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  1. Bratza's Avatar
    Using VPN in the UAE? You'll Be Fined Up To $545,000 If Get Caught!

    If you get caught using a VPN (Virtual Private Network) in Abu Dhabi, Dubai and the broader of United Arab Emirates (UAE), you could face temporary imprisonment and fines of up to $545,000 (~Dhs2 Million).
    The law prohibits anyone, including travelers from using VPN/proxy. Online VoIP services are also banned.

    Does this prohibition include BlackBerry services, such as BBM and BIS/BES services?!

    Maybe it's time to consider which apps/phone are you (not) going to use if you are visiting UAE anytime soon.

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    07-30-16 09:27 AM
  2. piflintstone's Avatar
    Alternatively it is time to consider which countries to visit or not. At least as long as you are not forced to.
    However, my company is still using VPN and tunneled connections, so I would consider businesses to be exempt from this. Might be something that only applies to locals or private persons.
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    07-30-16 09:58 AM
  3. anon(1852343)'s Avatar
    One less place to visit

    Blackberry Passport Running 10.3.2.2813
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    07-30-16 10:45 AM
  4. Sairos's Avatar
    According to the law,

    “Whoever uses a fraudulent computer network protocol address (IP address) by using a false address or a third-party address by any other means for the purpose of committing a crime or preventing its discovery, shall be punished by temporary imprisonment and a fine of no less than Dh500,000 (USD 136,000.) and not exceeding Dh2,000,000, or either of these two penalties.”

    You should be fine unless you're committing a crime or breaking the law through the use of a VPN.. Please report the full picture when bringing such news.
    07-30-16 11:38 AM
  5. Sairos's Avatar
    One less place to visit

    Blackberry Passport Running 10.3.2.2813
    One more misleading thread would be more accurate.
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    07-30-16 11:53 AM
  6. thurask's Avatar
    According to the law,

    Whoever uses a fraudulent computer network protocol address (IP address) by using a false address or a third-party address by any other means for the purpose of committing a crime or preventing its discovery, shall be punished by temporary imprisonment and a fine of no less than Dh500,000 (USD 136,000.) and not exceeding Dh2,000,000, or either of these two penalties.

    You should be fine unless you're committing a crime or breaking the law through the use of a VPN.. Please report the full picture when bringing such news.
    Of course, this is the UAE, so what they define as a crime the rest of the world can define as freedom of belief.
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    07-30-16 12:40 PM
  7. Sairos's Avatar
    Of course, this is the UAE, so what they define as a crime the rest of the world can define as freedom of belief.
    What kind of freedom of belief that you need a VPN for?.. Did someone say Porn sites are banned there or something, because its not xD.. This law is set for cyber-crime specifically.. You use the VPN without committing a cyber-crime then you're good..

    Regarding "what they define as a crime the rest of the world can define as a freedom of belief".. Every country has its own traditions and beliefs.. No one is right and no one is wrong.. Everyone has to follow the rules of the respective country he is in.. That's how civil humans co-exist.
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    07-30-16 02:08 PM
  8. thurask's Avatar
    Regarding "what they define as a crime the rest of the world can define as a freedom of belief".. Every country has its own traditions and beliefs.. No one is right and no one is wrong.. Everyone has to follow the rules of the respective country he is in.. That's how civil humans co-exist.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma..._Arab_Emirates

    I'm pretty sure executing atheists and gays just for being who they are is wrong.

    Anyway, repressive Sharia dictatorship is repressive, news at 11.
    07-30-16 02:18 PM
  9. Sairos's Avatar
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma..._Arab_Emirates

    I'm pretty sure executing atheists and gays just for being who they are is wrong.

    Anyway, repressive Sharia dictatorship is repressive, news at 11.
    You Need a VPN to be an atheist or Gay?

    Again, Every country has its own traditions and beliefs.. Their bloody business.. Not ours.. They're free to do what they want to do..

    Sharia law is part of their religion.. So if you think their religion or part of its law is repressive dictatorship, then whatever mate.. I want you to notice the difference between religion and what humans who follow this religion do.. Just because their kings of doom do something, it doesn't mean this religion dictates it.. The funniest thing is, this specific religion forbids Kings and the inheritance of power as a way of ruling the state.. Yet some of these countries have Kings, princes & queens.. So lets separate humans from religions.

    In the US, some states legitimatize weed.. Other countries don't.. Now who is right and who is wrong.. Is weed right or is it wrong? In the US at a certain point they thought its wrong, now they've changed their minds.. So nothing is right and nothing is wrong.. Everyone has his own opinion.. All Countries should be respected with their traditions, beliefs and culture.. Just because theirs are different than ours, doesn't mean we're right and they're wrong or they're right and we're wrong.
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    07-30-16 02:29 PM
  10. crackbb10's Avatar
    OMG! Are we really doing this?
    07-30-16 02:32 PM
  11. Mohammed Kamran's Avatar
    Two telecoms companies ( Etisalat and Du) don't want free calling in UAE. First they blocked free calling feature from all apps and now VPN is illegal, it's just a business.

