[fishlove73]

I do shop online without issue and I have used these in the past.


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Then I went to the one one the left, didn't require me to root it for a little bit of privacy.


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[fishlove73]

There are links I posted in the thread...search for them. You asked for proof....I gave it to you in the form of links and you come back with more hot air and no proof of your own. Google is a borg spy machine man...your lost if you can't or won't accept it.

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[fishlove73]

I never have "fell" for anything... it was just an example and others have been scammed...not me LOL.

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[MarsupilamiX]

I do shop online without issue and I have used these in the past.


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Then I went to the one one the left, didn't require me to root it for a little bit of privacy.


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So you confuse Privacy and Security....
Read BlackBerry's terms of use.
It's the topic of the thread.
They are harvesting your data just as much.

And the moment you use Android apps (and apps in general), your expectation of privacy just disappeared. It flew out of the window.

If you want to talk about these subjects, I would highly suggest you inform yourself better, because it's clear as day that your opinions, don't hold up to facts. Not even for 1 second....

Your love for BlackBerry seems to blind you to a rather worrisome degree, and apparently to the point where you have to invent things like: BlackBerry has your privacy in mind.
Saying that, shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what and who BlackBerry is.

BlackBerry provides services for Enterprises, to monitor their workforce. The whole point of BES was never privacy, it was security.
BES has options to log everything, from the browser history, to BBM conversation. If anything, BlackBerries were designed to monitor employees. Which is the the 180 degree polar opposite of privacy.

But hey, don't let facts destroy your romanticised view of BlackBerry.

[fishlove73]

1) there isn't a business app that isn't avail in Blackberry world or not already on my device. Blackberry world could be called an ecosystem although rather small...but they are NOT android apps. I have the option to install Android Apps but nothing more...it's an option.
2) Apps on apple and droid do require unnecessary permissions...if YOU have used either you would know this. You have to root and jailbreak those devices for any kind of privacy.
3) you can joke at my expense all you want, doesn't change anything on my end.
4) I used to use google in the beginning when they had a "no evil " policy...do you remember that? Then they did a complete 180 and went into collecting and sharing mode.

There is nothing tinfoil about wanting privacy and security and Banning the invasive nature of Google and Apple so don't be all **** hurt because I make efforts to kick them out of my devices.

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[MarsupilamiX]

There are links I posted in the thread...search for them. You asked for proof....I gave it to you in the form of links and you come back with more hot air and no proof of your own. Google is a borg spy machine man...your lost if you can't or won't accept it.

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1) quote the post you are replying to.
It's standard forum �tiquette, since conversations are hard to follow.

2) If you don't know that BlackBerry shares consumer conversations with Law enforcement, if you don't know that scrambling is far worse than encryption and if you don't know that the consumer BBM is one of the most insecure messengers on the market...

Why would I do the work for you, provide you links and try to help you to leave the stage of complete ignorance you are in?
You want to stop being ignorant? Well, Bing, Yahoo and what not will help you.
I surely won't do the work to actually search for those links, when I have to converse with an irrational fanboy.

Leaving the stade of ignorance is something one must decide for himself, I have no intention to help you in that regard.

[fishlove73]

I have read and set up my devices after using other platforms and ecosystems and yes...they do have my privacy in mind and have given me reason to switch. If you want other like minded individuals go over to Android central rather than trying to convince me. I mean...do you work for google or something?? Why do you feel the need to come into a Blackberry forum and say blackberry is not about privacy and security when it has been proven by people and whole governments that it is secure? There are countries that ban Blackberrys because the can't spy on their owners. This is all documented on paper and online so I will not post anymore links. Each to their own right?

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[MarsupilamiX]

1) there isn't a business app that isn't avail in Blackberry world or not already on my device. Blackberry world could be called an ecosystem although rather small...but they are NOT android apps. I have the option to install Android Apps but nothing more...it's an option.
2) Apps on apple and droid do require unnecessary permissions...if YOU have used either you would know this. You have to root and jailbreak those devices for any kind of privacy.
3) you can joke at my expense all you want, doesn't change anything on my end.
4) I used to use google in the beginning when they had a "no evil " policy...do you remember that? Then they did a complete 180 and went into collecting and sharing mode.

