mattered.

    Posted via CB10
    They sort of took half measures which was as bad as doing nothing. Worse actually

    Take the Z30
    They released a BB10 device with competitive specs, which people wanted, and didnt push it at all.
    It was like they were scared to commit to whatever steps they took
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    09-28-16 04:10 PM
  20. RH1Pearl's Avatar
    Aren't Canadians taxed enough?
    09-28-16 04:23 PM
  21. RH1Pearl's Avatar
    Hmmm..... Patriotism and Consumer Goods. Anyone remember North Star runners?
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    09-28-16 04:33 PM
  22. anon(9188202)'s Avatar
    In other news, Canadian Justin Bieber told MSNBC news that Americans could show their patriotism and support their economy by buying more of his CD's.
    09-28-16 04:37 PM
  23. acovey's Avatar
    In John Chen's recent Empire Club fireside chat, he mentioned his surprise at the historic lack of support from both Canadian carriers and consumers during Blackberry's recent well known challenges.

    He also mentioned Nortel as another domestically abandoned iconic Canadian market leader, which is now typically mentioned by the media in conjunction with Blackberry's fall from prominence. Are Canadians maintaining our famous polite indifference or displaying our well known national low self esteem ? Here we are today greeting the announcement of Blackberry's exit from designing and manufacturing hardware with silent resignation as we watch another Canadian point of pride is driven out of a marketplace they helped create.

    One can understand when ICE (U.S. Immigration) elected to move wholesale to Apple, in part to channel taxpayer funding to support their domestic player and (I'm sure) comply with the very vocal local Congressmen to do the patriotic thing and buy American. Nothing wrong in that. However, I've not heard one Canadian voice or institution stand up and a show any concern or support for this home grown innovative company whose brand is known around the world. Where are our politicians giving tangible support to keep this company able to compete internationally by supporting it at home?

    I can only surmise that John's "surprise" comes from knowing this type of national indifference would never happen in the U.S. or for that matter in China.
    I don't agree with many things John Chen says but it is SO true that Canadian companies do not support BlackBerry e.g. Air Canada (Rouge) WestJet, Canadian Tire and the big three phone suppliers have little knowledge or support. I am ashamed of most of my fellow Canadians in their treatment of BlackBerry. BUT I am also ashamed of BlackBerry and their treatment of BB10 supporters and users.
    09-28-16 04:45 PM
  24. cribble2k's Avatar
    Where are the Canadians?

    Bell Centre. They play the Senators tomorrow.

    Posted via Nexus 6p
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    09-28-16 04:52 PM
  25. crackbrry fan's Avatar
    They sort of took half measures which was as bad as doing nothing. Worse actually

    Take the Z30
    They released a BB10 device with competitive specs, which people wanted, and didnt push it at all.
    It was like they were scared to commit to whatever steps they took
    It's the half measures that were the problem ,commitment to stand by their product ,BlackBerry 10, this we can agree. As for "most of the people saying it's inferior , brings us back to the point of them, BlackBerry, not controlling that narrative. The attempted sale and all subsequent decisions didn't help either further fueling the negative publicity.

    The BlackBerry 10 device hardware especially the high end felt premium to me, especially when the competition at that time were all using cheap plastic with the exception of Apple.

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    09-28-16 04:55 PM
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