    Posted via CB10
    07-31-16 03:25 AM
  12. Sairos's Avatar
    Two telecoms companies ( Etisalat and Du) don't want free calling in UAE. First they blocked free calling feature from all apps and now VPN is illegal, it's just a business.

    Posted via CB10
    The UAE President was the one who issued the law to combat cyber-crimes.

    Free Calling in certain apps is different from the Use of VPN, that's a business decision alright but the VPN thing is not.. As VPNs don't hurt telecommunications companies.. Even if you change your IP address, you won't be able to bypass them and do free calling.
    07-31-16 05:53 AM
  13. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    Free Calling in certain apps is different from the Use of VPN, that's a business decision alright but the VPN thing is not.. As VPNs don't hurt telecommunications companies.. Even if you change your IP address, you won't be able to bypass them and do free calling.
    VPN's make user traffic opaque to the telcos.
    They certainly can be used to subvert their attempts to thwart VoIP.
    07-31-16 11:25 AM
  14. Sairos's Avatar
    VPN's make user traffic opaque to the telcos.
    They certainly can be used to subvert their attempts to thwart VoIP.
    The Apps that have free calling disable the ability to use it.. Even if you use a VPN you won't be able to bypass it.. If the App doesn't disable it, the app won't be allowed to operate in the country.. I've been in countries that ban free calls, your account is linked with a phone number and so they easily know where you're.. For instance WhatsApp shows you a very nice message saying "Whatsapp Calling is unavailable in your country".. VPN all you want, won't change anything..

    Again, this has nothing to do with the telcos and everything to do with cyber-crime and the hike of terrorist activity and recruiting by ISIS on the web, specially at this part of the world.
    07-31-16 11:35 AM
  15. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    The Apps that have free calling disable the ability to use it.. Even if you use a VPN you won't be able to bypass it.. If the App doesn't disable it, the app won't be allowed to operate in the country.. I've been in countries that ban free calls, your account is linked with a phone number and so they easily know where you're.. For instance WhatsApp shows you a very nice message saying "Whatsapp Calling is unavailable in your country".. VPN all you want, won't change anything..

    Again, this has nothing to do with the telcos and everything to do with cyber-crime and the hike of terrorist activity and recruiting by ISIS on the web, specially at this part of the world.
    So I can't run a sip client with my traffic tunnelled?
    07-31-16 11:44 AM
  16. Sairos's Avatar
    So I can't run a sip client with my traffic tunnelled?
    You buy an android device, Playstore comes configured with your country and can't be changed, The apps that are downloaded already have your location locked on and optimized for your country.. You've the app linked to your phone number which has the telco's country code.. Run a sip client, Run a deal with the devil.. Won't work.

    And yeah the average emirate citizen knows how to run a sip client and so that's why they banned VPNs xD.
    07-31-16 11:53 AM
  17. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    You buy an android device, Playstore comes configured with your country and can't be changed, The apps that are downloaded already have your location locked on and optimized for your country.. You've the app linked to your phone number which has the telco's country code.. Run a sip client, Run a deal with the devil.. Won't work.
    Get a phone with a different country code.
    The app is not linked to your phone number, the phone itself is not even linked to your phone number.
    07-31-16 11:59 AM
  18. Sairos's Avatar
    Get a phone with a different country code.
    The app is not linked to your phone number, the phone itself is not even linked to your phone number.
    Phone with a different country code? SIM you mean, SIM mate.. The App is linked to my SIM number (That's what I mean by phone number).. How do you get your Whatsapp or VIPER or any app working without a number?.. And what about Google Playstore, should they order the phones from another country too?.. With another SIM.. In what country will people do this.. I had another SIM in all these countries and it didn't work.. Even connected to a Wifi from a lap that's running a Socks5 proxy with all the good stuff...

    Please understand this, The AVERAGE CITIZEN won't do all what you're saying.. so no way they're blocking it because of this.. This is our main topic..
    07-31-16 12:03 PM
  19. Mohammed Kamran's Avatar
    It's all about telecom business, read the article.


    http://www.emirates247.com/business/...04-09-1.626556

    Posted via CB10
    07-31-16 12:16 PM
  20. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    You buy an android device, Playstore comes configured with your country and can't be changed

    Phone with a different country code?
    I was referring back to your earlier quote.

    SIM you mean, SIM mate.. The App is linked to my SIM number (That's what I mean by phone number).. How do you get your Whatsapp or VIPER or any app working without a number?
    I wasn't talking about either of those options.
    I was talking about using a sip client which is not bound to your sim or your phone number or your device.