There is nothing tinfoil about wanting privacy and security and Banning the invasive nature of Google and Apple so don't be all **** hurt because I make efforts to kick them out of my devices.

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And now comes the point where I will clarify something to you...

You are correct when you say that Google doesn't profit from privacy and that they need to be intrusive.

The one good point 4), where I agree with you, totally gets destroyed by your lack of knowledge and your fanboyism towards BlackBerry.

But 2) Apple permissions are editable. Granular. Just like native BB10 apps.
No difference here. (lack of knowledge once again. Look, you can like BlackBerry all you want. But don't invent things. Like consumer BBM being secure or that BlackBerry has your privacy in mind. Those are strictly lies, from your part)

1) Saying that there are all the business apps, in BBW, shows your huge disconnect with reality once again.
iOS and Android both dominate the Enterprise. With a huge part being because if ecosystem and apps.
Medical apps? Basically iOS only for example.
And then there are a lot of other business apps, you'll never find in BBW but in the Play Store.

You want one of the most easiest examples?
Microsoft Office and Google Hangouts.
And that's not even specialised software. When it comes down to specialised software, BBW is a wasteland. Not even talking about custom apps. Most custom business apps are iOS or Android, not BlackBerry.

It's 2015. The 1st quarter nearly passed as well.
Your mentality is live out of Waterloo, circa 2006.
Arguing about the app or ecosystem situation and saying that BlackBerry has no problem??? Even Chen admitted it. Even the CEO said that he might not be able to compete, withtout a better ecosystem and wrote a letter to Congress, basically begging for apps?

Weclome to 2015.

[MarsupilamiX]

I have read and set up my devices after using other platforms and ecosystems and yes...they do have my privacy in mind and have given me reason to switch. If you want other like minded individuals go over to Android central rather than trying to convince me. I mean...do you work for google or something?? Why do you feel the need to come into a Blackberry forum and say blackberry is not about privacy and security when it has been proven by people and whole governments that it is secure? There are countries that ban Blackberrys because the can't spy on their owners. This is all documented on paper and online so I will not post anymore links. Each to their own right?

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You don't understand the difference between a BlackBerry on BES and a BlackBerry not connected to BES, do you?
Consumer BBM, the one not on BES, is easily spied on by law enforcement and BlackBerry even actively helps law enforcement to spy on their citizens.
And yes, this is all documented on paper.
A BlackBerry without BES isn't that much better than an Android or Apple.

BlackBerry does not have your privacy in mind. Read the terms of service.
And as was said before, the point of a BlackBerry was to monitor employees.
Monitoring employees is the exact opposite of providing privacy. Do I really have to explain that?

And to answer the boring question, of the why am I here....
Probably because my private phone is a BlackBerry, while my business phone is an HTC.
But there seems to be a pretty big difference between us:
I can have a BlackBerry, and keep the sense for reality. I can have a BlackBerry, yet appreciate the truth. And I can like BlackBerry, yet I can be critical of it.

Android Central? I don't even like Android. Actually, I'd probably never buy an Android from my own money willingly again (I'd land at iMore). But what I like even less than Android, are misinformed fanboys who spout misinformation.

Btw, you seem to be mistaken.
I am not trying to convince you. Convincing someone who has opinions so strong that he ignores facts, is a waste of time.
I am just correcting your misinformed posts.
As was said before, the stage of ignorance can only be left by ones own desire.

[fishlove73]

Google hangouts is way to invasive for me... and scans and records in a similar fashion as with Gmail. No company with trade secrets or any individual who wants privacy would want that. My passport has zero issues with MS office docs. I like it better than the Second Gen Nexus 7 I had...because not only is it a good communication tool...but it's more portable. Docs to Go works pretty good I think. I can scan portable and send as PDF, scan barcodes etc...

I can see some of your points, I'm just a privacy nut and it's nice not having Google on a device for a change and NEVER having to use Odin again....

I just feel for people who have not used BlackBerry for awhile or just get their info from the web on it are not in a position to slam without using it. I have a reference point because I used droids from 2.3- lollipop and apple through 4s and found bennifits with Blackberry. I have not had to use SNAP or do anything to it to get it to do what I need or want.

