[greatwiseone]

What are you talking about? I own every song I purchased from iTunes.


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You don't own your songs. You only get a LICENSE to your song. Apple can turf your right in the song if it wants to. When you get a CD, you get a license to the song as well, but at least you have physical media that you have in your hand (pretty hard for record companies to come to your house and take the CD away...pretty easy for Apple to do).

[swyost]

Hey what's going on, with these US companies dropping Blackberry for the iphone?? Will they regret,doing this in the long run???

What is there to regret? RIM wasn't satifying those customers, the carriers weren't offering as good of incentives, RIM's current phone offerings look (at best) dated, RIM's business model in the past couple years has been (to put it mildly) disconcerting, and they left for better deals. If RIM is still in business in a few years, they will have a shot at winning some of the clients back with new contracts. It is not, however, like it was earlier in the previous decade. You really can use all sorts of devices on all sorts of platforms to do what you could once only do with a Blackberry. RIM has simply not made a compelling case to either the carriers or some of its long term clients as to why it is the best option....

[DenverRalphy]

Actually... when you purchase an LP or CD, you are supposedly purchasing the property of that copy. It's not a license.

When you pay for a digital copy (itunes, amazon, etc) the record labels are telling the consumer it is just a license.

The difference is defined by the record labels. And lately, the record labels are now getting in a bit of hot water as a result. Labels pay the artists a minute percentage for sales, and pay the artists a different (higher) rate for licenses. However, the record labels are looking at litigation because they've been telling the artists that digital purchases are sales, and paying them the sales rate for purchases, while publicly telling the consumers that digital purchases are only licenses. Numerous artists are now gathering to sue/litigate. The latest I believe is Sister Sledge who's decided to throw down.

[Economist101]

You don't own your songs. You only get a LICENSE to your song. Apple can turf your right in the song if it wants to. When you get a CD, you get a license to the song as well, but at least you have physical media that you have in your hand (pretty hard for record companies to come to your house and take the CD away...pretty easy for Apple to do).

Ah. So your claim is that Apple can invade my hard drive and remove iTunes music? And your basis for this is what? Your word?

[reeneebob]

Based on every school in my area of the world. The late 80's and 90's had Macs all over. Computer rooms with 30+ of those things. Even high school we had two computer classes packed full of macs. Maybe it wasn't that way in the States but up here every school was flooded with'em. Even nowadays the school system up here is buying up ipads for elementary schools.

I never saw a Mac until I saw one in a store. I entered highschool (located in Ontario) in 1988. All of our public schools had Commodore or Unix systems (fond memories of fiddling with the trackball).


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[Economist101]

You agreed to the terms of service. They hold the right to revoke at anytime.

Their right to change the terms of service does not include removing content from a user's hard drive. Nice try, but I'm fairly certain that between the two of us, I'm the only one with professional experience in contracts.

Economist don't get your face involved in my .02 cents brah.

I think ".02 cents" overstates things a bit.

[mike-berry]

Their right to change the terms of service does not include removing content from a user's hard drive. Nice try, but I'm fairly certain that between the two of us, I'm the only one with professional experience in contracts. Nice try, though.







I think ".02 cents" overstates things a bit.

Where did I say anything about going onto your hard drive? Revoking licenses ring a bell?

Must be hard to get around with a stick up your all the time. Go over to the apple fan boys site

Kthxbai

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[Economist101]

Where did I say anything about going onto your hard drive? Revoking licenses ring a bell?

They can revoke any "license" they want, it still won't stop me from using the music that's on my hard drive. In fact, the status of the license is irrelevant to me since it doesn't affect my usage. But feel free to keep trying to be right. Maybe you'll get there eventually.

Must be hard to get around with a stick up your all the time.

You tell me.

[mike-berry]

They can revoke any "license" they want, it still won't stop me from using the music that's on my hard drive. In fact, the status of the license is irrelevant to me since it doesn't affect my usage. But feel free to keep trying to be right. Maybe you'll get there eventually.







You tell me.

Not trying to be right. Just stating a point that after licenses being revoked legally you are not allowed to use it. I thought you knew stuff about law?

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[Economist101]

Not trying to be right. Just stating a point that after licenses being revoked legally you are not allowed to use it. I thought you knew stuff about law?

Well, if you knew about the law, you'd know that if Apple were to revoke my license in a way that prevented me from using the music which I legally purchased, they would also have to refund my money. Otherwise they'd be on the receiving end of a class action lawsuit with 200 million plaintiffs, each with a perfectly valid claim.

[mike-berry]

Well, if you knew about the law, you'd know that if Apple were to revoke my license in a way that prevented me from using the music which I legally purchased, they would also have to refund my money. Otherwise they'd be on the receiving end of a class action lawsuit with 200 million plaintiffs, each with a perfectly valid claim.

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?
Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?
Steam on computer, account gets banned you lose games you're gonna sue?

I suppose you're one of those people who careless of what they do and say "they didn't say anything about it so I can do it". Or "its not illegal if you get caught".

Going to sue a charity for not giving you a "perk" to donating even though your are "donating"?

What a society in which we live in which are so sue happy its unbelievable. Or doing things that are wrong but because its not explicitly stated, done anyway. Cmon sue people because termination of service even though you agree to the ToS. Your probably one of those people who make insurance so high because you claim a mistake done by you to be a hit and run. What ever works in your favor. Have at er' because that's all we need is more people like you.

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[Superfly_FR]

... and the question was "what's going on" ?
Looks like we've got S.E.O specialists here ...