    .. And what about Google Playstore, should they order the phones from another country too?
    Yes.

    .. With another SIM.. In what country will people do this.. I had another SIM in all these countries and it didn't work.. Even connected to a Wifi from a lap that's running a Socks5 proxy with all the good stuff...

    Please understand this, The AVERAGE CITIZEN won't do all what you're saying.. so no way they're blocking it because of this.. This is our main topic..
    The telcos want to protect their vertical integration.
    The government wants to be able to snoop on all traffic.
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    07-31-16 12:18 PM
  21. Sairos's Avatar
    It's all about telecom business, read the article.


    Etisalat, Du block Snapchat voice, video calls; VPN illegal - Emirates 24|7

    Posted via CB10
    Screw the article, its not a religious text.. the average user doesn't know about VPNs.. They're not blocking it for that..
    07-31-16 12:24 PM
  22. Sairos's Avatar
    I was referring back to your earlier quote.



    I wasn't talking about either of those options.
    I was talking about using a sip client which is not bound to your sim or your phone number or your device.



    Yes.



    The telcos want to protect their vertical integration.
    The government wants to be able to snoop on all traffic.
    You want people to order their phones from another country? Whatever, your opinion.. SIP client that's not bound to any of that, how does it help me run free voice calling on an app that's f***** connected to my sim card that's downloaded from the Playstore with the country well known.. and if you're not talking about all of that why did you say phone number, in reply to my quote that was all about phone numbers..

    All in dude, people (Majority) don't use VPNs.. And no one even knows what SIP clients are, let alone running them.. So keep talking about it all day long.. Govs can snoop on all traffic even if you use a VPN.. The NSA certainly does.. VPNs are BS and are the weakest way to hide your IP address.. Ebay can get your country even if you're running a VPN.
    07-31-16 12:27 PM
  23. Mohammed Kamran's Avatar
    According to wikipedia , 1.4 million are Emirati citizens and 7.8 million are expatriates, it means those 7.8 million needs SIP clients and free calling apps to connect with their families. And yes everyone know about VPN. It's not secret anymore.

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    07-31-16 12:51 PM
  24. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    Free Calling in certain apps is different from the Use of VPN, that's a business decision alright but the VPN thing is not.. As VPNs don't hurt telecommunications companies.. Even if you change your IP address, you won't be able to bypass them and do free calling.
    You claimed that use of a VPN would not allow a user to make free calls and I have shown that it can.

    You want people to order their phones from another country? Whatever, your opinion.. SIP client that's not bound to any of that, how does it help me run free voice calling on an app that's f***** connected to my sim card that's downloaded from the Playstore with the country well known.. and if you're not talking about all of that why did you say phone number, in reply to my quote that was all about phone numbers..
    I am not nor ever was talking about free calling that is connected to a sim card.

    All in dude, people (Majority) don't use VPNs.. And no one even knows what SIP clients are, let alone running them.. So keep talking about it all day long.. Govs can snoop on all traffic even if you use a VPN.. The NSA certainly does.. VPNs are BS and are the weakest way to hide your IP address.. Ebay can get your country even if you're running a VPN.
    Yes they can snoop even if you use a VPN but it is much harder.
    I am not talking about hiding your ip address I am talking about encapsulating and encrypting your traffic across the internet within the country that is trying to thwart VoIP.
    Why are you frothing at the mouth about this?
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    07-31-16 12:52 PM
  25. Sairos's Avatar
    You claimed that use of a VPN would not allow a user to make free calls and I have shown that it can.



    I am not nor ever was talking about free calling that is connected to a sim card.



    Yes they can snoop even if you use a VPN but it is much harder.
    I am not talking about hiding your ip address I am talking about encapsulating and encrypting your traffic across the internet within the country that is trying to thwart VoIP.
    Why are you frothing at the mouth about this?
    I used a VPN and it didn't work.. So you didn't show me anything.. Go to one of these countries, use a VPN, make the free calls from whatsapp or any other app then show me, I'll believe you.. Actions, not words..

    I was talking about the free calls made from Apps connected to your sim cards and I clearly stated so over and over, if you misunderstood me then its not my problem..

    Much Harder? Well that's your opinion.. I disagree and lets leave it there.. Your opinion, mine and we're hitting the Berlin wall here.. I'm not frothing at anything..

    I'm telling you The average citizen can't do all what you're saying.. So their Gov hasn't blocked VPNs because of this..... As a matter of fact, the GOV didn't block VPNs at all.. They said its illegal to use it to commit a crime.. Using it to bypass telcos and do free calls is not a crime and won't do you any harm.. This my main point in this discussion.. This is what I'm talking about..
    Last edited by Superfly_FR; 08-01-16 at 11:49 AM.
    07-31-16 12:57 PM
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