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[fishlove73]

You don't understand the difference between a BlackBerry on BES and a BlackBerry not connected to BES, do you?
Consumer BBM, the one not on BES, is easily spied on by law enforcement and BlackBerry even actively helps law enforcement to spy on their citizens.
And yes, this is all documented on paper.
A BlackBerry without BES isn't that much better than an Android or Apple.

BlackBerry does not have your privacy in mind. Read the terms of service.
And as was said before, the point of a BlackBerry was to monitor employees.
Monitoring employees is the exact opposite of providing privacy. Do I really have to explain that?

And to answer the boring question, of the why am I here....
Probably because my private phone is a BlackBerry, while my business phone is an HTC.
But there seems to be a pretty big difference between us:
I can have a BlackBerry, and keep the sense for reality. I can have a BlackBerry, yet appreciate the truth. And I can like BlackBerry, yet I can be critical of it.

Android Central? I don't even like Android. Actually, I'd probably never buy an Android from my own money willingly again (I'd land at iMore). But what I like even less than Android, are misinformed fanboys who spout misinformation.

Btw, you seem to be mistaken.
I am not trying to convince you. Convincing someone who has opinions so strong that he ignores facts, is a waste of time.
I am just correcting your misinformed posts.
As was said before, the stage of ignorance can only be left by ones own desire.

http://www.blackberryos.com/content/...ry-stand-6205/

"Our favorite smartphone maker has a pretty strict policy when it comes to sharing any of your personal data in most areas of the world, it just doesn't. In fact, BlackBerry's regular customer (non-BES) encryption is so good, it's been called too secure for certain countries in the world, like India and the UAE. "

And contrary to what others have said...I don't get any ADS using BBM...I have never received a pop up in the middle of sending a message....if I did, I would stop using it.

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[MarsupilamiX]

http://www.blackberryos.com/content/...ry-stand-6205/

"Our favorite smartphone maker has a pretty strict policy when it comes to sharing any of your personal data in most areas of the world, it just doesn't. In fact, BlackBerry's regular customer (non-BES) encryption is so good, it's been called too secure for certain countries in the world, like India and the UAE. "

And contrary to what others have said...I don't get any ADS using BBM...I have never received a pop up in the middle of sending a message....if I did, I would stop using it.

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1) non BES BBM doesn't use encryption.
The article is factually false at that level already.

2) BlackBerry shares the data of non-BES users with governments around the world.
Especially the UAE and India are perfect examples for this behaviour.

So your article is factually wrong on both accounts.
Like, completely wrong.

Never seen an ad though as well.

[MarsupilamiX]

Google hangouts is way to invasive for me... and scans and records in a similar fashion as with Gmail. No company with trade secrets or any individual who wants privacy would want that. My passport has zero issues with MS office docs. I like it better than the Second Gen Nexus 7 I had...because not only is it a good communication tool...but it's more portable. Docs to Go works pretty good I think. I can scan portable and send as PDF, scan barcodes etc...

Hangouts has become one of the standard communication apps in enterprises.
Same as G-mail.
Google has its own very popular enterprise suite, and if you believe that important businesses use or don't use them isn't the point.
The point is, that in our current reality, the Google enterprise suite is incredibly successful and is widely used.

Docs to Go is not Microsoft office and that's also the reason why I took it as an easy example.
The "toys" have the most used business suite (Ms Office) available in their app stores, BlackBerry has not.
We use the Cloud office, thus we use the Ms Office app. Simply because of Office, we could have stopped using BlackBerries.
But since there are around 4-15 apps (dependent on the department) mandatory apps (office being one of them) that we use in the Enterprise, every smartphone platform who can't handle those, will be dismissed.

So yeah "no company...... Will use Gmail and Hangouts" is simply wrong.
Those are very successful business products, even if you can't see that.

I can see some of your points, I'm just a privacy nut and it's nice not having Google on a device for a change and NEVER having to use Odin again....

That's great. I can also understand your dislike for Google, as I don't like them myself a lot either.

I just feel for people who have not used BlackBerry for awhile or just get their info from the web on it are not in a position to slam without using it. I have a reference point because I used droids from 2.3- lollipop and apple through 4s and found bennifits with Blackberry. I have not had to use SNAP or do anything to it to get it to do what I need or want.

