What makes iphone so successful?
- Well if a feature rich, cleverly designed and thought out method of effective and efficient input and navigation with more than one way to achieve your goal is considered complicated, then you are who Apple is targeting with their simple and braindead approach.
That's not a bad thing if most people are technology frightened, and hindered in that regard.
I don't find any of the OS's out there difficult. Zero.
Posted via CB1011-09-16 08:26 AMLike 0 - I've previously read insider posts who've said that BB10 was originally intended to have a BBOS runtime (either in place of, or in addition to, Android). There were problems, and the BBOS RT never came... and, as you say, BB threw 80M BB users under the bus.
I suspect BB would have been in a different reality if they'd been able to bring a significant number of those BBOS guys along. Though I doubt it would have changed the ending, merely postponed it, as BB10 still wouldn't have had the extensive App ecosystem that the world seemingly demands.
Maybe if that BBOS Runtime had included all the features of BIS.....JeepBB likes this.11-09-16 08:52 AMLike 1 - So did I. iOS 3.0 made the 3G horrible. Apple got slammed and they released subsequent versions and iOS 4 that made the phone quite usable again. I still have mine which I occasionally boot for nostalgia's sake. Can't do much with 1 hour battery . But oh, how I love how that phone feels in the hand. Still the best design ever.11-09-16 11:43 AMLike 0
- Remember, that Apple went to every carrier but could only get AT&T, then not the major US carrier (23% market share), to carry the iPhone with a five year exclusive deal. That doesn't sound like they had money and economies of scale on their side - that belonged to Palm, Nokia, Microsoft, and BlackBerry and the other major carriers. BlackBerry had years to come up with something for its Verizon customers with the full support of the dominant US carriers.
As far as Android is concerned, the HTC dream was launched only on T-Mobile in 2008 - hardly a power move by Google.11-09-16 11:47 AMLike 0 - Well if a feature rich, cleverly designed and thought out method of effective and efficient input and navigation with more than one way to achieve your goal is considered complicated, then you are who Apple is targeting with their simple and braindead approach.
That's not a bad thing if most people are technology frightened, and hindered in that regard.
I don't find any of the OS's out there difficult. Zero.
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So before you call someone a part of a simple and brain-dead marketing approach, make sure you understand what was said and why it was said.11-09-16 05:24 PMLike 4 -
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- Yeah I doubt a runtime to allow users to run their "old" BBOS apps would have made much of a difference.... I don't think it was the apps or investment into the BBOS ecosystem that held back users. It was the REASON they bought a BlackBerry to begin with..... BIS, and all the features it brought to early networks still in use in most of the developing world. Without BIS, a BlackBerry (BB10) was just another smartphone. Had much the same features as any other smartphone - data plans cost the same, battery life was the same (or worse), data usage was the same. But prices were higher (no sub $100 phones), and apps... well if you wanted them, they were there. Yes BB10 might have been "secure" or at least more securable with an EMM... but was that really THE reasons many bought a BlackBerry to began with?
Maybe if that BBOS Runtime had included all the features of BIS.....
Knew lots of people who were happy to dump BBOS, get a more action packed phone and dump the $10/mo BIS surcharge.11-10-16 01:48 PMLike 0 -
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But for those in what was "developing markets".... I thin the data compression and non SMS messaging was what made a BlackBerry the must have device.... again thank to BIS. But again, that has been greatly diminished as those networks have modernized and as other messaging apps came to the forefront.
In the long.... BIS was not going to keep selling phones anyway.
Now what some here want to talk about is security.... I think the number of people that bought strictly for the security, was pretty small. And most of them have learn that the security isn't what they taught it was. Corporate Security with management... great. Plan on BBM, Email and Phone... not so great.LuvULongTime and blackmass like this.11-10-16 02:41 PMLike 2 - My only beef is with people who wish for alternative platforms to die because of stupid reasons like it's too complicated for most people as if everyone has the same needs. It has nothing to do with bb10 but with all the players (Palm, Nokia, and so on) who never really had a fair chance in the first place.
But I'm the type who pulls for the underdogs.
They are underdogs now but certainly not at that time. Apple were the underdogs, was you rooting for them then?11-12-16 02:42 PMLike 3 - Correct me if I'm wrong but when Apple jumped into the phone market Nokia were the biggest phone company in the world. Nokia didn't just a have a fair chance, they were leaps and bounds ahead of Apple at that point. Blackberry were exactly the same.