[dandbj13]

I have never been an Apple fan. Steve Jobs had some extreme views on media ownership. He envisioned a world that no single person owned a song or movie. This is why you see a shift towards icloud. Steve wanted a world where you paid for a song/movie but you never really owned it. You were granted access to it but it was never yours. I can never support Apple for that main reason.

This feels tangential to the thread, but in the event it's on topic:

Steve Jobs didn't invent music licensing. He simply made it a viable business. In an open letter he famously wrote to the music industry, He made it clear that he never wanted DRM. He wanted unencumbered music for iTunes. It was the labels that refused to provide it. When they finally relented, they gave unencumbered music to everyone but Apple. Apple was the last to get it.

Speaking of licensed music that you don't technically own, tell me more about BBM Music?

[Vindicators]

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?
Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?
Steam on computer, account gets banned you lose games you're gonna sue?

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In customer POV, iTunes songs does not come with DRM, just like you buy a CD, you own it.
You should compare Steam, Xbox Live with music services like Spotify, Napster, Zune Pass

[kbz1960]

If companies and people are always too invested in a platform that means those people will never change to something different. We know that happens all the time so untrue.

[Economist101]

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?

A repossession generally arises from a debtor's failure to make payments; as per the contract, if the debtor enters default, the lender retains the right to repossess the vehicle. At last check, Apple doesn't accept monthly payment plans for individual songs, movies or television shows, so there is no ongoing payment required and thus no way an "iTunes song repossession" would occur because of the failure to make payments.

Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?

Again, MS doesn't just ban you because it's a Tuesday and they have a quota. From what I've read, it normally results from a member's own actions. Again, that's not what you're alleging here, which is that Apple could revoke someone's license and keep their money just because the EULA said so.

I suppose you're one of those people who careless of what they do and say "they didn't say anything about it so I can do it". Or "its not illegal if you get caught".

No, I'm not.

Going to sue a charity for not giving you a "perk" to donating even though your are "donating"?

Okay I don't see how this is at all similar to your premise.

What a society in which we live in which are so sue happy its unbelievable. Or doing things that are wrong but because its not explicitly stated, done anyway. Cmon sue people because termination of service even though you agree to the ToS. Your probably one of those people who make insurance so high because you claim a mistake done by you to be a hit and run. What ever works in your favor. Have at er' because that's all we need is more people like you.

Ah. So if your car is completely paid for, and your lender said "Surprise! We're going to take your car back because, you know, it's in the contract. Oh, and we're going to keep your money too," you would just let that happen because you're not "sue happy." Got it.

As for me making insurance high, I've gone ahead and attached a summary of my most recent auto insurance renewal. I apologize for the fading, but I had to print it, black over the identifying info, scan, print again, etc. At any rate, you'll note the date at the top right, the 6 month policy premium ($493.50) and the coverage (500/500/100 against the California legal limit of 15/30/5) as well as all my discounts and the absence of any "surcharges" (which is what you get when you have a point-inducing ticket or an at-fault accident). In other words, if by "people like [me]" you mean "people with more than adequate insurance who don't cause accidents and don't get tickets," I think most would agree you can't have too many of us.

[southlander]

At most, each school would have 1, maybe 2, Apple IIe machines just to play around with, but was never predominate in the school system.

I grew up in a very small rural area. Our whole high school only had like 500 students total. But I took a programming class using Apple II's (basic). We had about 12 of them in the classroom. 19...er 83-84. Apple did have a foothold. I remember back when they just about collapsed at the dawn of the web, one of the biggest stories in Mac vs. PC was how Dell was running around and getting schools to replace their Macs with PCs running Windows 95/98.

[sinsin07]

You don't legally own it. So let's say you vehicle gets repod your gonna sue the repo company for taking it?
Xbox you buy a game on your account and you get banned, your gonna sue for losing your game?
Steam on computer, account gets banned you lose games you're gonna sue?

I suppose you're one of those people who careless of what they do and say "they didn't say anything about it so I can do it". Or "its not illegal if you get caught".

Going to sue a charity for not giving you a "perk" to donating even though your are "donating"?

What a society in which we live in which are so sue happy its unbelievable. Or doing things that are wrong but because its not explicitly stated, done anyway. Cmon sue people because termination of service even though you agree to the ToS. Your probably one of those people who make insurance so high because you claim a mistake done by you to be a hit and run. What ever works in your favor. Have at er' because that's all we need is more people like you.

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Keyboards are a dangerous thing in the wrong hands.

[phoreoneone]

there were rumors surfacing around earlier that RIM would be opening their BES enterprise service up for other cell phone manufacturers. So maybe governments are getting ready for androids/apple devices to be transferred on to this "network"

[Superfly_FR]

there were rumors surfacing around earlier that RIM would be opening their BES enterprise service up for other cell phone manufacturers. So maybe governments are getting ready for androids/apple devices to be transferred on to this "network"

It's not rumor, it's officially announced here : BlackBerry - Mobile Fusion - Manage BlackBerry Apple iOS & Android Devices
And yes, most likely, loyal users will use this platform to open securely their networks to other brands/systems, which means, somehow, "yes, apple/ Android can help RIM"

[fernandez21]

After reading the last couple of posts, yes "what's going on" was exactly what was on my mind.

[Rootbrian]

They'll know when they've made the mistake and once they do, they will regret it. The US companies that is. Poor choices are made even by the smartest/most intelligent of people. Just my thoughts.