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That's very altruistic of you, but you can bet that people would search for alternatives if they'd actually be that unhappy with their phones.
Just like they ditched BBOS the moment they could, they'd ditch Android and iOS, if something better would come around the corner.
What we can surely say though, is that BB10 obviously isn't great enough to even endanger WP8...

[Superdupont 2_0]

Consumer BBM, the one not on BES, is easily spied on by law enforcement and BlackBerry even actively helps law enforcement to spy on their citizens.

BlackBerry does not have your privacy in mind. Read the terms of service.

Although I agree that BBM isn't encrypted end-to-end, I have to disagree with the word "actively".
Yep, like EVERY internet service provider in the world, BlackBerry must assist LEA when a warrant has been issued and that's what they indicate in their terms.
Without a warrant the BBM messages won't stay on their servers, that's also stated in their terms.

So, for people who are working for example for Suisse banks or other, err, legal innocent business entities which are sometimes in conflict with authorities due to terrible cultural misunderstandings, consumer BBM is perhaps not the best choice.

On the other hand, if your personal risk assessment indicates that a warrant is highly unlikely, then consumer BBM is secure (enough).
You might find this interesting: https://blog.blackphone.ch/2014/08/04/bbm-unprotected/

Obviously BlackBerry did a very good job when they implemented the TLS for cross-platform BBM (on top of the scrambling).
So for me, as long as my privacy is sufficiently protected by law, then BBM is secure (d by law).
The Snowden leaks aren't indicating that BBM is misused for mass surveillance by the way, probably because one can't issue easily warrants for all 80 Million BBM users (?).







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[fishlove73]

If you read the article you would realize non BBM does have some security.

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[tchocky77]

If you read the article you would realize non BBM does have some security.

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Like iMessage?

iMessage is end-to-end encrypted. You are correct. iMessage is secure BECAUSE it isn't BBM.

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[byex]

Like iMessage?

iMessage is end-to-end encrypted. You are correct. iMessage is secure BECAUSE it isn't BBM.

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Was iMessage hacked not too long ago?


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[tchocky77]

Was iMessage hacked not too long ago?


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No?

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[fishlove73]

Yes...there servers were hacked. Nude celeb photos...lol. They will be looking to BlackBerry servers again... Just like Sony did after the North Korea fiasco. Samsung needed server end help for their KNOX system so anything similar would not happen.

Brought to you by an overpriced carrier.

[Tre Lawrence]

Yes...there servers were hacked. Nude celeb photos...lol. They will be looking to BlackBerry servers again... Just like Sony did after the North Korea fiasco. Samsung needed server end help for their KNOX system so anything similar would not happen.

Brought to you by an overpriced carrier.

Servers were hacked? Are you sure?

[vrud]

No need to hack anything. iMessage turns into plain text sms in some cases.

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[tchocky77]

Yes...there servers were hacked. Nude celeb photos...lol. They will be looking to BlackBerry servers again... Just like Sony did after the North Korea fiasco. Samsung needed server end help for their KNOX system so anything similar would not happen.

Brought to you by an overpriced carrier.

I don't think you know what "hacked" means.

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[tchocky77]

No need to hack anything. iMessage turns into plain text sms in some cases.

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That's SMS. Not iMessage.

Wow.

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[MarsupilamiX]

No need to hack anything. iMessage turns into plain text sms in some cases.

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Dumb question, but isn't it the other way round?
When Apple detects that a certain phone number also uses an Apple iPhone, they automatically upgrade SMS to iMessages.

[MarsupilamiX]

Yes...there servers were hacked. Nude celeb photos...lol. They will be looking to BlackBerry servers again... Just like Sony did after the North Korea fiasco. Samsung needed server end help for their KNOX system so anything similar would not happen.

Brought to you by an overpriced carrier.

Sony used some old BBOS devices on BIS, not BES and not BB10 IIRC.
Since their "inner fortress" was attacked, relying on their own servers for critical communications wasn't an option anymore.
Which would mean that a BB10 BES device wouldn't have helped them.

Apple's iMessage wasn't hacked either. That was iCloud.
Was it even hacked, or was it some form of social engineering, btw?