They are underdogs now but certainly not at that time. Apple were the underdogs, was you rooting for them then?11-12-16 03:16 PMLike 0 - Nokia, Palm, HTC, and Blackberry were only in the phone business and none ever had a monopoly over each other. Apple wasn't an underdog they had far more money in the bank, a desktop os they could use, and a monopoly in the music player market. Same for Google, Samsung, and Microsoft so yes they were the underdog just as Sega had no chance once Microsoft wanted a piece of the video game market. Blackberry, HTC, and Nintendo are still kicking but they aren't on a level playing field.
If you wanna claim it's just because of Apples money might than go ahead but Microsoft should be number 2 based on the money theyve thrown away on it surely?11-12-16 07:31 PMLike 0 - Microsoft didn't make it in the phone business because the top 2 were already Apple and Google. If the top 2 were anyone else they would have but whatever. Just worship the mega corporations.11-12-16 08:06 PMLike 0
- Are you serious right now? Windows Mobile OS was around long before Apple and Android. Plus IIRC the first WP7 phones came out in 2010 (I remember looking at the HTC HD7). Symbian was still on top then, and iOS was probably still behind BlackBerry at that point. You don't get to rewrite history to cater to your agenda.11-13-16 09:45 AMLike 6
- Are you serious right now? Windows Mobile OS was around long before Apple and Android. Plus IIRC the first WP7 phones came out in 2010 (I remember looking at the HTC HD7). Symbian was still on top then, and iOS was probably still behind BlackBerry at that point. You don't get to rewrite history to cater to your agenda.11-13-16 10:14 AMLike 4
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I was using touch screen devices that allowed app installations 2 years before the iPhone was released. Xda, you know the huge developer community for Android, is named after the Xda which is a Windows OS phone released originally in 2002. Windows had at least 5 years of a head start on Apple. And had all the desktop might and huge bank balance, also to had their own music players and own software suites that you are claiming gave Apple the advantage.
And even then Nokia was still number one.
Would you like salt with them grapes?pantlesspenguin and JeepBB like this.11-13-16 01:26 PMLike 2 - Are you serious right now? Windows Mobile OS was around long before Apple and Android. Plus IIRC the first WP7 phones came out in 2010 (I remember looking at the HTC HD7). Symbian was still on top then, and iOS was probably still behind BlackBerry at that point. You don't get to rewrite history to cater to your agenda.
Having the supposed head start is what actually killed them as they had a legacy OS to support just like Palm, Blackberry, and Nokia. They didn't have a fresh start like Apple and Google. Man some of you guys are just ignorant of technology.Last edited by matt4pack; 11-13-16 at 02:05 PM.
11-13-16 01:47 PMLike 0 -
Some of you people have no critical thinking abilities. But keep loving the mega corps with hundreds of billions and who starting the outsourcing of everything to China. You see the result now.Last edited by matt4pack; 11-13-16 at 02:42 PM.
11-13-16 02:02 PMLike 0 - WP7 was not a modern OS. It was based on WindowsCE which was a legacy OS. They didn't move to the NT kernel in mobile until long after ios and android were already dominant.
Having the supposed head start is what actually killed them as they had a legacy OS to support just like Palm, Blackberry, and Nokia. They didn't have a fresh start like Apple and Google. Man some of you guys a just ignorant of technology acting like WP7 was a modern OS.
You are the one claiming they were bullying the little guys with pure money might. When in fact they were the little guys with zero phone experience and they succeeded because they had better ideas.
The others didn't act fast enough and got left behind. Nothing to do with bullying. The little guys become the big guns and took over. They made the specialists look silly.JeepBB likes this.11-13-16 02:07 PMLike 1 - That's what we have been saying. They came in with a fresh start and ideas.
You are the one claiming they were bullying the little guys with pure money might. When in fact they were the little guys with zero phone experience and they succeeded because they had better ideas.
The others didn't act fast enough and got left behind. Nothing to do with bullying. The little guys become the big guns and took over. They made the specialists look silly.11-13-16 02:15 PMLike 0 - And as I've said that's a whole lot easier when you don't have to worry about your legacy users and pretty much unlimited money to fund your new endeavor or as you call it fresh ideals. Sorry but Google and Apple were never the little guys. Maybe just in the phone business but they were already tech heavyweights. They were both much larger and with many more resources.
Apple is pretty much the reason today why we have a smartphone market like it currently is.11-13-16 02:23 PMLike 3
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